Rampage Out of Space

[BorgPicard]

Okay I am a tracker. Hard claim.
I tracked Tim n1, and he was the killer, but since a certain someone killed them that hot me nowhere.
I tracked myself n2 through time and space aka roleblocked. I targeted nanook
I tracked Dolby n3 and I learned his dark secret that he can somehow visit multiple people.
I tracked HK, got no movement.
This leads me to the conclusion that there is a garenteed mafia among Vro and Winston.

This can be made simpler if Winston votes me and then town can choose whether to face one mafia or one sk. If Winston votes me we can safely ignore them and maybe vote out Dolby leaving us with HK or Vro as possible mafia with laurentus or Csargo casting the deciding vote.

[hollowkatt]

No, wait, that literally doesn't make any sense. He wants to chop Borg. Never mind, brain fart. Winston/HK could be a thing, though.

with every post about teams today you're widening the potential poe and you're apparently living in a world now where I'm never town, even after yesterday you saying "hk you are town and you're not dying today".

What changed, why, and where's your work showing it?

[Winston Hughes]

Certainly could be a thing. Metas change, people improve.

Also worth noting that the scum are tantalisingly close to a win here.

[hollowkatt]

Well, @hollowkatt, if you're not scum or the SK, then where has my PoE gone wrong?

What is your POE right now? You've mentioned pretty much everyone that isn't you, csargo, and vro as possible bad guys. So dolby, winston, myself, borg right?

I'd say a poe of winston, dolby, borg isn't bad at all. That's functionally the poe I started the day with. Your posts thus far are making me question you, and if I question you likely I swap you and winston and see how that feels.

[hollowkatt]

Something to note here, although it should maybe have been obvious and I'm just having a slow morning for only realising it now: I think the Wolves are going to want to push for the SK to be lynched here.

And I've been thinking about how weird it is for us to be at LYLO. The only think that makes sense for why we need to chop scum is that the SK has a delayed kill, and has already chosen to target a Townie for the night. Therefore, even if we chop the SK the could would still be successful and come night, we'd lose 2 townies, putting us at parity with the Wolves.

Given that we are losing a Townie regardless, if we chop a Wolf, we still lose two townies, but then the distribution is 2:1:1 Town:Scum:SK for the last day.

Therefore, we as Town don't really have a choice but to treat the SK as Town today, and SK, whoever you are, if you want a chance at the win, you'll either have to get a Townie mischopped today (quickest route to victory), or take your chances with us today and help get a Wolf chopped, so you can get another chance at fooling Town in the next day phase.

it's 4-2-1 today. For town that means lylo because if we chop town today and wolves kill town tonight it's 2-2-1 and mafia have reached parity with town and we lose.
That's irrespective of what the SK does. If the SK hits a wolf then awesome, it's 2-1-1 and we still might lose to a draw vote and NK.

For us to win we must kill a wolf today and the more you talk about options and expanding the POE the less I think you're town

[Winston Hughes]

hk and borg feel like scum trying to catch up with a situation that's going south for them

and it's a valiant effort

just not very believable

[hollowkatt]

@Dolby @hollowkatt @BorgPicard

Suggest you all claim sk asap.

Least convincing gets chopped.

VT sorry

[hollowkatt]

Rereading the first 200 posts has not done much to support my hypothesis.

Borg/Tim being buddies is very plausible.

HK/Tim is less so, but I could still see it.

Borg/HK/Tim though? If so, I have no idea what the hell they were trying to do there.

if the team was borg hk tim tim doesn't die N1, that's for sure

[Winston Hughes]

if the team was borg hk tim tim doesn't die N1, that's for sure

why?

[Winston Hughes]

And why focus on Laurentus right now, when Borg's just made that claim?

[hollowkatt]

Lol, did HK just out as well?

yeah, as townie as fuck

[Winston Hughes]

Feeling more positive about my Dolby hypothesis now, L?

[Laurentus]

you have two bad posts today. The first bad post is the one where you tell everyone to take what I'm saying with a massive dose of salt.
I said yesterday when people started floating theories that I'm bad (mafia or SK didn't matter) that yesterday was 100% the right day to chop me.
YOU yourself said "no HK, you are town and you are stuck here" and with extremely little analysis or thought you shift that read 180 degrees into "HK isn't blindly trusting me therefore he is a bad guy".

That's not how town should play lylo here. If anything you, as town, should be thankful that I'm taking my time and talking through possibilities and how I'm reading the thread so that we can all get on the same page, right?

Just because I'm saying of the semi-clears you could still be a wolf doesn't mean I'm wolfing here, it means I'm trying to ensure that the people we have as "cleared" are actually cleared.

Your second bad post is where you recap where every one wants to kill. Dolby has put me on his list of bad guys as well, and has for at least one phase, so for you to say he's not offering me up is wrong.

Finally, your post towards winston, saying "the more you talk the more I'm itching to policy you" stifles discussion, eliminates a voice from your consideration and for what? Nothing that I can see from you points towards Winston being a wolf or the SK here.

Talking about policy, even as a joke, in lylo is something town should never ever do.

You... realise that reads changing are a thing, don't you? I was also SRing Csargo until we scanned him and found he was inno. That, coupled with everything I outlined in my first post, let me put you in my PoE - again, in my very first post. To claim lack of progression is a horrifyingly bad take from you.

As to your second paragraph, I have seen it time and time again that when scum gets cornered, they latch onto the unlikeliest of worlds in order to try and get the heat off them, and with you being in my PoE, your tinfoiling of me came across as exactly that.

As to your Dolby point, do you think I'm swayed by him offering you up at some point in the past? I asked him how my Winston and Vro reads could be wrong, and he couldn't answer at that point. Instead he said he was not going to try and argue against my Winston read and Vro looked really towny, too. So just by process of elimination, since he needs to remove one of them from the town world in order take their place in it, I took his "but Vro looks so towny, ugh" as a sign that he was reluctantly choosing to question Vro's alignment there. I also don't have perfect memory of everyone and who they've scum read at all points in the game.

And then on to the Winston one, I was getting agitated by his tin-foily nonsense for the same reason I got agitated by your tin-foily nonsense.

[hollowkatt]

Okay I am a tracker. Hard claim.
I tracked Tim n1, and he was the killer, but since a certain someone killed them that hot me nowhere.
I tracked myself n2 through time and space aka roleblocked. I targeted nanook
I tracked Dolby n3 and I learned his dark secret that he can somehow visit multiple people.
I tracked HK, got no movement.
This leads me to the conclusion that there is a garenteed mafia among Vro and Winston.

This can be made simpler if Winston votes me and then town can choose whether to face one mafia or one sk. If Winston votes me we can safely ignore them and maybe vote out Dolby leaving us with HK or Vro as possible mafia with laurentus or Csargo casting the deciding vote.

I don't not buy this.

Ok, we have today the following alive people:
hk
borg
winston
csargo
laurentus
vro
dolby

csargo is unimpeachable as town via pzelda and the monty N4 writeup yeah?
So that leaves us with the following
hk
borg
winston
laurentus
vro
dolby

THERE ARE 3 BAD GUYS IN THAT GROUP OF 6
We have literally a 50/50 shot of picking a name at random and hitting a bad guy. We need to hit a wolf today so the math is somewhat different and I'm bad at probabilities but my point is this: I know I am town, so removing myself from the pool means that in the set of {borg, winston, laurentus, vro, dolby} there are three bad guys.

IF laurentus is town and correctly clears vro via the derp the right and proper POE is winston, dolby, borg.
That's what my post earlier was saying and that's apparently something Laurentus takes umbrage with?
I wanted feedback on that post, not "hk has to be a bad guy for making it" feedback either lol


If Borg is telling the truth here and he is town tracker (you'll notice he didn't claim town tracker tho just tracker) then one of laurentus/vro MUST be a wolf.

[hollowkatt]

hk and borg feel like scum trying to catch up with a situation that's going south for them

and it's a valiant effort

just not very believable

I am shocked and offended my good sir.

[Laurentus]

with every post about teams today you're widening the potential poe and you're apparently living in a world now where I'm never town, even after yesterday you saying "hk you are town and you're not dying today".

What changed, why, and where's your work showing it?

I wanted to call in the Voltron on Dolby early exactly because the longer this shit show goes on, the more room there would be to start getting paranoid.

[hollowkatt]

why?

if I'm wolf with Tim I can give him opportunities to become differently read to dodge SK. I can also provide a better target for the SK should D1 start going badly for the wolf team and leave Tim, the objectively better wolf, alive for end game.

[Winston Hughes]

I am shocked and offended my good sir.

we can still be friends

at least until we've chopped your scumbuddy Borg

[hollowkatt]

And why focus on Laurentus right now, when Borg's just made that claim?

cause I hadn't gotten to the claim yet?

[Laurentus]

I don't not buy this.

Ok, we have today the following alive people:
hk
borg
winston
csargo
laurentus
vro
dolby

csargo is unimpeachable as town via pzelda and the monty N4 writeup yeah?
So that leaves us with the following
hk
borg
winston
laurentus
vro
dolby

THERE ARE 3 BAD GUYS IN THAT GROUP OF 6
We have literally a 50/50 shot of picking a name at random and hitting a bad guy. We need to hit a wolf today so the math is somewhat different and I'm bad at probabilities but my point is this: I know I am town, so removing myself from the pool means that in the set of {borg, winston, laurentus, vro, dolby} there are three bad guys.

IF laurentus is town and correctly clears vro via the derp the right and proper POE is winston, dolby, borg.
That's what my post earlier was saying and that's apparently something Laurentus takes umbrage with?
I wanted feedback on that post, not "hk has to be a bad guy for making it" feedback either lol


If Borg is telling the truth here and he is town tracker (you'll notice he didn't claim town tracker tho just tracker) then one of laurentus/vro MUST be a wolf.

Okay, so one thing that is a bit awkward which I'm not seeing you address here yet: why the hell would I openly acknowledge that I paired up with Zelda and helped him scan Csargo? Because that makes Csargo a 100% scan, and the last thing I want as a Wolf is any confirmed townies at LYLO.

[hollowkatt]

You... realise that reads changing are a thing, don't you? I was also SRing Csargo until we scanned him and found he was inno. That, coupled with everything I outlined in my first post, let me put you in my PoE - again, in my very first post. To claim lack of progression is a horrifyingly bad take from you.

As to your second paragraph, I have seen it time and time again that when scum gets cornered, they latch onto the unlikeliest of worlds in order to try and get the heat off them, and with you being in my PoE, your tinfoiling of me came across as exactly that.

As to your Dolby point, do you think I'm swayed by him offering you up at some point in the past? I asked him how my Winston and Vro reads could be wrong, and he couldn't answer at that point. Instead he said he was not going to try and argue against my Winston read and Vro looked really towny, too. So just by process of elimination, since he needs to remove one of them from the town world in order take their place in it, I took his "but Vro looks so towny, ugh" as a sign that he was reluctantly choosing to question Vro's alignment there. I also don't have perfect memory of everyone and who they've scum read at all points in the game.

And then on to the Winston one, I was getting agitated by his tin-foily nonsense for the same reason I got agitated by your tin-foily nonsense.

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

[Winston Hughes]

if I'm wolf with Tim I can give him opportunities to become differently read to dodge SK. I can also provide a better target for the SK should D1 start going badly for the wolf team and leave Tim, the objectively better wolf, alive for end game.

That's pretty flimsy, I'm afraid.

An sk is always a wildcard.

You can't get into layers on that, especially on d1.

Also to note that the flavour suggests Tim's role was the disposable one out of the three.

[Vroendal]

[CENTER]Night One
Timsup2nothin has died! He was a

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Bionic Operator.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Bionic Operator

You are a Goon (Mafia). The Mafia choose someone to kill at night. Kills are factional, and therefore not assigned (will not interfere with individual abilities). You win when BAKEMONO is slain and parity is met with Town, meaning Town cannot prevent your victory by numbers.

[REDACTED]

Borg's lying. Re-reading the flavor and flips is actually incredibly helpful.

He shouldn't be a tracker and there's no way he tracked Tim, the wolf kills are factional according to Tim's flip.

Vote: BorgPicard

[hollowkatt]

we can still be friends

at least until we've chopped your scumbuddy Borg

would you be so kind as to give some feedback on 1904 please?

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

Oh my god, wow, this take...

I don't know how to tell you this, but Ive been saying you're the SK the whole damn day. And I specifically said we *shouldn't* chop the SK and in fact treat it as Town for voting purposes.

[Winston Hughes]

Thinking about the whole set-up, I don't believe Monty put a town tracker in it, and I suspect that the Infiltrator and the Wolf were the roles that needed pzelda's check to be backed up by another player to get a guilty result.

What the boss bionic can do, I have no idea, and feel disinclined to speculate.

[Vroendal]

Winstons's town, nice.

[hollowkatt]

Okay, so one thing that is a bit awkward which I'm not seeing you address here yet: why the hell would I openly acknowledge that I paired up with Zelda and helped him scan Csargo? Because that makes Csargo a 100% scan, and the last thing I want as a Wolf is any confirmed townies at LYLO.

that's a decent point. the answer would be who's listening to csargo?
but sure, lets go back to the world at the beginning of the day
csargo is clear
you clear vro
pzelda clears you

that means 3 bad guys in {hk, dolby, winston, borg} right?
one of those will be town, one will be SK, the other two will be wolf.
All we have to do then is hit the 50/50 on the wolf, right?

For me the best shot there is dolby.

[Winston Hughes]

would you be so kind as to give some feedback on 1904 please?

Feels like you're trying to spread the poe,

I mean, you're really good at posting in a voice that sounds townie.

But I'm not feeling those good vibes from your actual process now that we reach the business end of things.

[hollowkatt]

Oh my god, wow, this take...

I don't know how to tell you this, but Ive been saying you're the SK the whole damn day. And I specifically said we *shouldn't* chop the SK and in fact treat it as Town for voting purposes.

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.