Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[katze]

reading through Gira games, feeling a little drained for no reason so ima just read some of those and be inactive til later

[Dobby]

You're just doing this to be top poster

But I giggled

[katze]

the short answer is probably he just did crazy things to mess with us and futz up associations and reading into it too deeply is going to drain your sanity meter

i think "why would he do it to a villager" has a much more obvious answer tho (he doesnt care who goes over)

[katze]

You're just doing this to be top poster

But I giggled

not really i was just opening capes iso and saw that was the last post :wowee:

(i dont actually know if i have a read on that being his last post tbh? idk i guess it depends how/if he comes back)

[katze]

vote: cape

to be perfectly honest i'm not too sure if this is the answer. but reading today... dobby is probably right that we kinda have to do this. unless cape comes in and posts his heart out in the next 5(?) hours then i don't think he ever doesn't get voted in F3 and his posting today isn't exaaaaactly selling me.

if this is wrong im probably not dying tonight because #TheFear but if i do then disregard all of my reads glgl

[Sleep]

probly not going to be actively f5ing but should be here a few hours before EOD

i have run around in a circle and am okay with our direction for today

and if its wrong and it goes to f3 i welcome it with open arms

[katze]

i hate how calm you are about that

this isn't a read just. im hella uncertain and absolutely not welcoming a F3, lmao.

[Sleep]

i hate how calm you are about that

this isn't a read just. im hella uncertain and absolutely not welcoming a F3, lmao.

i felt that way and the start of the phase

and then i realized none of this matters

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 3 (Dobby, Sleep, katze)

[hollowkatt]

probs if F3 is me, dobby, x I'm windmill slamming a vote on dobby and closing the browser.

[hollowkatt]

vote: cape
god I hope this is a hit.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 4 (Dobby, Sleep, katze, hollowkatt)

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[katze]

[Cape90]

So Sleep feels like they are kinda just in their own world this game which doesn't fit their mafia games I think. That also reminds me of their sunya hydra game thing.

[Cape90]

Okay as a note about what I said about not wanting to get bomb, it was because I already had my moment in the katze hosted game

[Cape90]

I think it's now HK and not katze mostly becasue the effort kinda hasn't been there for me compared to everybody else this game

Vote: Hollowkatt

Final 3, I urge you to just vote here.

[Cape90]

oh this problem will be pretty bad in final 3, so I suggest me die now as bad as that sounds, I am gonna point you in the right direction which is HK very likely. If somebody can actually find holes in Sleep's game this game, I will be very impressed

[Cape90]

probs if F3 is me, dobby, x I'm windmill slamming a vote on dobby and closing the browser.

LMAO no what?

[Cape90]

Problem with this game is like, nobody is casing anybody that isn't katze/me/hk lmao

you know what

I will just try to do that myself.

[Cape90]

Thing about Dobby!mafia is that they have kinda conf!biased themselves on me, even yesterday and I find that slightly towny as they haven't been all drifty like... literally everyone else. However, because of this it kinda makes them the I suppose "odd one out". Though this leads to the question "why would mafia Dobby want to stick out like a sore thumb vs everyone else?"

[Sleep]

Problem with this game is like, nobody is casing anybody that isn't katze/me/hk lmao

you know what

I will just try to do that myself.

okay

[Cape90]

Hi

I'm sorry I was sadgeing yesterday it just felt like game shouldn't be this complicated rn and clear indication that it won't be getting easier.


What has happened now is that yeah everyone is a valid alternative and I'm not gonna say that I really wanted exactly this not to happen but uh yeah what's done is done i guess

I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape, I feel like I was very thorough yesterday looking into cape/cuth /katze. I did not however look into hk and sleep properly except for like single comments but I guess I need to do that today even though I really didn't want to.

It's just kinda weeeeeh that we had a few people that a lot of smart people agreed should be the poe, and the more of them have died, the more we forget about this, and now we might take 2 of those into f3 and I feel like the reevaluation slash rereading that has just "started" could've been done a week ago and this wouldn't be the situation


I'm probably also just being mean and salty about it and it's not meant personally at all, its still a fun game and you're all great people, I just want to like, win tbh

I have mixed opinions on Dobby posts like this

Like again, Dobby's worldview has been fairly static, fairly set on me. Now here Dobby is complaining about how "everything is so complicated, weh", when to me, Dobby presented a pretty clear reason to think that it's me via some interaction with mafia I guess.

That doesn't sound that complicated to me. Dobby says themselves that

I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape

Which would pretty literally solidify Dobby voting me. So what's the problem?

The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)

[Cape90]

Dobby was suspecting katze after Mont died

derp

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 4 (Dobby, Sleep, katze, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 1 (Cape90)

[Cape90]

idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to

1) first only read ender's d1 posts

2) read how he talks to, and about katze

3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)

4) read how he talks to, and about cape


that's the key to this

he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.

I think this post pairs interestingly with my flip and IDK what it means for katze

[Cape90]

I seem to be the only one that thinks its kind of a 50/50 here in likelihood between cuth and cape, everyone else is kinda certain and it doesn't make sense to me tbqh based on what I've read from them etc. I genuinely think capes activity today is the reason for most of it rather than actual content but that might just be my brain saying stuff

[Cape90]

Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender

okay okay

this could be a yikes

[Cape90]

Im watching a movie but kwep thinking about this game
@Sleep you say you read capes iso and don't see how he's wolf

I say, read his interactions with the woofs, and read katze/cuth interactions. Specifically with ender. I quoted a lot of those relevant posts and some thoughts on them. You can't just watch his posts in isolation, that's not super useful atp.

I don't mind a cuth vote either because yeah I wrote why a few times but I think cape is the hit

Unvote: Hollowkatt

GDI now im paranoid this could just be mafia. Maybe I am just laughably bad at getting experianced wolf. If I was wolf, I would be very caught and obvious by now, ask katze

[Cape90]

i lied im lurking

but yeah this post about kat was the post before that readslist (also i thought this was a 15er so someone else is prolly missing too)


yeah this other post im quoting exists too and i only read sleep there but youre in it too so my b (but its still the same read that ive pointed out a few times)

in the quoted, Ender also treats me like town

On the other hand, I have reasons to believe this might be Cape's towngame. Or at least that he does several of the things he's being poked about as both alignments. I recently sussed them hard for a similar game and they were green that game.

curious

[Cape90]

okay i think i got what i wanted out of that


rask is my top town

i had a few points pro sleep in my reread of day 1 but i think ive been the most lenient towards sleep so if in f3 situation id dive deep into their iso again and stuff, but not until then.

hollowkatt probably just town but will be in f3 (get rekt son)

katze looks decent actually from how theyve approached the day, has a big focus on newcomb and the interactions just seem to be like, digging into stuff in a genuine way. ender interactions really looks like ender tries to pocket kat with focus on persuading kat of stuff in situations that dont make sense for a w/w pairing. but also #thefear


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i think enders parked vote on cape d2 can legit be a oh no i voted a teammate up for contention and if i change my vote itll be obvious.

i think ender's comment in his readslist on cuth is actually a good look for cuth.


but cuths vote on ladd d1 can definitely be a wolf vote since, it was vote nr 2 and then ladd got 3 votes last minute. but ladd was pr so hm weh.


cuth has some wolfy posts slash some hmthonk opinions early on especially in hindsight with the flips. cuth played it really similarly to the haunted by slep game that i linked, where theres a "doomed teammate" but ladd was less so than mr i feel like, maybe.

cape just, looks by far the worst with the flipped wolf interactions though.

i do agree with some others that cape posting in bursts is a decent look, but honestly something ive done as well to avoid wolffatigue. theres also a readslist that looks alright but i think in hindsight i dont want to give it too much cred since ender was always the deep one among those 3

and the thing where ender wrote a list of 14 names and cape was the one missing is.... weh lol weh lol weh



I am very doubtful i'll vote someone other than cape today. if it's not cape it's cuth


if it's neither have fun in f3


Vote: Cape90

Just noticed that sleep isn't on this list