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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    i will do research largely to entertain the curiosity of my idle mind


    i can try to put to words my feelings about hk like i should have done yesterday


    or i can regale you with my boomer tales of how i went 5/5 in f3/f4 as mafia back in 2012
    if you're asking my opinion i'd prefer the middle one, because

    while cape died with suspicions on HK and confidence in you being a villager, something i am considering and part of me wants to sheep blindly, i uh. i don't know if i fully see it. i voted HK at EoD because i thought capes last minute was bleeding village and i would have held that in a theoretical F3 but if cape revealed as IC at SoD yesterday id probably have wanted to kill you over HK which is where im stuck rn

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    man hk played a pretty sick game in f5 back in season 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    if you're asking my opinion i'd prefer the middle one, because

    while cape died with suspicions on HK and confidence in you being a villager, something i am considering and part of me wants to sheep blindly, i uh. i don't know if i fully see it. i voted HK at EoD because i thought capes last minute was bleeding village and i would have held that in a theoretical F3 but if cape revealed as IC at SoD yesterday id probably have wanted to kill you over HK which is where im stuck rn
    okay lemme get to it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    this is guaranteed to bite me in the ass but katze has too many votes too quickly and therefore is town.
    Ender otoh is not.
    vote: ender
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
    I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
    If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

    The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



    And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
    So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

    and yeah I'm being serious
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    in my defense I have not read the setup at all but judging by this reaction my idea is stupid af.
    gonna go back to killing ender then, I think they could use some "hey do something townie" pressure

    vote: ender
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    Suddenly there are pages.
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    Hi Ender are you town?
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Yes.

    interactions between ender/hk, part 1

    (no spoiler tags, this is lylo baby you get to drink from the firehose)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    I just want it said I don't like this post.
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    I'm going to point out that last time I was actually wolf with you (Hello remember when I literally cased you and got you voted out and I was red?) I was townread and no one thought I was struggling to get into thread.

    This honestly feels a VERY weird take on me given that the game I'm talking about was the last time HK and I played together. For him to seriously believe I would struggle to get my groove on as wolf is...

    Kinda honestly wolfy.
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    I don't believe you
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    Well shucks.
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    ok, so what gives then? Why does it seem like this game is harder to get into for you?
    If you're villager shitposting and tossing off ideas should be fairly straightforward.

    The unspoken part of that read I made on you is that this player list is vastly different than that player list and I also did say I was ego solving there and I would struggle as wolf to get established in this list.

    You dumpstered me last game, hard, and of course I'm going to be wary of you in this game because of that.

    Go be town and do townie things and I'll call you town. Till then I won't.
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    ikr, soz.

    outside of me who else do you think is sus? maybe we can talk and I'll change my mind.
    in particular, note how soft the language they use is. do these people really want to push on each other? i do not think they do

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    another question for the class

    do you think that my vote on HK at the end of D5 is alignment indicative? which direction? why or why not?




    (ill read all of this when you're done with it, gira, will probably be out for a bit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    I was having fun memeing at the start so unless you're talking about the sharp gear change on ben idk what you're talking about harder to get into.
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    Uh lemme parse my thoughts into lists.

    I dislike Ladd's treatment of me particularly. The read on me (The whole "Backwards quoting" thing) feels entirely forced and also liiiike, unrealistic.

    Raskol is obvious scum because of his lack of posts.

    Sunbae I was leaning townish but the whole Monstr/Cuth read feels like he realised he fucked up and backed up. Pending explanation that makes my brain do the good wobly jelly I'm going to stare at him.

    Monstr feels weaksauce.

    I was townreading Cape but the whole Sleep thing is making me wonder.
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    maybe it was that I didn't think your memes were funny.
    Your first 10 or so posts are the ones I felt were "off", and that off-ness I read as "difficulty trying to get into the game"

    After that you do improve so meh
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    cool I can work with that.

    Ok, I think sunbae is town. I think I might be the only person who thinks that but i found their early game posting very free flowing and natural. His early posts regarding the suicide bomber felt townie to me in terms of "lets do something bombastic and then relax in dvc for the rest of the game" vs "do the hard work of solving, staying alive, and pushing people".

    I get that can also be read as wolfy, I think it's not though.
    I also like, and jibe with, the "shield dobby d1" post he made for basically the reasons he articulated. Dobby can be super strong but also can just kinda fold to early pressure even as town, and if dobby is town he'd be an asset for sure (not like this is saying much, the entire thread is an asset tbh).

    even if sunbae is wrong here:

    it doesn't mean it's not a town way of thinking about things. If sun was doing hard pushes on cape maybe I'd have a different opinion but this reads like a "hey I noticed a thing, anyone else notice a thing" more than a hard push.

    I officially rescind my N0 red on Raskol and want to keep him alive for today. I think he's a super easy push for later today b/c he's not posted and he'll likely struggle to catch up if/when he does start posting, but being absent is not a wolf tell for Raskol.
    Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though. Just fyi.

    I have no read on Ladd but probably should come up with something. Cuth I think can be town, Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.
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    Well.

    I found me funny.
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    yeah to me they read as more forced content than anything else. I'm not sure if that's just me being weird or ender being weird. My discussions with ender though recently have given me more of a good feeling about him than his earlier posting did so maybe call him null/lean town instead of 'lets kill'
    so, he backs off very easily here despite them both calling each other wolves earlier. it's a similar structure to how ladd and ender were talking about each other on day 1. theres no weight behind them pushing each other.

    i think if you contrast this with how ladd was pushing me and i was very clearly getting in his face about his cape read (because in my mind i thought they might be teammates), its very clear the level of aggression is really entirely different. ender i was wrong on, but now reading back to the early game i think its clear he was buddying up to me from day 1. i think the interactions with me are just more complicaed, less likely to be staged, where hollowkatt had a pretty basic "slapfight with your partner for 5 minutes and then back off" type of interaction

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    katze, I will be honest: if you are town I do not know what your hangup is that is keeping you from finding me as town

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    another question for the class

    do you think that my vote on HK at the end of D5 is alignment indicative? which direction? why or why not?




    (ill read all of this when you're done with it, gira, will probably be out for a bit)
    no because i think it is either town panic or you emulating that and i think you are plenty capable

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    doing stuff in this thread but also getting distracted by tabbing to see how hollowkatt plays


    i'm not gonna go over the dobby stuff again because that's twisty and while the way he pushed him was bad i don't think i can claim confidently it's wolfy

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
    I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

    This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
    I think they're just town.

    Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.
    i want to bring this up again

    look at this read on newcomb

    what is it actually saying?

    he's accusing newcomb of being/defensive/piocketing. he doesn't have any actual examples. it doesn't explain what he's doing or why it makes him a wolf. it's vague handwavey nonsense.

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    and in mentioning "solving fatigue" i feel like that is an exact description of your play the last few days, hollowkatt

    where i have basically been manic in restlessly combing over the thread for new information

    i guess what im having a hard time seeing is someone being this lax in this spot as town
    Sure that checks out. I'd counter with this though: Do you feel any more confident in your solve after spending all that energy reviewing the thread and looking for more information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Katze is competent sure. I have spent the last 20 minutes reading through their MU wolf games both on Katze and their turbo alt and I'm rock solid confident in this read now. As wolf katze is more likely to use self-depreciating humor, is more likely to crack jokes instead of solving, and is more likely to run the game on "shitpost" mode for lack of better terms than they are as town.

    I did not say polarized btw, I said I think there's enough of a difference to call that out and make a read based on it.

    It is a duality for me. Katze feels obvs town, newcomb does not feel obvs town. If my post reflects that it's because that's what I'm thinking.

    I started your ISO with the intention of finding good stuff. The reason that didn't continue is because I wasn't finding more good stuff. I didn't go into your ISO with the intent to paint you as poorly as possible, that just happened
    i feel like you might be getting pocketed by this read on you because you just wanted someone to confidently state you were a villager and not that they were afraid of you? but really this read doesnt make sense at all: how would anyone be confident after 20 minutes of research on someone lauded for their wolfing skills that they have a handle on this persons meta and can discern the differences in their alignment? it doesnt really make sense. i wrote it off at the time as a townie being wack but with hindsight its just bizarre. if im actually meta reading someone who isnt a completely raw newbie it takes me hours to do so

    and i think the level of confidence hollowkatt has displayed in his townreads is more indicatvie of someone who knows people are town and can find excuses to justify that. if you look at all the dead townies, they were paranoid. you have been paranoid, and so have i. that doesnt really come through in hks posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Sure that checks out. I'd counter with this though: Do you feel any more confident in your solve after spending all that energy reviewing the thread and looking for more information?
    yeah, enough that i would have voted when i did even if there was a hammer

    but what does my confidence in my read have to do with difficulty faking solving as a wolf as the game goes on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    im trying to process like

    cause one of you is mafia and one is town, ldo


    You both came into today with pretty opposite views on dobby

    so obviously like - i thought dobby was gonna die. im town. therefore the person who also thought obby would die is town! wowee

    (yes i know its not that simple)

    (but i still think HKs view of that is weird and im trying to decipher if it's an absurd villager thought or not)
    I took out the performative/obligatory words from your post.

    Basically I'm trying to see/understand if the rest of your post makes sense without them.
    Of course from the perspective of Town Katze one of Sleep and myself are the last wolf.

    Sleep thinking dobby = town and HK thinking dobby could be last wolf, and I probably vote him today if it's me, dobby, katze. Me, dobby, sleep though I'm not positive.

    I know why I'm here, to make the wrong decision. Which makes me think it's Katze b/c of how consistently I've been calling them town and calling Sleep a blindspot / unknown.

    But perhaps Sleep is relying on me looking wolfy enough, or able to be painted wolfy enough that katze will go along.

    So I'm left with this: Am I wrong on Katze or is my radar not pinging on Sleep indicative that they're really just kinda "here" throughout the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    if we're gonna do that we might as well chop me so that dobby has to make a different call. Otherwise we'll chop town today, you'll vest dobby, he'll blow me up, I'll flip town. Dobby might flip town idk, but we'll for sure be down 1x town we didn't need to be down.
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    No, here's what I'm trying to say:

    sunbae said if we chop town he's contemplating giving you the vest to blow someone up. It's pretty clear to me that I'm the person you'd most want to explode, which is fine I get it.
    But if that's the plan then chop me today as the "townie" that dies to give you the vest so that you have to blow someone else up.

    Basically it's like this:

    I know I'm POE and I know I'm likely not posting out of it. That's fine. Instead of continually saying "we really ought to look into HK" resolve me today. Then give you the vest tonight. Make a good decision.

    We're currently very far ahead and the mafia have no extra KP after Ladd was chopped. We have time to make mistakes/clear POE via killing them.

    It's like MtG, as long as at the end of the day we're +2 on the wolves it doesn't matter how many townies are actually alive, we're still winning this game. Town bodies dying are irrelevant to actually winning the game. We know who the PR are, they're the designated NKs yeah?

    That leaves us in the POE to either resolve ourselves or get resolved. It's not "oh woe is me" it's an antiseptic way of reducing possibilities and guiding us towards a mathematical lock on winning the game.

    I guess it doesn't matter if I'm the chop today if you promise to blow me up tomorrow
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    I'm a bad vest target b/c I have zero impulse control.
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    like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
    I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.

    That's the line of thinking that got me there.
    okay, so, i will open up off the bat by saying: these are good posts. i thought they were towny when they were posted. i will remind you of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?
    a post which also fooled me.


    what these posts offer is he portrait of towny self-sacrifice. what they are not is posts that are actually solving anything.

    in other words, they are posts designed to be townread. they are fakeable. there isnt actual analysis content in them. (tbf both of you have said something to the effect of "just chop me" this game)

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    yeah, enough that i would have voted when i did even if there was a hammer

    but what does my confidence in my read have to do with difficulty faking solving as a wolf as the game goes on?
    nothing really. I find myself getting more and more torn/paranoid about my choices after doing lots of research in situations like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Wanna chop monte instead?
    vote: Montmorency
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    honestly same. I like today dobby a lot more than I liked ISO dobby
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    yeah, I don't think you're a wolf tbh
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    I'm bad at photochop but pretend I took the planet fitness logo and re-wrote it so that it says "iawy slander-free zone" instead of judgement free zone
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    I think there's a valid argument to be made about not wanting to completely out what "best strategy" might be here b/c outing that would allow wolves to attempt to play around it. But I wanted to signal to the PRs that I have been thinking about how this could play out in a town advantageous way
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    Hey Monte! How do you get to min one wolf in that set of three players? If it's in your ISO somewhere just say that and I'll go find it.
    heres some quotes from hk following where he backs off on dobby on day 2

    so far, theres no real analysis in these posts: he proposes an alternate vote, makes nice with dobby, talks vaguely about strategy, and asks montmorency a question

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    Wanna chop monte instead?
    vote: Montmorency
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    honestly same. I like today dobby a lot more than I liked ISO dobby
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    yeah, I don't think you're a wolf tbh
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    I'm bad at photochop but pretend I took the planet fitness logo and re-wrote it so that it says "iawy slander-free zone" instead of judgement free zone
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    I think there's a valid argument to be made about not wanting to completely out what "best strategy" might be here b/c outing that would allow wolves to attempt to play around it. But I wanted to signal to the PRs that I have been thinking about how this could play out in a town advantageous way
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    Hey Monte! How do you get to min one wolf in that set of three players? If it's in your ISO somewhere just say that and I'll go find it.
    well, likewise, which is why i wanted to vote fast and end the day early

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    ffs multiquote

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    nothing really. I find myself getting more and more torn/paranoid about my choices after doing lots of research in situations like this.
    well, likewise, which is why i wanted to vote fast and end the day early

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    I'm re-reading the run up to the end of D1. Nothing fun to talk about yet but the wagon formations are super fun to watch happen now that it's not crunch time.
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    Then Cuth nude votes Ladd
    which is interesting b/c Cuth was on Winston, then joins Winston on Ladd. Have to find out if the Cuth Winston vote was legit or just hanging out.

    Was not just hanging out... kinda low key hate this sequence tbh




    Winston keeps stumping for Ladd votes

    Rask flips off of Cuth onto Sunbae

    neb flips off of nobody on to Rask

    Katze flips off of nobody onto Newcomb

    sleep flips off of newcomb into Ladd

    dobby flips off of HK onto Rask

    sleep flips off of ladd back to newcomb

    monte flips from raskol to ladd

    Raskol flips from sunbae to Ladd

    This ends the day.

    Then Monte posts "oh crap what sthe tally"

    Neb posts again

    katze posts -- this is the first post "POST" deadline

    dobby says I don't want either of ladd newc but if I have to choose it's ladd

    rask says "sorry I didn't want to"

    monte tries to unvote

    visor yells at everyone to stop posting.


    UGH I WANNA WOLF READ CUTH SO BAD FOR THIS

    fuck it
    vote: cuthillius

    I went through the Winston ISO looking for ladd suspicions. The first is just a naked vote. Then winston says this:


    Then he votes Ladd again and cuth makes the above set of posts, then finally joins winston on the ladd wagon for what appears to be reasons I can't fathom.

    I looked through Cuths ISO as well and see mostly Ladd V reads there, very little in terms of "could ladd be wolf" until the vote happens

    Like this is the closest ladd post cuth makes before the post I quoted at the top of this post


    yeah, cuth absolutely can be a wolf here and the ladd vote was advantageous positioning for him here even though it would mean losing wolf PR.
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    I can't not comment on it though.

    Ok, so Monstr didn't have horrible positioning at that time of the game, he was mildly suspect from a few people but not like "omg guys it's always monstr get him" and the way he flipped his tone makes me think that he felt very unhappy that he was being suspected and that he felt his pack was selling him out.
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    I was on dobby for a while, but I flipped my read and now think he's obvs town. Would prefer you not actually be there tbh
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    all jokes aside how tf are you on that list?
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    I think I like cape for town too
    this is the stuff that happens after that

    and this is what i would define as "spinning his wheels" - the EOD1 stuff is big and fancy and looks productive but doesnt actually say much - the read ion cuth is ultimately one i came to at the same time but. its kinda bad reasoning. and thats all he actually has. and hes displaying confidence in his townreads yet at that point in time still isnt really strongly looking for scum anywhere

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    ffs multiquote



    well, likewise, which is why i wanted to vote fast and end the day early
    and, like, if im wrong im confbiasing on u right now


    which makes it hard because i dont realistically have a way to get a more confident read on katze

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    what does it mean that the top two wagons are voting for the third highest wagon
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    I looked to see if they'd been circling each other longer than just this brief period and no, they haven't, which would be indicative that they're both town, not both wolves and not one wolf one town.

    I think we're staring down T/T wagons
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    Neither of them feel like a wolf trying to shadow/take advantage of the other in terms of who's being pushed or chopped.
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    I think he's not v but sure
    let it rand
    vote: newcomb
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    hks EOD2 posts


    ask urself: if he really believed these were T/T wagons: why did he not try to influence anything more strongly? why did he just sit back and follow the newcomb wagon? just looks like a tmi read for the sake of being "correct"

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    katze, I will be honest: if you are town I do not know what your hangup is that is keeping you from finding me as town
    i see you've never played with me outside of turbos :p

    im either really confident or insanely hedgey and earlier i was really confident in HK V and now im like (insert joycat here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    i feel like you might be getting pocketed by this read on you because you just wanted someone to confidently state you were a villager and not that they were afraid of you? but really this read doesnt make sense at all: how would anyone be confident after 20 minutes of research on someone lauded for their wolfing skills that they have a handle on this persons meta and can discern the differences in their alignment? it doesnt really make sense. i wrote it off at the time as a townie being wack but with hindsight its just bizarre. if im actually meta reading someone who isnt a completely raw newbie it takes me hours to do so

    and i think the level of confidence hollowkatt has displayed in his townreads is more indicatvie of someone who knows people are town and can find excuses to justify that. if you look at all the dead townies, they were paranoid. you have been paranoid, and so have i. that doesnt really come through in hks posting
    it's definitely pocketed me somewhat. im definitely not used to wolves townreading me like that.

    although i type that and im p sure both wolves who've actually played the game townread me quite a bit so maybe the wolves decided that they'd just TMI me V and hope it got me MLed somewhere along the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    another question for the class

    do you think that my vote on HK at the end of D5 is alignment indicative? which direction? why or why not?




    (ill read all of this when you're done with it, gira, will probably be out for a bit)
    HK can you answer this

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    gg ender plx be town so I don't look dumb for not trying harder to kill you D1
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    tbh the longer ender goes without bombing the more I town read him
    like if I were wolf here with a vest I'd probably thrown down a shitpost or two and then blow up the pr and call it a day
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    GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I WAS RIGHT
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    anyways GG ender GG sunbae, may DVC be kind to you
    revisiting the reaction to the ender bombing the lime about town eading him here is like, so bizarre and forced sounding? like who tf cares about giving a read on the guy with the vest?

    and then the reaction - it just looks fake. hollowkatt only weakly pushed ender in early day 1. it doesnt look like the reaction of a villager who had a correct read and backed off it. theres no pain. its an attempted credgrab. i got caught on something similar in a game when i tried to claim i was unaligned with my partner when i'd only voted them and posted 1 line while making no effort to actually get them chopped

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    gg ender plx be town so I don't look dumb for not trying harder to kill you D1
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    tbh the longer ender goes without bombing the more I town read him
    like if I were wolf here with a vest I'd probably thrown down a shitpost or two and then blow up the pr and call it a day
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    GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I WAS RIGHT
    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    i see you've never played with me outside of turbos :p

    im either really confident or insanely hedgey and earlier i was really confident in HK V and now im like (insert joycat here)
    right, being unconfident is understandable. i get that thats ur playstyle and being unconfident in the spot we are in is pretty normal, as someone who is in f3 a lot. anyone who says they arent unconfident in this spot is lying or a weirdo.


    but that isnt specifically what i was asking you about. i was asking you about your read on me. i am asking you what has you so paranoid of me starting today and yesterday. i am asking what has you considering the possibility i could be mafia.

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    lol this multiquote i apologize for these disasters i am spawning on the page but its easier for me to use that feature than manually copy/pasting every single thing i want to quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    HK can you answer this
    yeah, it felt squidgy.
    Like when you're in a lake yeah? and the bottom goes from sand to mud in one step and your toes do that instinctive curl up thing to hide from whatever is lurking in the muck.

    Like Cape was basically saying "it's HK and if it isn't HK it's katze"

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    Anyway, I guess I say good luck town, I could guess who is dying already, but im sure so can many others.

    I suppose this is where I depart, mostly I think it's HK because... who has been actually working and putting out content more then HK? Oh literally everybody? Oh even myself??? wowee

    such amazing reads have caught cuth and mont, i know god bless me. LMAO

    can wolves just like, be obvious in final 3 for me, that's my only request, just signal to me
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    ugh, this wolf is deep but it's obviously katze or HK
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    I would probs say katze
    and at the time it felt like you were casting a vote that would allow you to swap to me in F3.

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    speaking of unconfident the last time i was in f3 i got hammer instantly and still waited 6 days to hammer despite knowing what i wanted to do because the anxiety was so bad lmao.

    (i know this sounds like a terrible relationship with the game of mafia. i swear i am working to be better about it)

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