Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Raskolnikov]

Sup friendos. Gonna read

[Raskolnikov]

Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.

Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase

[Raskolnikov]

vote: taffy

[Visor]

Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.

Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase

Def 24 hour phase

If it was 48 I'd just post

[Raskolnikov]

Def 24 hour phase

If it was 48 I'd just post

You are playing a very insidious game here.

[EnderWiggin]

I would also just post in a 48.

I am just posting in a 24, but I would also do it in a 48. :3

[EnderWiggin]

Talk to me about your Taffy/Lantana read Raskol?

[Raskolnikov]

@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.

Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.

Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.

Now back to F1

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Lantana

I think that'll be my "Going to sleep" vote today.

Pressure go brrrrrrrrrrr

[Sunbae]

Well, to satisfy you until you can get one, I present my sister's bunny:
Attachment 25577

So cute!

Yeah, I came really close to getting one last year. Maybe a year and a half ago, idk time has lost all meaning. Went as far as calling in to one of those shelters that specialize in rabbits and talking with them about it. They told me all that was required - special foods, large spaces for them to hop around, specific vets that specialize in them, etc - and I got cold feet because I couldn't really manage all that in my current place. That's ok though, one day! I've already decided to get one (and a cat, and a dog) when I finally get a place of my own.

[Sunbae]

Current thoughts after catching up:

I'm trying to be a little more proactive this time around (my last game on MU was pretty much a non-factor and even if my reads were fine you could have replaced me with OPEN SLOT and nothing much would have changed).

Ender, Rask: I'd like to talk about the Lantana wolf reads because I've got a townread there. I thought the overnight posting once I went to sleep was fine so it's not just the bubbly/eager thing. The way they brushed off my villa read as a “won't always be bubbly but it's fine” instead of just taking and moving on felt right? If they are a wolf and trying to pocket me (which the whole villa read of me would be) I don't know why they'd be like that. Switching Visor from townread to wolf read citing Katze-given meta was understandable if that's what you've been told. The timing of the villa read and the shift make sense under those parameters. I did circle back thinking “oh maybe it shifted cause Visor started poking there and it's nefarious” but the change happened while Visor was talking to Insomnia about Taffy so I don't think there's anything to that? My current take is it's someone used to faster paced games and just bouncing around trying to find * something * to chat about.


Lantana: I don't think the meta you have on Visor is uh, accurate? I've always found him to be pretty self-aware regardless of alignment and I think his discussion of trying to just straighten out a misunderstanding is perfectly reasonable. I have a slight townread there for the “whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of” comment about Insomnia after the misunderstanding because I think it'd be a pretty easy sport for wolf!visor to either buddy up to or lightly shade Insomnia and picking neither just doesn't seem to have an agenda to me. With the knowledge that multiple people have told you the meta read there isn't how they would do it, where's your head at on the rest of their posting?

Ender: It being a snarky response clears that up for me, ty

Regarding Mischief: I think the explanation of wanting to just post immediately to show you'll be around on a new site makes sense. I have a slight town read there for not really forcing anything and openly saying they can't really determine much else at this point in the game. My view of villager!Mischief is one that is pretty careful about finding what reads/votes they have and not pressing the matter.

I got no real thoughts about Insomnia's stint, will wait to see what Taffy says upon return before I try to formulate anything there, and want to interact with Rask/Ender more before landing on anything there as well.

[Mischief]

vote: mischief

Is where I'm thinking rn

Sunbae seems fine for right now, realistically too early to make a confident v read on him with few posts but he has ticked the right boxes for now

I like Lantana trying to use meta from someone not in the game as an earnest attempt to get me killed, might be a bad read here but I'm taking a D1 gander that they are a villa

Ender had a bit of a wonky start but I also don't think he's tried to look villagery, so I'm also putting a D1 gander there

Taffy, well I'm probably not gonna kill a new player D1, needs to re enter for me to make a read any direction

Insomnia - not even info really to make a read on

Mischief - a slight thing, but the wording of some of his posts feel a little stilted, and his reads without much commenting on the posts in between nor posing many questions is a slight negative sign

So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw

As I write this, I'm reminded of ender constantly referring to meta to clear bluekang when we wolfed together, so it's interesting to see him try to clear me on meta (though seems to have less confidence than he did in that game and that's a good sign I think)

vote: Visor

Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.

Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.

[Sunbae]

Rask: meant to ask if you were referencing the "negative weight" thing regarding Insomnia shade

[Sunbae]

I'm unsure if my attempts to tighten up some play has resulted in me just not being in the flow or what, but I have like 3 townreads and they are all being voted or voting the others so I'm going to try and figure out if it's me and I need to reorient myself or if I need to try and talk through this with people.

[Mischief]

vote: Visor

Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.

Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.

Link to what I'm referencing: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...cd#post5948052

That post contains both the post in the second game (wolf) as well as the village PR game (as Finn Wolfhard), for anyone interested.
That is also my most recent wolf game, for anyone interested (though arguably also an above average wolf game for me).

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #135

2 Mischief (Totally not Taffy, Visor)

1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Raskolnikov (Lantana)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
1 Visor (Mischief)

Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Sunbae

Day 1 ends in

[Mischief]

So cute!

Yeah, I came really close to getting one last year. Maybe a year and a half ago, idk time has lost all meaning. Went as far as calling in to one of those shelters that specialize in rabbits and talking with them about it. They told me all that was required - special foods, large spaces for them to hop around, specific vets that specialize in them, etc - and I got cold feet because I couldn't really manage all that in my current place. That's ok though, one day! I've already decided to get one (and a cat, and a dog) when I finally get a place of my own.

Makes sense, I nearly adopted a cat years ago, before I had a bit more space.
Nicest cat ever, super sweet and almost immediately gravitated to me when I was at the cat cafe.
I couldn't adopt then, though, because there just wasn't enough space.
This was the cat:

When you do get one (and the cat and dog), be sure to post photos
And I feel you on time losing meaning.
We've been in covid for almost 2.5 years.

[Sunbae]

I assure you I will never shut up about them and post all the pictures in the world until people are annoyed by me for it lol. I love animals but never got to have one growing up. My brother was allergic to the hair and I've been in places that don't allow them since.

That cat is so cute <3 <3 <3

[dyachei]

hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home

[Mischief]

Ender's town.


The rest of you, still iffy

When I read this initially, I assumed there was no real reasoning behind this, being so early.
Now that there are more posts, is this a read you actually have at this point, and if so why?
What is your overall experience with Ender?

[dyachei]

Visor v

[Mischief]

I assure you I will never shut up about them and post all the pictures in the world until people are annoyed by me for it lol. I love animals but never got to have one growing up. My brother was allergic to the hair and I've been in places that don't allow them since.

That cat is so cute <3 <3 <3

Ahhh that's unfortunate, hopefully soon enough you'll be somewhere you can acquire one.
Are you looking at places?
The market is abysmal atm.

[Mischief]

Visor v

That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?

[Sunbae]

alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post

i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor

sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig

mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up

das bout it

Visor's quick v read on me has some fun meta where I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly and he knows I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly. I didn't put much thought to it alignment wise and don't think anyone else should either. What I did think was alignment indicative a bit was the lack of any comments about you after this exchange you two had. Pretty easy spot for wolfVisor to diffuse and then begin pocketing you with a town read or for wolfVisor to start shading you for not getting it, but instead just kinda diffused and shrugged and moved on.

[Sunbae]

hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home

Irl laughed at "sleep terrorist"

[Mischief]

hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home

Welcome to Mafia catposting, please prepare your submission.


"Sleep Terrorist" sounds like a metalcore band.

[dyachei]

That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?

I read his posts and he's not in his wolf meta

Idk, I can't really explain it. He's taking the game as it comes and not forcing reads imo. it's based on gut feels to a degree

[Sunbae]

Ahhh that's unfortunate, hopefully soon enough you'll be somewhere you can acquire one.
Are you looking at places?
The market is abysmal atm.

The market is abysmal and I'm happy/content being able to be where I'm at currently overall considering the alternatives. If I decide to start looking it'll be for a big move to a different state but that feels like a far ways off. Sadly, this has been that case for longer than I could remember. My "I'll stay a couple years here" move here has turned into over a decade. Yikes.

[Sunbae]

Me: Long winded explanation of why I think wolf visor would have forced a read on Insomnia and therefore is a town read which nobody really reads all the way through

Dya: visor v, not forcing it, cant explain more

One day I'll learn to be succinct and concise and will ascend to a new werewolf form

[Mischief]

Vote: Lantana

I think that'll be my "Going to sleep" vote today.

Pressure go brrrrrrrrrrr

I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)