Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

The eph push could be distancing maybe

Eso given backing off q bit once it got some legs

[Visor]

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

[Raskolnikov]

Official Tally as of #538

3 EnderWiggin (Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov)
3 Mischief (EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)

1 insomnia (Mischief)

Day 2 ends in

@Zack: Mischief voted Ender, well he v0ted Ender to be precise

[Raskolnikov]

V0te: Ender

No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying.

"No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying." I am just trying to figure out if a vanillager says that. I can see a wolf posting this in case insom is actually vanilla town lol but I prolly should go to bed rn since I can't think lol. but but EOD is within few minutes!

[Sunbae]

The only reason I'm not voting mischief is because of sunbae. I still don't think he's done any solving especially today and focused entirely on defending himself, but if sunbae believes it that strongly and I think sunbae is probably a villager I'm just going to throw up my hands and say fine, have it your way and if he's right good, if he's wrong rip and if he's a wolf trying to keep a ml alive for endgame I guess I'll make that decision when the time comes

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

Ok. I think at this point the correct course of action for me is to see multiple villager reads of mine tell me they think I'm wrong and adjust instead of digging in my heels. I still really, really think the answer is just Insomnia and this is the "well claim I guess" last death throes of a well cased wolf that can't really argue out of it. Games get really wonky when it's small and a wolf died before d2, the clears are pretty solid and for good reasons, and what else can he do at that point? If it's not though, I will take a step back and reevaluate properly based on this specific game rather than my ideals of what wolves should be doing, my understanding of meta, and deference to others.

[Sunbae]

The eph push could be distancing maybe

Eso given backing off q bit once it got some legs

Let me double check on this

[Visor]

if the wolf is insomnia, nothing we do today really matters as long as the vig doesnt die

in which case we look silly now, but the game is over.

if insomnia is the vig, we are making the right decision, if insomnia is a vanillager, i guess its also technically correct to not kill him?

[Visor]

@EnderWiggin

last rites pal

[Sunbae]

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I note a POE of Rasko Ender and Taffy written in your reads list but no comments on Taffy's bigger post that immediately followed.
(that is wolfy!)

Why no comments? I found it a touch towny on a surface level

Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

Nya

Sunbae
Taffy
Mischief
Dyachei
Visorslash
Raskolnikov
Enderwiggin
Ephemeral

Dyachei is probably true null which means I need to find more town reads and/or dyachei needs to be townier

I also had insomnia has my third town but I didn't wanna have him there if he's gonna flip wolf in 10 minutes nya
I def prefer Ephemeral, I can go check his posts again to confirm this (or potentially feel differently )

Alright better check this wagon again if people will actually listen to me lol

Visor,

Can you talk more about the "backing off" part? I don't see it myself but I am uh, not with it currently.

[Sunbae]

if the wolf is insomnia, nothing we do today really matters as long as the vig doesnt die

in which case we look silly now, but the game is over.

if insomnia is the vig, we are making the right decision, if insomnia is a vanillager, i guess its also technically correct to not kill him?

Yeah, I'm just grumbling don't mind me

[Visor]

Ok. I think at this point the correct course of action for me is to see multiple villager reads of mine tell me they think I'm wrong and adjust instead of digging in my heels. I still really, really think the answer is just Insomnia and this is the "well claim I guess" last death throes of a well cased wolf that can't really argue out of it. Games get really wonky when it's small and a wolf died before d2, the clears are pretty solid and for good reasons, and what else can he do at that point? If it's not though, I will take a step back and reevaluate properly based on this specific game rather than my ideals of what wolves should be doing, my understanding of meta, and deference to others.

i will say, when i get reads like this i feel like i am usually wrong for the right reasons where villagers have fallen into 'a trap' of posting

so its possible i am just giving mischief a hard time because he keeps running into webs of things i think are not villagery, but hes just a villager stumbling around blindly

[Visor]

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Visor,

Can you talk more about the "backing off" part? I don't see it myself but I am uh, not with it currently.

the last two posts and the whole, i better check this wagon before it actually takes off thing that they have once people actually start to vote ephemeral

[Mischief]

Ephemeral and Lantana: an overview (pt 1, I seem to have run out of multiquotes and can't quote any more than what I have)

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just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery

ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good

not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly

lantana has been... marginally ok

the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm

had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1

ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today

Eph: Lantana is Marginally ok

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could be pure recency bias but I've liked most of taffy's recent posts so I think i'm good with saying i don't want to go there today

Against the Taffy wagon (could go either way, with them opposing it because they genuinely felt like it wasn't a hit, or to get credit if they thought it would go over anyway)

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in my eyes they're both pretty balanced on the scale, went on ender for the sake of having wagons p much

Chose ender for the sake of having wagons

Oui oui

The oui oui is in response to

Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)

lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)

Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)

insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.

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Vote: Ephemeral

I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads

The vote on Ephemeral (first vote on that wagon)

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

Continued attempt at building a wagon on Eph.

The continued focus on Ephemeral up to this point, in respect to them being an EOD wagon, I think still looks good for Ephemeral, and similarly, still points to Insomnia (oui oui).

[Mischief]

I forgot to spoiler half of those, I'm half asleep.

[Sunbae]

i will say, when i get reads like this i feel like i am usually wrong for the right reasons where villagers have fallen into 'a trap' of posting

so its possible i am just giving mischief a hard time because he keeps running into webs of things i think are not villagery, but hes just a villager stumbling around blindly

I understand. Seeing you make the "for sunbae" post I also remembered the reverse situations where I'm sitting there saying "come on what wolf would night vig another wolf what are they even doing" so yeah, I totally get your "wrong for the right reasons" fear a little.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #552

4 EnderWiggin (Mischief, Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov)
3 Mischief (EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)

Day 2 ends in

fixed to get mischief's v0te

:00 good, :01 bad

[Mischief]

@Zack: Mischief voted Ender, well he v0ted Ender to be precise

I didn't even realise.
I had just woken up when I wrote that, and was drowsy af.
My sleep has been dogshit lately.

[Mischief]

i feel like ive been heavily miscontrued in my posting against mischief

so on page 1 and page 2 (1-80, 80-160 post num) lantana does not comment on mischiefs initial entry nor on any of the reads on mischiefs initial entry (does townread me and i talk about it a little). mishcief reappears, also does not respond to any of lantanas post or pose any questions there. lantana reappears, does not question any of mischiefs posts.

mishcief and lantana are in the thread at hte same time, post at the same timeframe (82-83) yet have no questions for each other, no discussion of each other.both mischief and lantana go on to post that page and still do not interact with each other. they say hi once. thats it.

That makes a little more sense.
I won't deny that we didn't interact much.

[Raskolnikov]

No mention of lanfantana in insoms ISO .. oh well its self resolving I guess

[Raskolnikov]

It strikes me noone really wants Ender to be the chop in his wagon

[Visor]

It strikes me noone really wants Ender to be the chop in his wagon

pretty much lol

[Sunbae]

Mischief, Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov

[Sunbae]

in response to rask's point

[Mischief]

poe is rask taffy ender and is confused at rask town-reading him. could be w/w too

It strikes me noone really wants Ender to be the chop in his wagon

I don't think Ender has been great (not that I think I have been either), so it's somewhat a matter of POE, and mechanics.
V reads + Eph being semi-cleared by the flip>
Ender and Insom are what's left.
I still think Insom is the more likely wolf there, but it's generally unadvisable to vote a vig claim (though I have in some cases of near certainty, in turbos, since it made the scum claiming to be the JOAT think I was the cop after the person I voted flipped W, which made it easy to win)
Though I will say, I have had the thought on a few occasions, with Ender, that half his votes seem like he's just sheeping others.
That's not exactly damning, though.

[Mischief]

I don't think Ender has been great (not that I think I have been either), so it's somewhat a matter of POE, and mechanics.
V reads + Eph being semi-cleared by the flip>
Ender and Insom are what's left.
I still think Insom is the more likely wolf there, but it's generally unadvisable to vote a vig claim (though I have in some cases of near certainty, in turbos, since it made the scum claiming to be the JOAT think I was the cop after the person I voted flipped W, which made it easy to win)
Though I will say, I have had the thought on a few occasions, with Ender, that half his votes seem like he's just sheeping others.
That's not exactly damning, though.

A roque multiquote decided to join.

[Mischief]

Mischief, Sunbae, Visor, Raskolnikov

lol pretty much

[Visor]

@EnderWiggin

cmon

[Visor]

fuck it i dont care about vig claims

Vote: insomnia

[Raskolnikov]

vote: insomnia

tada

[Sunbae]

Vote: Insomnia