Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

I'm a firm believer of the vig choosing the kill in f4 to set themselves up for f3

So, go with God insomnia

[Sunbae]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Maybe I need to be more aggressively defensive with an "anyone but me" mentality because I know that's the correct answer. It's what Visor has been doing today - repeating that I'm probably a villager but casing me anyways just in case - and it appears like it's going to be successful for him. I thiiiink that's still successful for me so I'm kinda just shrugging at it but I think I'll look back at this if it's a loss and try and work out how to approach this game day differently.

[Visor]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Maybe I need to be more aggressively defensive with an "anyone but me" mentality because I know that's the correct answer. It's what Visor has been doing today - repeating that I'm probably a villager but casing me anyways just in case - and it appears like it's going to be successful for him. I thiiiink that's still successful for me so I'm kinda just shrugging at it but I think I'll look back at this if it's a loss and try and work out how to approach this game day differently.

i dont think your approach was bad, it really just comes down to how insomnia individually reads all of us

[Visor]

i guess from your pov its: what could i have done to be the person insomnia village reads the most

and thats a toss up lol, especially because its so reliant on d1 stuff that you cant predict is relevant

i guess the strength of your villa read on me mightve had an impact?

[Sunbae]

Carrying on with that thought, if I'm trying to say "well visor can be a wolf here because xyz but I don't think so" I think the only real "issue" in the game is the approach today being so much different than mine? Whereas I'm over here just working through things finding who I think is the wolf, he's had more of a "kill both of them" focus that really hasn't been shared by me. Which I get it, like I just said in my last post maybe that's how I should be acting too but like, I think the wolf *needs* to get both killed and I'm pretty content with just killing ephem and hoping my reads are right and I think once I make that Ephem case it should be pretty easy for him to do the same? In that world I'd probably have to say sorry to mischief who tried to warn me about it, but I really just viewed the two of them as intercommunicating villagers and didn't weigh that warning heavily.

[Sunbae]

i guess from your pov its: what could i have done to be the person insomnia village reads the most

and thats a toss up lol, especially because its so reliant on d1 stuff that you cant predict is relevant

i guess the strength of your villa read on me mightve had an impact?

Yeah, which is really funny in the Ephem wolf world because I might get chopped for being right lmao. If it is the you wolf world though then I don't think I would have gotten there in a final 3 anyways so a loss is a loss.

[Visor]

Carrying on with that thought, if I'm trying to say "well visor can be a wolf here because xyz but I don't think so" I think the only real "issue" in the game is the approach today being so much different than mine? Whereas I'm over here just working through things finding who I think is the wolf, he's had more of a "kill both of them" focus that really hasn't been shared by me. Which I get it, like I just said in my last post maybe that's how I should be acting too but like, I think the wolf *needs* to get both killed and I'm pretty content with just killing ephem and hoping my reads are right and I think once I make that Ephem case it should be pretty easy for him to do the same? In that world I'd probably have to say sorry to mischief who tried to warn me about it, but I really just viewed the two of them as intercommunicating villagers and didn't weigh that warning heavily.

ya i think thats reasonable

the problem is how the f4 scenario frames how people play it, and my history of f4s in vig turbos lol

[Sunbae]

I guess the other answer is "dont tunnel the vig for two days" but uh, idk I really thought that was the solve and was really happy with it.

[Visor]

i will say i have leaned towards eph fairly heavily, though i did do some due diligence on you, (admittedly even now i find it hard to commit on whether it was a random push or a bus lol, i hate commitment)

but the perspective of 'well i got there, so you shouldve also got there' is a mixed methodology, in that not everyone has the same perspective/approach, even if it makes a lot of sense to you (which is something i struggle with eternally and where a lot of my 'this person is tripping all these wolf signals but i think im wrong for the right reasons thing' read comes from

[Visor]

insomnia, you still around?

[Visor]

@Ephemeral

[Sunbae]

i will say i have leaned towards eph fairly heavily, though i did do some due diligence on you, (admittedly even now i find it hard to commit on whether it was a random push or a bus lol, i hate commitment)

but the perspective of 'well i got there, so you shouldve also got there' is a mixed methodology, in that not everyone has the same perspective/approach, even if it makes a lot of sense to you (which is something i struggle with eternally and where a lot of my 'this person is tripping all these wolf signals but i think im wrong for the right reasons thing' read comes from

Oh, don't get it twisted I'm not saying "I now think Visor is the wolf". I'm pretty set in stone on my read at this point and feel good about it. I'm covering bases by saying "if we do chop Ephem and Ephem flips villager and I'm a sitting duck, here's all I can tell you Insomnia to try and help you get it right". Which is some form of look at which one of us was trying to kill person and which one of us was trying to kill two because the villager between us was hunting for one wolf and the wolf needed to kill two villagers.

I don't think it'll come up (either because Ephem flips wolf or you chop me). But if it does, theres what I got.

[Visor]

Oh, don't get it twisted I'm not saying "I now think Visor is the wolf". I'm pretty set in stone on my read at this point and feel good about it. I'm covering bases by saying "if we do chop Ephem and Ephem flips villager and I'm a sitting duck, here's all I can tell you Insomnia to try and help you get it right". Which is some form of look at which one of us was trying to kill person and which one of us was trying to kill two because the villager between us was hunting for one wolf and the wolf needed to kill two villagers.

I don't think it'll come up (either because Ephem flips wolf or you chop me). But if it does, theres what I got.

ya thats fair, and its the argument you have to go with ya

[Sunbae]

The most sensible, accepted, gentlemanly f4 in existence. Good job everyone

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #720

1 Ephemeral (Sunbae)
1 Visor (Ephemeral)

Not Voting: insomnia, Visor

Day 3 ends in

believe this is still the count

[Visor]

welcome to the nl and sunbae talkshow

[Visor]

whered insomnia go lol

where ephemeral

[Ephemeral]

i'm fighting a spider

spoiler: it's winning

[Ephemeral]

The most sensible, accepted, gentlemanly f4 in existence. Good job everyone

:hattip:

[Visor]

that it, eph?

[Ephemeral]

i fucking hate life

all time low performance from me, but i literally could not find the time

fmpov easiest thing to do is to yeet sunbae for insurance he's not a wolf and i shoot eph in the night. if the wolf is in you 2 then it's safe to assume you fooled each other hard? and i read d1 and don't particularly wolfread anything in solitude. flipping sunbae -> i clear visor and shoot eph

does this sound bad? i really am scared eph is not the wolf and if i have to pick between u 2 oh my lawd

even THO in THEORY tomorrow I should should should have time to finally read

man i hate uni

see this now makes me scared of the world where sunbae is a villager, we kill him and then you sleepwalk into shooting me and nl just laughs

unless i'm reading the entire thing wrong it almost sounds like the optimal play is to kill me today and have you actually burn braincells figuring out which of them it is lol

[Visor]

see this now makes me scared of the world where sunbae is a villager, we kill him and then you sleepwalk into shooting me and nl just laughs

unless i'm reading the entire thing wrong it almost sounds like the optimal play is to kill me today and have you actually burn braincells figuring out which of them it is lol

who do you think is the most likely wolf out of me and sunbae?

[Ephemeral]

who do you think is the most likely wolf out of me and sunbae?

gth? you

but it's absurdly close and there comes a point where I have to accept there's no way I'm cleanly catching either of you with the amount of time/effort I could afford to spend on the game

so my play just has to be putting insom in a spot where he doesn't have to worry about me and can worry about figuring the wolf out, unless i'm missing something

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #720

1 Ephemeral (Sunbae)
1 Visor (Ephemeral)

Not Voting: insomnia, Visor

Day 3 ends in

believe this is still the count 2: electric boogaloo

[Visor]

okay we're 1 hour out.

if insomnia doesn't show back up, im voting eph.

if he shows up and wants to kill sunbae so he can feel good about shooting eph vs me, i will do it, i think eph is the wolf but if it locks in the win to 100% i'll be okay with it

if he shows up and wants to kill eph, i'll be okay with that too, i think that does increase the chance he shoots me a little but c'est la vie

[Visor]

gth? you

but it's absurdly close and there comes a point where I have to accept there's no way I'm cleanly catching either of you with the amount of time/effort I could afford to spend on the game

so my play just has to be putting insom in a spot where he doesn't have to worry about me and can worry about figuring the wolf out, unless i'm missing something

how did you get to me, from your sunbae vote earlier in the phase

[Visor]

@insomnia aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Ephemeral]

so basically unless insom feels confident enough about sunbae right now that I can just throw my hands up and sheep him on it, i'd rather let it come down to a silent fight between y'all at night while I sip margaritas on a distant beach

[Visor]

vote: ephemeral

up to you insom. i might towncase myself in a bit if i feel the need.

[Ephemeral]

how did you get to me, from your sunbae vote earlier in the phase

i think i've gone through that already no?