Casual 9er Game Thread

[nebjiamn]

or myabe i did post twice after getting out of watching a movie

but ykwim

[nebjiamn]

Oh yeah Barto exists. Can be no blast zone too for now.

how and why?

ill take the pre-his-arrival-to-thread-answer and also the updated read

[nebjiamn]

​Vote: Zack

[Hally]

not really a fan of this since none of my reads are super strong and i think we should re-eval everyone tomorrow if we miss today but to play along.. if i had to put two people together it'd be

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

me and ur mom

i?m ur mom

[Hally]

@Hally

why isn't it sunbae/zack

i don?t think they?ve really been interacting like they?re on the same page? but i?d need to reread

[nebjiamn]

i?m ur mom

coincidentally i have been pondering ender's question and thinking about having you as my top villa and reconsidering where i am putting ender and sunbae

but i am not sure if i'm throwing

[Sunbae]

im not really in the market to do the whole "top 2 villa" game. pretty cool with where i've ended up.

forgive me if i'm not posting up a storm and churning through things. most of my current thoughts are at the macro level. not much has changed since my breakdown on the micro level. its a 9er that's officially shifted from fun meme hangout time to serious werewolfing, i dont really want to be devoting a lot of time and energy to serious werewolfing, and i feel reasonably good about where my vote is.

[Hally]

coincidentally i have been pondering ender's question and thinking about having you as my top villa and reconsidering where i am putting ender and sunbae

but i am not sure if i'm throwing

[Sunbae]

Basically, I think we've reached the part of the game where we all kinda know who we want to vote off, the thread is open for 48 hours, so we just kinda try to find ways to think ourselves in circles as we wait. I go back to the thing I said yesterday: game doesn't have to be hard. Just find the people who care about figuring out alignments. They are the villagers. Then find the people that don't. They are the wolves.

[Sunbae]

coincidentally i have been pondering ender's question and thinking about having you as my top villa and reconsidering where i am putting ender and sunbae

but i am not sure if i'm throwing

If it makes you feel better, I think it's pretty clear that I am, in no uncertain terms, not giving a single care about positioning/thread control/or looking good (either via interactions or by making "appealing" cases). It's ... possible ... that I've got a blind spot on Ender but I don't think so?

[Sunbae]

If it makes you feel better, I think it's pretty clear that I am, in no uncertain terms, not giving a single care about positioning/thread control/or looking good (either via interactions or by making "appealing" cases). It's ... possible ... that I've got a blind spot on Ender but I don't think so?

By this I mean if I'm a wolf I'm clearly not the one I'm expecting to end game, despite the fact that with peoples thoughts on me I would need to be? If that makes sense

[Zack]

Let's play "Who are the two people you'd lock town if you had to lock two people town?"

A game hosted and sponsered by sick Ender.

echoing others + hope you're alright

[Hally]

Basically, I think we've reached the part of the game where we all kinda know who we want to vote off, the thread is open for 48 hours, so we just kinda try to find ways to think ourselves in circles as we wait. I go back to the thing I said yesterday: game doesn't have to be hard. Just find the people who care about figuring out alignments. They are the villagers. Then find the people that don't. They are the wolves.

i agree with this in theory but in practice it’s led you to have two lhf’s as your solve, which doesn’t exactly enthuse me given they get mislunched a bunch as villagers and might be worse at projecting town as town than some players itg are at projecting town as wolf lol

but maybe it’s actually that easy!

[Zack]

coincidentally i have been pondering ender's question and thinking about having you as my top villa and reconsidering where i am putting ender and sunbae

but i am not sure if i'm throwing

what changed?

[Hally]

i agree with this in theory but in practice it’s led you to have two lhf’s as your solve, which doesn’t exactly enthuse me given they get mislunched a bunch as villagers and might be worse at projecting town as town than some players itg are at projecting town as wolf lol

but maybe it’s actually that easy!

or at least, that’s what i gather from the few times i’ve seen them play + how people talk about them

[Sunbae]

i agree with this in theory but in practice it’s led you to have two lhf’s as your solve, which doesn’t exactly enthuse me given they get mislunched a bunch as villagers and might be worse at projecting town as town than some players itg are at projecting town as wolf lol

but maybe it’s actually that easy!

Well let's break things down a bit then.

Let's start with my last pairing posts. Do you have an glaring objections to what I've said there? Any pairs I removed that you think are viable or vice versa?

[Zack]

gonna suck down some store brand coffee and vocaroo all my thoughts to get benneh off my back with the sweet honey of my voice

the reason im gonna win this game? simple

i come from the bronanian school of werewolf philosophy. i am training daily with bronana from the syndicate in order to attain the maximum amount of thread sway as both alignments and i have a silver tongue that i can easily manipulate with.

peekonomics

[Hally]

Well let's break things down a bit then.

Let's start with my last pairing posts. Do you have an glaring objections to what I've said there? Any pairs I removed that you think are viable or vice versa?

give me a bit and i’ll go back and look

wanna do some rl stuff rq before i get sucked in here

[Sunbae]

give me a bit and i’ll go back and look

wanna do some rl stuff rq before i get sucked in here

HALLY FROZEN AND CRYING IN WOLFCHAT

[Zack]

benneh: why is barto wolfier than monty iyo?

[nebjiamn]

what changed?

just considering all avenues. hallys top poster and most of her posts sound very good. i think game solve wise i think their pov makes most sense to me esp in comparison to you and sunbae. i have lots of reasons to read her well and above monty and barto and i obviously still think you have a good amount of w equity (though i would not lump you in the same category of me having lots of reasons to v read hally over you, i just kinda think you fit the wolf mold well with how the game has played out (i realize this is a silly metric that may not make sense but im going with it since its the theme of the post (idk what im doing dog.jpeg)))

some lingering doubts about sunbae and ender. moreso ender because i feel like ender may have slipped through a blindspot for me because he's felt different from sorc game but i may have given that too much credence since the context of how ender's posted is obviously very different to the dynamic there was on sorc for lots of reasons

i guess in other words:

i villa read sunbae quite a bit but always acknowledge he has wolf potential cause he's just super good at fooling me
i villa read hally quite a bit, i also acknowledge she has wolf potential cause she's super good at fooling me too but i think the totality of her posting has me pushing her up a little higher as game/day has gone on
i kinda villa read ender based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't have a super substantive read on his posts even though i certainly could/should based on his volume and content

i kinda wolf read monty and barto based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't feel like i CAN get a truly confident substantive read on their posts based on volume and content, other than a few of their wolfy statements/positions on the game ('vulgard was the most obviously villagery player itt' & 'nebjiamn never took a stance' while never taking a stance and misremembering a stance was taken) which also feels a bit nonsensical for wolves to do

and i kinda wolf read you based off game/threadstate vibes and posts cause it feels like in relation to the non-monty/barto posters you seem the most ... uninhibited/lacking concern about trying to solve today. whch i acknowledge could very well be because you are coming to the same conclusion as hally/sunbae that it could be a rather boring team of barto/monty and maybe you dont feel great about that or feel the need to dig in much deeper than you have already today but its just kinda how my reads end up?

i realize this turned from a "why hally #1" to a whole thing but ya

"if hally decided to tryhard as w in a casual game then so be it" --me, a few hours ago probably

[nebjiamn]

peekonomics

damn, zack is now lock clear

[nebjiamn]

benneh: why is barto wolfier than monty iyo?

hypocrisy and straight up lies (at worst)/inattention to thread (at best) about who and why i was voting while refusing to take a stance himself

consider the world hally is a villager, which is where im living now: barto suspected me and kind of directed me (but also the thread) to "make a decision" on vulgard/hally -- two villa wagons. and my 'refusal' to do so from his POV was reason to then suspect and push me, another villager. he votes me and refuses to actually take a stance on those two. i am not sure he has even taken a stance on anytthing today besides me being his only wolf? i might need to reread but i dont think he's given a read on hally, nor did he give a lean on vulgard prior to his flip?

as mentioned above when me/barto/hally were in thread the only thing that is giving me pause is that being that hypocritical and trying to douse me with suspicion feels like something a wolf might not actually want to draw attention to?

as im typing this i realize it may in fact work that way for monty too re: have hally/sunbae thunderdome or whatever it was in terms of locking up v/v wagons, but fmpov he could still potentially have a wolf in th at pair (although i think its unlikely). from barto's POV it is much more likely he was pushing 3 villas since i know vulgard's and my alignment and have a good feeling about hallys

[nebjiamn]

i think even if i'm wrong on hally it still feels wolfy because its like, sorta TMI-ish and gotcha journalism before anything actually happens

[Zack]

just considering all avenues. hallys top poster and most of her posts sound very good. i think game solve wise i think their pov makes most sense to me esp in comparison to you and sunbae. i have lots of reasons to read her well and above monty and barto and i obviously still think you have a good amount of w equity (though i would not lump you in the same category of me having lots of reasons to v read hally over you, i just kinda think you fit the wolf mold well with how the game has played out (i realize this is a silly metric that may not make sense but im going with it since its the theme of the post (idk what im doing dog.jpeg)))

L + ratio + mislunch me daddy + get mooked + fair enough + +

some lingering doubts about sunbae and ender. moreso ender because i feel like ender may have slipped through a blindspot for me because he's felt different from sorc game but i may have given that too much credence since the context of how ender's posted is obviously very different to the dynamic there was on sorc for lots of reasons

i guess in other words:

i villa read sunbae quite a bit but always acknowledge he has wolf potential cause he's just super good at fooling me
i villa read hally quite a bit, i also acknowledge she has wolf potential cause she's super good at fooling me too but i think the totality of her posting has me pushing her up a little higher as game/day has gone on
i kinda villa read ender based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't have a super substantive read on his posts even though i certainly could/should based on his volume and content

i kinda wolf read monty and barto based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't feel like i CAN get a truly confident substantive read on their posts based on volume and content, other than a few of their wolfy statements/positions on the game ('vulgard was the most obviously villagery player itt' & 'nebjiamn never took a stance' while never taking a stance and misremembering a stance was taken) which also feels a bit nonsensical for wolves to do

and i kinda wolf read you based off game/threadstate vibes and posts cause it feels like in relation to the non-monty/barto posters you seem the most ... uninhibited/lacking concern about trying to solve today. whch i acknowledge could very well be because you are coming to the same conclusion as hally/sunbae that it could be a rather boring team of barto/monty and maybe you dont feel great about that or feel the need to dig in much deeper than you have already today but its just kinda how my reads end up?

i realize this turned from a "why hally #1" to a whole thing but ya

"if hally decided to tryhard as w in a casual game then so be it" --me, a few hours ago probably

good post tbh, despite the regrettable anti-zack discrimination contained therein

what do you think the game looks like if you and me are v/v? I kinda think it is probably just the boring team we are dancing around not wanting to mislunch and feel bad. I dunno how I could possibly justify voting any of you/hally/sunbae/ender over monty or barto. At the end of the day, the first four there seem reasonably villagy and there's not much specific I can point to and say AHA GOTCHA, and the latter two just aren't unless I try doing some kind of TWTBTWATWBWGEAFGAWFAWOFM analysis.

I try to wolfread one of the so-called big names and I just can't do it lol, ggwp if i just got fooled by someone up to this point

[Zack]

hypocrisy and straight up lies (at worst)/inattention to thread (at best) about who and why i was voting while refusing to take a stance himself

consider the world hally is a villager, which is where im living now: barto suspected me and kind of directed me (but also the thread) to "make a decision" on vulgard/hally -- two villa wagons. and my 'refusal' to do so from his POV was reason to then suspect and push me, another villager. he votes me and refuses to actually take a stance on those two. i am not sure he has even taken a stance on anytthing today besides me being his only wolf? i might need to reread but i dont think he's given a read on hally, nor did he give a lean on vulgard prior to his flip?

as mentioned above when me/barto/hally were in thread the only thing that is giving me pause is that being that hypocritical and trying to douse me with suspicion feels like something a wolf might not actually want to draw attention to?

as im typing this i realize it may in fact work that way for monty too re: have hally/sunbae thunderdome or whatever it was in terms of locking up v/v wagons, but fmpov he could still potentially have a wolf in th at pair (although i think its unlikely). from barto's POV it is much more likely he was pushing 3 villas since i know vulgard's and my alignment and have a good feeling about hallys

that's fair (enough)

and while he's hypocritical in a possibly villagy way, I honestly could not tell you what his stances on anything were day 1 without going back to actually read them. He usually likes to distance a bit in my experience though, I'm not sure he'd have the cajones to call for villager thunderdomes every day while barely posting lol

homerhedge.gif

[Zack]

I of course meant to say cojones.

Yo soy gringo, lo siento

[nebjiamn]

L + ratio + mislunch me daddy + get mooked + fair enough + +


good post tbh, despite the regrettable anti-zack discrimination contained therein

what do you think the game looks like if you and me are v/v? I kinda think it is probably just the boring team we are dancing around not wanting to mislunch and feel bad. I dunno how I could possibly justify voting any of you/hally/sunbae/ender over monty or barto. At the end of the day, the first four there seem reasonably villagy and there's not much specific I can point to and say AHA GOTCHA, and the latter two just aren't unless I try doing some kind of TWTBTWATWBWGEAFGAWFAWOFM analysis.

I try to wolfread one of the so-called big names and I just can't do it lol, ggwp if i just got fooled by someone up to this point

if we're v/v then i'd have some more suspicion on ender but agree that it increases monty/barto equity quite a bit

[Sunbae]

I think the way I'd say my current thoughts are: It's been floated a couple of times this game that "oh that solve is too easy" but, in the world where that solve is correct what else but this would the game look like? You have this core of Me/Ender/Hally/Neb/Zack that took hard looks at portions of that group, tried to make the arguments that wolves existed in there, and couldn't come up with any substantive arguments that felt right. It's not like we all just *wanted to villa read each other and are hoping it's right*. We fought, grilled each other, responded, worked through pairings, and came to the conclusion that we don't think the wolves are in there. We *wanted there to be wolves in there and have determined it's likely not the case*.

In essence, a group of likely villagers played well and found each other through confrontation + logic + working with each other as the game progressed and all kind of came to the conclusion that the most likely answer is just Mont/Barto. That's not "defaulting and feel bad". That's just how the game's played out.

[Zack]

if we're v/v then i'd have some more suspicion on ender but agree that it increases monty/barto equity quite a bit

Yeah there is definite possibility I've let him slide by misinterpreting different from a previous wolf game as being villagy. Maybe I'm also pocketed a bit by him making a serious push on me based on gut and vibes, I kind of got the impression it was something he genuinely believed and was maybe even avoiding giving much in the way of concrete reasons so that I wouldn't have anything to wrap my silver tongue around and slither away from