Casual december game

[Kagemusha]

anyone stand out to you atm kage?

I dont have anything to point my finger into yet. Hope more people would chip in and talk.

[Csargo]

i feel like exactly the people i would expect to be wolf read pre-rand are the ones people are most concerned about

Who? Logic + Ender? + ???

[hollowkatt]

Several people didn't read ATPG's pre-game posting, huh.

nah, I read it. I also remembered how pizza posted to open a mash on mafiauniverse a short time ago and he was wolf there and this was similar enough that I wanted to let him know I remembered.

[ladd]

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

[Vulgard]

I think Csargo is town for the way they talked about Logic. It just felt genuine. No frills.

[Vulgard]

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

Can you elaborate?

[Csargo]

nah, I read it. I also remembered how pizza posted to open a mash on mafiauniverse a short time ago and he was wolf there and this was similar enough that I wanted to let him know I remembered.

Is this psychological warfare?

[Vulgard]

Just finished my worst towngame in my history of playing mafia, ama.

The contrast between my recent experiences and Pizza's is pretty hilarious.

[Visor]

Just finished my worst towngame in my history of playing mafia, ama.

The contrast between my recent experiences and Pizza's is pretty hilarious.

what happened

[dyachei]

Who? Logic + Ender? + ???

Amy

[Vulgard]

Just finished my worst towngame in my history of playing mafia, ama.

The contrast between my recent experiences and Pizza's is pretty hilarious.

And now I can answer Pizza's concerns from earlier in more depth. I feel genuinely scared of making reads now, because I just finished a game where I had 4 villagers as wolfreads and two wolves as towncore. We did end up winning that game, but I almost singlehandedly made us lose it, and it took the presence of another villager who became an IC for us to win. It was by far my worst town performance ever.

I also had really terrible reads in some other recent games, which doesn't help. So, yeah. I do have thoughts, but I'm afraid of expressing them because I don't want to be lolwrong again. My last game was an awful performance, so was the game before that, and I tried to express more confidence in both because people have historically wolfread me for hedging, much like you're doing. But me expressing more confidence just led to me becoming even more lolwrong and pushing the wolves' agenda for them.

Realistically, I suspect you for being so confident in such a major solve, Pizza, because I couldn't imagine being this confident this early. I simply could not. I don't have a single read right now that I would 100% commit to. I had two such reads early into my last game and both were horrendously wrong. You have a world of four already.

Your pushes on players other than myself also rub me the wrong way. The push on Ender especially feels like you're seeing something I can't possibly see. From my perspective, Ender did something that vaguely seemed pockety, I told him half-jokingly that he was trying to pocket an innocent townie, he bounced back. This could've just been banter or a V/V interaction on our part. He could be a villager for it! Or just a villager. But you seem to be reading his behavior there as really wolfy to the point that you see me as a wolf with him (or at least that's how I interpreted your posting about us). It's really hard for me to parse your confidence, even with your explanation just now, and the thought process around me and Ender. I just think you're reading into stuff with Ender that isn't necessarily there.

And of course, if Ender is a wolf, then you're going to have been right, then I'm going to look awful for making this post, then i might get yeeted and feel I deserved it for playing poorly yet again. Always a risk, and not even too unlikely. You could be right and I could be the dumbass for wolfreading you here. I'm just sitting here with my little perspective and my instinct says "this guy could easily be tryhard wolfing here despite saying he wouldn't tryhard. He shouldn't be trying this hard as a villager, he said he wouldn't try hard and villagers care less, especially when they give slank cover like this." But I'm not even sure if this is a good line of thinking.

It's basically that. I can't express a confident read. Because when I do, I ruin games. My ability to find wolves is bad and does not improve. My ability to find town is hit or miss. I sometimes write godly posts, but I can never recognize when, and I do not pursue it when I do. Me being accused of hedging, and you calling it so wolfy, and you putting so much pressure on me for it, it kinda just feels like you're being opportunistic, especially since you're not looking into why I might be hedging. I feel like that should be a consideration.

I'm talking a lot about myself in this post and it's probably not really helping, but I can't formulate my thoughts about you without talking about myself first and explaining why I'm not giving many reads, especially confident reads. I know that the way I'm reacting to my poor performance in the last game is probably not the best (outright not making confident reads because my last ones were wrong), but the inaccuracy of my reads has been consistent enough lately that I'd rather just give thoughts instead of reads, if that makes sense, and hope that these thoughts help other people - presumably with better reads than me - nail wolves.

I'm not sure how I will operate independently, and I probably won't figure it out this game.

I should end this post here, and I am.

[Vulgard]

Probably just read the part about Pizza, I embellished it a lot with talk about myself and those parts are probably not as helpful.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just finished my worst towngame in my history of playing mafia, ama.

The contrast between my recent experiences and Pizza's is pretty hilarious.

Tell me about your wolf game as well, but I would like to hear this on a "me not hunting mafia" level, because I am here to socialize, relax, and hear stories and tales and jokes and memes and things.

The first request is srs bsns, but it can wait. Tell me about your bad towngame, because I will respond with one of my own.

And we can share and bond and get to know each other a bit.

Getting to know you through meta diving you is not the entire experience.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I either am on a big delay or we just crossposted so

I just read it and thank you.

May I respond with a wall of my own?

This will be me talking to village!Vulgard.

[Vulgard]

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

[Vulgard]

Tell me about your wolf game as well, but I would like to hear this on a "me not hunting mafia" level, because I am here to socialize, relax, and hear stories and tales and jokes and memes and things.

The first request is srs bsns, but it can wait. Tell me about your bad towngame, because I will respond with one of my own.

And we can share and bond and get to know each other a bit.

Getting to know you through meta diving you is not the entire experience.

My wolfgame is pretty good. I tend to have a good handle on the game as a wolf and I generally know what to say. I can bus, I can defend, I can do most of that stuff. I've strategized mechanically as well, and I have some pretty good wins. I generally feel more confident as a wolf - not only is it my preferred alignment, but I also feel like I actually know what I'm doing, and this is important because the one thing I want the least is being a hindrance to my team. I am never a hindrance to my team as a wolf, at least not these days. I used to be a terrible wolf, but I haven't been one for the last two years. In fact, I view my wolfgame quite highly, while my towngame is something I view quite lowly - though I feel like that's obvious from what I've said about both alignments so far.

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/pat...ay-5-3-11/3770

This is the game in question, which I consider my worst town performance ever. Just reading my first few posts should be pretty telling - I declare a villager the day 1 kill (the villager who ended up saving the game from being lost in MyLo), then I towncore a wolf and maintain that read for most of the game. I proceeded to push a lot of villagers later. I didn't even SUSPECT a wolf until MyLo, and I only really briefly suspected them based on some amount of instinct and the IC mentioning them as possibly wolves. I then tried to argue that the 2 living wolves weren't W/W and that one of them likely wasn't a wolf independently. It was really, really, really bad.

By contrast, I think my worst recent wolfgames weren't lost through the fault of my own. I definitely made some strategic missteps in those games, like not bussing hard enough, but I don't think I was at fault for losing and I think I played decently well. It's remarkably different from my towngames.

[Visor]

vulgard v

[Vulgard]

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.



Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

Wtf did I write. It's ATPG, not AOTP. What... does AOTP even abbreviate?

[Vulgard]

vulgard v

I did feel like posting that would make me obvious, that's the least I can do.

[Visor]

I did feel like posting that would make me obvious, that's the least I can do.

vulgard w

[Vulgard]

vulgard w

Okay, I laughed.

[EnderWiggin]

Aotp = Attack of the Pizza

[dyachei]

vulgard v

agree with this. I think his self reflection and uneasiness makes a lot of sense and I think that his expression of it is something that wouldnt necessarily be exposed if he were a wolf

[EnderWiggin]

I actually think Vul is V here and there's indications to me that Amy is. Which makes me feel really at odds with Pizza solving. Which normally doesn't happen this badly but it's early d1 and idk if I'm expecting too much.

Lemme get to a computer and actually outline where I am so people can judge these thoughts. Also coffee tell

[Boquise]

read page 4 and 5 (on post 150)
kinda confused because it feels like there is a thread inside the thread or something

Logic slightly wolfy in post 121 and 150 imo tbh

[Boquise]

Bet

Pizza - Probably for their townread of me + response to HK. Mayyyybe meta read on Monty.
Monty - No idea, vote on visor?
Hollowkatt - Probably for this towny sentence "did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got"
Cape - Push on ATPG while ATPG was roleplaying and then retracting that and that being like a towntell. Haha get fooled!

Visor - Hasn't done anything noteworthy so far.

Ender - Entered the game insta voting someone you find towny to blend in? May hav e to do with your Monty read I don't necessarily get yet. Sheeping ATPG?
Taffy - Guessing they feel stilted.

I am so good at mafia gameplay and totally got everyone by suspecting ATPG "on accident" to get townreads as planned.

i can probably unpair logic and cape here, me thinks

[Boquise]

pizza's manic energy is undeniably real and probably alignment nonindicative

his insistence that rvs won't end until people give reads on him is... odd, and almost somewhat passive in a roundabout sort of way. there are a billion ways for rvs to give way to Real Content, many of which include him giving reads on other people, and the implication that he himself will not be the one to give the read that ends rvs somewhat concerns me

based purely on recollection [i will NOT be doing research, do NOT ask me to] pizza does have a tendency to adopt a thread-protagonist persona as either alignment, but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter

that said i kinda don't think i'm actually wolfreading him lol

i think i will town read amy tbh

[Boquise]

From what I have experienced with Pizza, I can say that a lot of the words you are saying are true in terms of Pizza's meta.

Pizza has not actually thrown out that many reads, but he does townread me

What would be "the read that ends rvs" what exactly does that look like? I am not sure enough people are here out of the 17 players to crawl out of RVS quite yet.

Also I hate the last thing you said in this post. Why all of the sudden do a slight backtrack on your thoughts. It literally contradicts what you said "but as villager i think it breaks closer to "i'll lead the charge" vs as wolf being "let's all do this together". his actual game-related comments thus far strike me as slightly leaning towards the latter"

the part you hate is the part i like
i reckon amy as scum would be more careful in choosing her words and also not breaking the narrative of her posts. It is a weak town read but I have seen town do these sort of last sentences more than wolves, because it is such a thing wolves are paranoid town will wolf read them over tbh

[dyachei]

hi boq!

[Boquise]

the secret is that rvs is literally fake and ends at a different point for every player

i, for one, am no longer in rvs. perhaps you disagree, and that's fine!



mostly because vibes, with a side helping of "i'm stupid"

this is also a townie response. There's no defensiveness, no caught with your hand in the cookie jar, though now when i think of it "with a side helping of 'I'm stupid'" sounds a bit like wanting a dumb tell/puppy eyeing the sus away. Still, I think I am overall okay with this response tbh