Casual december game

[Vulgard]

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

[Visor]

vulgard v

[Vulgard]

vulgard v

I did feel like posting that would make me obvious, that's the least I can do.

[Visor]

I did feel like posting that would make me obvious, that's the least I can do.

vulgard w

[Vulgard]

vulgard w

Okay, I laughed.

[EnderWiggin]

Aotp = Attack of the Pizza

[dyachei]

vulgard v

agree with this. I think his self reflection and uneasiness makes a lot of sense and I think that his expression of it is something that wouldnt necessarily be exposed if he were a wolf

[EnderWiggin]

Aotp = Attack of the Pizza

I chuckle at my own jokes.

[EnderWiggin]

I actually think Vul is V here and there's indications to me that Amy is. Which makes me feel really at odds with Pizza solving. Which normally doesn't happen this badly but it's early d1 and idk if I'm expecting too much.

Lemme get to a computer and actually outline where I am so people can judge these thoughts. Also coffee tell

[EnderWiggin]

Okay so I've reflected and there's a decent chance my thoughts actually make Pizza towny, but I'm not going to hard lock him either way. He's too good to expect me to do that ever until I have something more solid.

To explain my worldview:

Pizza is always going to be a focus early for me. I love playing with him, and have done it a lot, and finding his alignment correctly is one of my favourite mini games because it's so fracking hard sometimes. When playing together we don't have aligned worldviews always but usually there is an "agreement on some things" that goes on.

Now this is where I've come into the game expecting something from another player and not seeing it. Which should not be wolfy but I have found myself wolf reading it a lot recently. It is something I need to be more aware of. Which is why I'm trying hard to re-evaluate something because Pizza made the F tier reads comment and it struck me that he was right. And I do know better.

The Expectation:

I thought Logic was wolfy in his early posts on a very level 1 Logic way. He's not necessarily an easy catch as wolf but I do find myself sussing his early game content in alignment with how I normally sus wolf!Logic. Caveat IS that I haven't played much with Logic as a whole recently and so I can't be sure how much this meta/feeling is outdated.

#121 - Feels like a casual "Pizza is doing things" statement, but the tacked on end of "I thought about doing this but didn't." feels directly appealing to Pizza. (Which I'm noticing on re-read and probably helps if I'm right on Logic wolf anyway.)
#126 - Fluff interaction eh
#128 - More direct appeals to Pizza with little other interaction
#132 - The "Man people are doing silly things and it fooled me haha." read
#133 - Wolfy Interesting? :3 Just joking
#140 - More Fluff posting
#150 - THIS is the post I scumread most because it feels like the classic "Omg you scumread x that I have said nothing about too? I didn't want to say it until someone else did" Wolves do because then they have a shield between themselves and blame when the person flips town. Which I'm more aware of because I think I'm town.
#151 - "Make up reasons for me." I did want to see what Logic's justifications were but have yet to, which was part in parcel for my position/pressure.
#194 - Pops in to say this in the middle of some growing pressure on him, but doesn't address any of that. Wolfy in the "Engages in sideways discussion for fluff purposes without engaging in the actual game side."
#221 - Then pops in later for this, a weird question (wolfy weird!) and still addresses not his own reads list reasons nor the pressure on him or anything else in thread.

This is all hallmark of Old Logic Wolf. Now I could see this as me relying on outdated meta and Logic's play actually has this as either alignment.

BUT others are also seeing this pressure.

And Pizza wasn't.

Now in retrospect "Pizza should see this and idk why he isn't" is a stupid read. Which is why I'm retracting it. But Pizza is a very good reader of Logic and to see him not comment on Logic, nor make any statements other than to sus the growing pool of people pushing towards Logic? Feels bad if I'm keyed into Logic as a wolf worlds.

Amy being same wavelength as me in a casual/meme-y fashion was a good look in my mind, and to find Pizza sussing us both was a weird sensation, which is why I broke my own statement to make the "sussy baka" post at Pizza.

I'll be honest, I regret that post. Not because Pizza sussed me for it. Or anyone else. But because he is correct in that I am making an uncharitable take and I have made snarky comments about that in the past. So I should be extending that grace to my own game if I'm allowed to snark about others. I cannot be mad at others for over-expectation if I do it myself.

Then Vulgard came in and sussed Logic as well and now Visor/spooge/Boq (Was there another? I now forget) seeing the same thing makes me feel more assured that I'm actually seeing something and not jumping at shadows.

So let me be clear. I think Logic is a wolf and will push that.

I feel like I had another reason I wanted to make this post other than just to explain myself in regards to my unfair treatment of Pizza and poke wolf towards Logic, but I don't remember what it was and I now have to get ready for work so eeeeeeeh.

Y'all get this.

[Vulgard]

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.



Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

Wtf did I write. It's ATPG, not AOTP. What... does AOTP even abbreviate?

[ladd]

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.



Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

i'll never get why people even try this instead of just waiting for me to post more when they know I (almost) always will have a lot more to read me on than 1 post


also I am kinda a sucker for vulgard's post on this page about their recent villa games and not making reads and I guess it adds up+read above is not a read wolves have ever made on me

so leaning villa on them now