Casual december game

[Csargo]

Visor + who then? and why doesn't visor just let you sink naturally? Which seemed highly possible earlier imo.

[Logic]

Visor + who then? and why doesn't visor just let you sink naturally? Which seemed highly possible earlier imo.

I am curious as to what Ladd saw as wolfy in the handful of posts they pinged as such, but other than agreeing with visor, I don't see a pairing there.

From what I've read, Amy is kinda stilted, but I (as town) once hard defended wolf Amy only to get NKed for my trouble. So I'm not counting on my ability to read Amy as an asset.

Outside of that, I could see a couple of people fitting in with visor, but I haven't eliminated anyone as a partner, which should be my next task, but I'm going to backread while I should be going to sleep.

If I disappear, this time it's not because of Baldur's Gate.

[EnderWiggin]

No thought on me despite me being one of the loudest proponents of pushing you Logic?

[Ampharos]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

[Vulgard]

can you walk me through how you get there?

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

[luvs2spooge]

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

Why do you want to eliminate Spooge?

[Vulgard]

Why do you want to eliminate Spooge?

I said it earlier and even asked you directly, but I feel like your wolfreads of me/Pizza/Logic are incongruent with each other. Mind explaining them a bit?

[Logic]

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

Spooge had a single post that pinged me as scummy, but has not made an impact on me otherwise.

[hollowkatt]

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

this one?

Speaking of my reads, I ought to compile them.

I have dya V for her approach to my slot and to the game in general, they're just chillin'. This is the type of read I'm somewhat likely to be wrong about, so I don't want to attribute too much weight to it, but I feel good enough about dya for now.

I also felt good about Csargo when he was posting. The read on him is dropping a bit because of recency bias, but it's still there.

I had a dumb read on Visor/ladd that they were V/V for ladd explaining his wolfread on Logic in a very memeworthy way and Visor V reading him for it immediately, then them entering banter. I felt like that was the type of thing villagers do with each other as they find each other but neither feels like making a show of it.

Ender/Amy/ATPG is a weird group that contains a wolf IMO. I currently think the wolf is most likely ATPG, but I also think that ATPG is the most isolated-in-thread of these players, and I want to respect his reads a bit, which is why the two people he sussed the most openly are also in this grouping. Basically, he's either a wolf pushing town (Ender and Amy) or he's right on at least one of them is the way I see the situation. Not exactly helpful to see it this way because it doesn't allow determining which one to vote, but it does narrow down the focus a bit, I suppose. I currently think ATPG is the wolfiest, but I have some concerns about this belief considering how big of a role he's played so far and how few people have actually talked about him in a meaningful way. Though on the other hand I don't know if him not being talked about in a meaningful way by most players (by meaningful, I mean with actual conclusions in regard to his alignment) makes him town, it could just make him a wolf lol (imagine knowing and applying consistent principles for catching wolves). Kinda tempted to move my vote there, but. Fwiw, if ATPG flips mafia, I would strongly consider clearing Ender and Amy, even though ATPG said he was more than happy to leave distancing spew. And if one of Ender/Amy flips mafia, probably give ATPG some time and see if he dies for it (because by his own admission, he should).

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

If so thanks, if not can you point me to it?

[Vulgard]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

I think you need to post that more quickly than you might think.

[Raskolnikov]

The following should be the current tally:

Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (2): Taffy, Csargo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Ender (1): ATPG
Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Kage (1): Boquise

[Ampharos]

I think you need to post that more quickly than you might think.

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

[EnderWiggin]

I think Logic is fully in wolf meta.

But I also am noting no push back against the wagon, like almost zilch.

[EnderWiggin]

Also beyond that point Amy, Logic ignoring me entirely in his reactions to the push feels off.

[Vulgard]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

I'll probably respect it if Logic flips town because he seems really confident in it and my townread on Visor has pretty shaky reasoning. Idk if I would follow it right now, though.

[hollowkatt]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

why not though? like at some point if you're town and you're convinced that someone else is reading you wolf when they should, by history/experience/whatever, be reading you town or at worst null isn't the logical conclusion "this person isn't pushing me in good faith"?

Like sure you said you've never been "so confident" in someone elses ability to read you but Logic appears to be stating Visor should be able to do that correctly (intimating So Confident) which makes that leap to "visor is a wolf" more of a legit conclusion than what you're arguing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

Wrong but believable.

[hollowkatt]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

@Ampharos why do you think Dya was treating you the way they did?

[Cape90]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

I don't really think his pop in was bad it was just okay. seen worse

I think Logic is fully in wolf meta.

But I also am noting no push back against the wagon, like almost zilch.

So I have 0 meta knowledge of Logic. What do he do as town vs mafia?

[Cape90]

i think HK is fully in town meta. Good to see :D

[luvs2spooge]

i think HK is fully in town meta. Good to see :D

Yes. HK is obvious town. Good read. You're also obvious town.

[EnderWiggin]

So I have 0 meta knowledge of Logic. What do he do as town vs mafia?

As both alignments he doesn't play super high intensity so low posting is kinda expected but

As town he has, for lack of a better term, a thread of logic through his posts. I don't necessarily agree/vibe with the solving but you read post to post and you're like yes, this tracks. He also gets into a thread with more ease, a little jokey at first before getting into solving.

As wolf he struggles much more with 'fitting' in thread and feels awkward trying to get involved. He also feels more required to out reads early.

I haven't seen his wolf game for a few years, but from what I saw last year the town game still fits the mental module I have for him, which makes me moderately confident that the wolf game fitting my model here still vibes.

[EnderWiggin]

Mental model*

I have no idea how that autocorrected to module o.O

[Askthepizzaguy]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

This post is too (negative adjective) to be a wolf.

This does not help Amy get townread or advance the wolf team win condition.

I'm trying to be critical without being personal. This post is bad for both alignments, but it's also more likely to come from the town alignment of no TMI about Logic.

[Boquise]

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

I dont think this is a townie post.

[Logic]

No thought on me despite me being one of the loudest proponents of pushing you Logic?

@EnderWiggen
I saw you voting for me, and thought the reasoning I spotted was sound albeit wrong.

But I've also skipped a bunch of posts, so of you got somethingyou specifically want my attention on, feel free to tag me with some postnums.

I do hope you'll forgive me for missing something you wanted my attention on. (And I don't mean "forgive" in a game sense; I'm saying this because I've potentially been rude by ignoring something you've said.)

[Logic]

@EnderWiggen
I saw you voting for me, and thought the reasoning I spotted was sound albeit wrong.

But I've also skipped a bunch of posts, so of you got somethingyou specifically want my attention on, feel free to tag me with some postnums.

I do hope you'll forgive me for missing something you wanted my attention on. (And I don't mean "forgive" in a game sense; I'm saying this because I've potentially been rude by ignoring something you've said.)

@EnderWiggin

[Csargo]

Vote:Kage

[Logic]

Vote:Kage

This seems out of nowhere.
Especially since you were considering me, as far as I could tell.

[Boquise]

Vote:Kage

Someone joining my mystery wagon huh tbh!