Casual december game

[EnderWiggin]

Logic usually vibes uncomfortable in the thread. But shit happens. How far did you consider self-pres onto Amy?

Not really at all. I don't yeet someone I townread because they're not me. I hope people understand my positions later. And then hope I'm not wrong.

None of those players were on - wait, I'm furrowing my brow here. In this post you didn't rate the Logic wagon highly as a candidate for scum, preferring to look into your own wagon, yet the names you listed were all on the Logic wagon (minus Cape and Amp). And soon after pointing FOS at "Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata", you said "Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner." I'm just having trouble understanding.

Question = "Who do you think could be wolf on Logic wagon."

My response = "I don't think there is (Because I townread a lot of them) BUT IF I WERE TO PICK A NAME IT WOULD BE IN THIS SUBSET."

Now next time read more closely if you're confused.

So Visor is the fake mason and you are the real mason? Whatta slip!
It's OK, I've already rewritten my leans list.
But hold up - if Visor fake-claimed mason after his D1, isn't that well into policy-oust territory?
And #963 feels more like approval than fear. Will have to defer judgement until Visor reappears.

What the hell is this post.

[EnderWiggin]

Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships.
HK

Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.

Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender

Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.

The amount of nulls in this post is too damn high.

[Raskolnikov]

Vulgard (2): pizza, Renata
Visor (1): HK
Monty (1): Vulgard

EOD in roughly 35 hours and half

[EnderWiggin]

Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
@EnderWiggin How have Renata and Amy towntold?

Renata townread is a dumb read but I believe in it.

The late entry to thread and generally how they've acted around that reads as town.

Amy's general interactions with me early and how we both vibed on the same reads-ish early felt like town. It's probably one of the weaker townreads (I kinda believe in the Renata one more than this one) but between that and how she acted when wagoned I kinda don't think it's a hit?

Writing that out it feels weaker than it felt in my head ngl.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Vulgard is too onside with my viewpoints to honestly be scum.

I'm ditching my re-eval for now because I just keep coming back to him being towny.

[EnderWiggin]

If Vulgard is wolf then one of us is hard wrong-siding lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.

It's open on Giraffeboards forum.

[Renata]

Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.

[EnderWiggin]

Also this isn?t really strong but Monty trying to ask if I could be being coached feels like an odd thought from a wolf. It?s not much but it?s kind of there. Ender is the one where I can?t see any belief in reads. I cant even figure out from that big reads discussion who he thinks is a wolf. Right now I?d buy a him, Visor and maybe still you world pretty cheap.

Help me bus then.

Vote: Visor

[Visor]

Boooo csargo booooo

[Renata]

L visor.

[Renata]

Help me bus then.

Vote: Visor

This can’t be real.

[Visor]

Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon

[Renata]

This seems fun though vote:Ender

[Visor]

This can’t be real.

I'm certainly regretting not killing him over logic

One day I'll learn to not be sentimental

[Renata]

Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon

. Yawn.

[Visor]

Good chat see U fellas tomorrow

[EnderWiggin]

Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.

...

What.

How the hell am I disconnected from engaging with it?

I didn't strongly do anything because I started the day while working, took a nap after work, and have been reading back up.

I literally haven't been able to reread thread until like...

20m ago.

I explicitly said I wouldn't have any time for a bunch more hours when responding to Pizza.

My POE right now is probably:

Boq - Top of POE which means least wanted. Their progression on some slots feels wolfy to me, to explain:
#385 - Approves of the Logic wagon and doesn't jump on, this is part of my iffiness about how they treated Logic.
#390 - The whole "I townread Amy buuuuut side-eyes."
#405 - This was one similar to what I was remembering EOD, Boq is like "This is wolfy but maybe not. But I sus it."
#432 - Almost constant "Logic is sus but maybe."
#449 - This is the thing I was thinking of at EOD. "I sus Logic but voting somewhere else don't mind me."
Followed by:
#580 - "I didn't try to change the wagon, I just didn't want towny blood on my hands."
#607 - It's more of the same.
#719 - Doesn't townread Logic, but treats Logic like town in the way he talks about his Amy vote.

I got distracted casing Boq, but the other are like Visor and Monty.

Csargo is an ehehhh with Dya/ladd/Kage just above.

I have added HK to town leans but that's because I don't see why HK would pull that "Nah Ender's town." when I'm an easy misyeet for him rn if he's wolf. Like cutting off a misyeet and defending me feels bad for a wolf when I'm prime tasting fruit rn.

[EnderWiggin]

This can’t be real.

You will have to live with my snark.

[EnderWiggin]

It's past midnight already, I'll briefly cover Monty/Visor.

I think Visor's scum because of their treatment of Logic when Logic went hard on "Visor is wolf" felt like someone desperately putting out fires.

This is a review of the scene with the clarity of knowing I was wrong on Logic. I'll admit I ignored 90% of that when it happened because I was tunnelled on Logic.


I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact. Which is a major soft-footprint style read. Especially with the number of nulls put.

[EnderWiggin]

Would like to see comments on your POE. You seem disconnected from engaging with it very much.

I've given you your thoughts. And corrected this horrific interpretation of my status with regards to my POE.

Feel free to launch what questions you have at me.

[Visor]

It's past midnight already, I'll briefly cover Monty/Visor.

I think Visor's scum because of their treatment of Logic when Logic went hard on "Visor is wolf" felt like someone desperately putting out fires.

This is a review of the scene with the clarity of knowing I was wrong on Logic. I'll admit I ignored 90% of that when it happened because I was tunnelled on Logic.


I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact. Which is a major soft-footprint style read. Especially with the number of nulls put.

I don't understand why you think I would care about someone saying I was a lock wolf for daring to be wrong on them.

I was the first logic pusher to turn around on the wagon - I went back there to save you because I felt bad about killing you in the syndicate game when it was you vs hollowkatt - but I still did - which would be reasonable to push me for I guess, but that isn't your argument.

[EnderWiggin]

I don't understand why you think I would care about someone saying I was a lock wolf for daring to be wrong on them.

I was the first logic pusher to turn around on the wagon - I went back there to save you because I felt bad about killing you in the syndicate game when it was you vs hollowkatt - but I still did - which would be reasonable to push me for I guess, but that isn't your argument.

Treatment of it is why. But shrug.

[EnderWiggin]

But I've changed my mind anyway.

Vote: Boq

Made myself believe in this one more lmao.

[Vulgard]

Hardclaim cop with a peek on Montmorency as mafia goon

If this is true, then lmao.

[Vulgard]

Renata townread is a dumb read but I believe in it.

The late entry to thread and generally how they've acted around that reads as town.

Amy's general interactions with me early and how we both vibed on the same reads-ish early felt like town. It's probably one of the weaker townreads (I kinda believe in the Renata one more than this one) but between that and how she acted when wagoned I kinda don't think it's a hit?

Writing that out it feels weaker than it felt in my head ngl.

I feel like you're townreading everyone who suspects you.

[Vulgard]

I think Monty is scum because they haven't been super impactful and their position has been low impact.

Are you saying the same thing twice because you're struggling to find arguments?

[EnderWiggin]

I feel like you're townreading everyone who suspects you.

Prettyyyyy sure not?

Also I townread Renata and Amy before they sussed me soooo.

[EnderWiggin]

Are you saying the same thing twice because you're struggling to find arguments?

No, it's past midnight and words aren't the greatest when I'm exhausted.

Reads vs Position was the difference in that statement.

Their reads have been vastly full of Nulls. I haven't felt like any of them are put out to change thread.

Position has been very hands off with regards to the logic wagon/progression of things EOD (which I know is v/v so perspective advantage gg) which feels right for a wolf who knows it's v/v.

[EnderWiggin]

Is this the arc where Vulgard gives up on townreading me and then I really have started by townreading all the people who suss me eventually.