Casual december game

[Vulgard]

Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.

My mental thought on this was along the lines of "Oh bullshit, Pizza, that was obviously a joke". But Vulgard then answered this:



And I still do not believe that it was actually a reaction assessment.

Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.

I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.

[dyachei]

This is going to be such a pain to format.

Somewhere prior to post 300, Ender made what I took as a pocketing joke toward Vulgard and Vulgard responded with what read to me as joining in on the same joke. Pizza took it more seriously and asked how Vulgard was reading Ender. Vulgard replied town. Pizza does this:



zipping Vulgard to the top of scum leans and asked this:



My mental thought on this was along the lines of "Oh bullshit, Pizza, that was obviously a joke". But Vulgard then answered this:



And I still do not believe that it was actually a reaction assessment.

@dyachei Can you comment on this please within the context of your Vulgard town lean. I agree with you that I misread that one post of Vulgard's, but it feels like you're sticking to the AtE aspect of Vulgard's posts and skipping over other things that I see, such as this.

There is also this post of Pizza's



to which Vulgard responded that it was towny. Which I also struggle to see as a real read.

And as long as I'm here:



(This was about Logic.) The more I look at this the more it pains me.

the thing about vulgard is that he's kind of an awkward player. so this doesn't feel out of the realm of the awkwardness I've seen from him in other games. i do see your point and I'm thinking about it. Idk that it makes me think vulgard is a wolf, but I'm not reading him as villager as much

[Renata]

Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.



Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.

I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.

So why did you respond to Ender in that way?

[dyachei]

i dont like vulgard's explanation rn

[Vulgard]

So why did you respond to Ender in that way?

I felt like it. There was no actual reason. I also thought it would be mildly funny for him.

[Vulgard]

i dont like vulgard's explanation rn

Yeah, expected.

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[Renata]

I felt like it. There was no actual reason. I also thought it would be mildly funny for him.

Which is what I thought it was originally?

So what we're basically left with is, "I was slightly agitated by Pizza's questioning and thought that making up something about a reaction assessment would get him off my back, so I lied about my actually innocent and lighthearted response."

Okay.

Moving on.

[Vulgard]

Which is what I thought it was originally?

So what we're basically left with is, "I was slightly agitated by Pizza's questioning and thought that making up something about a reaction assessment would get him off my back, so I lied about my actually innocent and lighthearted response."

Okay.

Moving on.

Yeah, I know it sounds ridiculous when you put it like that.

[Visor]

there are a few issues i have with boqs posts, but one of the quick ones:

his kage vote seemed bad and he only elaborated on it when i mentioned my interpretation of what his vote looked likes (ages after he actually voted)

he never seemed like he particularly cared about kaeg (or anyone) going over and rather than someone off doing their own thing he felt like he was just posting stuff to keep afloat in thread and not draw much attention to himself


eg i dont remember him trying to actually convince anyone seriously of his susp or try to work with anyone to truly solve anything

(and i dont care about postcount, its a casual game - i just care about the methodology he used)

[Visor]

i will say: i am not sold on boq being a wolf or even kage being v, a few of kages posts have made me question my read there - but my initial feeling was that boqs push on kage was pretty weak - i expected a little more to it

[Visor]

any of yall got thougts on tafffy?

[Vulgard]

any of yall got thougts on tafffy?

My top town. Though I'm wondering if it was for bad reasons, but I thought she had a string of really good posts on the page where I townread her.

[dyachei]

any of yall got thougts on tafffy?

gut says v

[Visor]

My top town. Though I'm wondering if it was for bad reasons, but I thought she had a string of really good posts on the page where I townread her.

can you quote them

im currently freezing to death in the siberian wastes and the thought of wading through posts seems forlorn rn

[Visor]

can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'

thx

(for my own personal curiosity)

[Vulgard]

can you quote them

im currently freezing to death in the siberian wastes and the thought of wading through posts seems forlorn rn

I was going to quote my take on her, but then I realized I just said "Taffy is my top town" in two separate posts on page 34 and left it at that, which doesn't seem exactly helpful.

It was also just one post.

I swear I remember my own reads.

A loosely ordered reads list since I didn't get around to it yesterday. It's also late and I will not read posts until tomorrow morning.


People I would prefer not to reconsider until LyLo:

Boquise: you voted Kagemusha shortly after I got pinged (see below), and I don't believe a wolf would have started a wagon with so little chance of success at a time when that could not but draw a lot of unwanted attention (as it did). My impression of you as a wolf is more one of slyly steering people than of making fancy twtbaw plays, correct me if wrong.

Vulgard: your early game gave me the impression that you were uncomfortable in the thread (which is probably where all those scumreads come from), and I believe that you'd be happier and more confident if you had randed wolf. If we both live till LyLo I'll put in some work to look at former wolf games of yours to see if faking this is something you like to do.

Cape: you made that post saying that you sometimes as a wolf like to up your obliviousness to jokes and if that was a lampshade of what you were actually doing at SoD then mad props to you but for now you look very towny to me.



People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on:

Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.

Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.

Spooge: I've liked most of your posts, I'm interested in having you explain why you think HK is so obviously town because as you can see we disagree there.

Ladd: I thought your post with the quotes from Logic was awful until someone called it a joke. I'm pretty sure you haven't done anything that would let me read you yet.

Asks: I have made zero effort to guess your alignment, you count as my null on this list. The fact that half of the players ended above and half below is a coincidence I find particularly funny.

Renata: missing most of D1 and then obviously not being able to contribute much could be a way for a wolf to get past D1 and out of having to fool Asks I guess, but really you're just null atp.

Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little.

Kagemusha: p286 pinged me as potentially a wolf who had been happy to have found something to push Monty for and then had that taken away from them. This is little more than a fleeting impression. Other than that you haven't done much, so if I were looking for a wolf trying to fly under the radar you're a top candidate.

Ampharos: you're mainly here because you were one of the counterwagons and therefore of interest. I'm not finding you stilted, but I've no idea what you are like in other games, so... would you agree that in general you enjoy wolfing much more than towning?


The people I'm most interested in today:

Hollowkatt: I realise that it was unfair of me to say you disappeared. I still think your interactions with other people SoD looked more wolfy than towny, your wagon never went anywhere, and you're someone others have expressed reads on, so you're a person of interest.

Ender: you were the main counterwagon and also I've realised that that gradual way you developed that townread on me is exactly the right way to pocket me and you would know that. The main reason you're above Visor is that I've never been in a game where you're tryharding before and it's rather fun to see.

Visor: I've made enough posts yesterday that you shouldn't have completely forgotten that I'm in the game. To me that looks like a wolf trying to project an air of detachment, hoping that people will reason "oh he'd put more effort in if he were a wolf".

[Renata]

there are a few issues i have with boqs posts, but one of the quick ones:

his kage vote seemed bad and he only elaborated on it when i mentioned my interpretation of what his vote looked likes (ages after he actually voted)

he never seemed like he particularly cared about kaeg (or anyone) going over and rather than someone off doing their own thing he felt like he was just posting stuff to keep afloat in thread and not draw much attention to himself


eg i dont remember him trying to actually convince anyone seriously of his susp or try to work with anyone to truly solve anything

(and i dont care about postcount, its a casual game - i just care about the methodology he used)

He caught this:

then why did you earlier state that at least 2 wolves were in us inactives?

An inconsistency in Pizza's claimed worldview. Which to me says he's not just trying to appear engaged with the thread, he actually is engaged with it. I'll grant that that is the only such question I could find.

[Vulgard]

can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'

thx

(for my own personal curiosity)

Your avatar has no visor.

[Renata]

can yall who wolfread me pls elaborate besides 'not solving'

thx

(for my own personal curiosity)

That's pretty much it. A non-solving Visor goes straight in the PoE on principle. I could chuck in Logic's dying advice and potential pairing with Ampharos or Ender, but I have not read you properly otherwise.

[EnderWiggin]

Ladd: "Cape is towny because this thought is too convoluted for a wolf to have."
Also Ladd: "Ender is wolfy because this thought is too convoluted for a town to have."

Pick one.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Vul's reason for flopping on me stinks.

Once again:
I clearly have a POE of 4 in my first reads post.

How am I being frame as not having wolf reads.

[EnderWiggin]

Also literally no one has even given a glance at my explanation on Boq or thoughts on it, even to tell me I'm wrong, and it's disheartening tbqh

[EnderWiggin]

I exist in this thread to be wolfread because ? Reasons and not engaged with and if that's the case Pizza might as well blow me up now because I'll be doing more of a job fixing threadstate in the grave.

[dyachei]

Your avatar has no visor.

also logic said he was a wolf

[EnderWiggin]

I gotta get up and go to work. I'll be around probably in 5 or 6osh hours but wanted to join thread before 24 hours in.

If I die my legacy poe is Pizza(unless his role clears him), Vul/HK(one of them probably pocketed me), Visor, Boq

Then one of the Nulls (kage/Dya/Ladd)

I really want to wolfread Ladd but that's 90% because I feel his treatment of my slot was shite with his "reread"

[Raskolnikov]

Ender (3): Renata, Vulgard, Ladd
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): Pizza
HK (1): Kagemusha

[Ampharos]

hello yes sorry i'm alive

blame persona 5 royal

i have like 10 pages of reading to do but i intend to be something resembling around today

[Renata]

Just pointing out that there were less than five posts between Ender's first comment here (explaining his "not a great post" shade on me a couple comments previously) and the second, in which I seem to be an uncomplicated town read.

Limited town reads, wide scumpool.

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

My bigger issue with this reads list, since Ender keeps questioning my and others' characterization of it, is that the wolf reads are prioritized so low and so weakly. Obviously they exist; they just don't feel real. "Disconnected", like I said. This post goes from arguably the least "to the bone" stuff for a wolf to talk about (a mason claim, WIFOM) and ends with the most difficult (reading villagers or teammates as scum). And even then it doesn't quite do it, they're just something to look into.

I haven't seen a ton of engagement from Ender with his suspects' posts either, aside from Boquise. Will need to double check this to see if it's strictly true, but on basic impression, I'm seeing someone who's really struggling to come up with scum reads. As someone who tends to almost have more scumreads than there are player in the game at most time, that does not compute.

[Renata]

To be clear, I'm not saying he needs to review all his suspects in whatever limited time he has today; I'm talking about showing little interest in Hollowkatt or Monty at all since the start of the game that would explain putting them in a small PoE ahead of anybody else. I could be wrong about that. This game is really hard to review properly.

[Visor]

Your avatar has no visor.

Acceptable

It's been 12 years, time for a change