Casual december game

[EnderWiggin]

If we all agree I can be the Desperado shot clear I can die at night.

Pls let me.

[ladd]

If we all agree I can be the Desperado shot clear I can die at night.

Pls let me.

[EnderWiggin]

cause you are easily my top wolf

if you got desperado'd and pizza didnt claim it itt it sucks but what can you do


again no offense but if pizza wanted to be followed maybe he should have palyed this correct

No offense but voting in 1 of 2 potentially desperado clears is bad mech too.

[ladd]

No offense but voting in 1 of 2 potentially desperado clears is bad mech too.

its not cause half a clear is worth 0 to me

its like saying you have a peek that someone is 50% a villager

[EnderWiggin]

So you think me claiming mech clear when it's not clear is scummy but you don't think Visor trying to claim it is?

[Visor]

there is an alternative - that he never was a desperado at all

but the timing is weird

and if he wasnt given a desperado, its possible he was trying to make us think he was to get us to follow his way of things

[ladd]

So you think me claiming mech clear when it's not clear is scummy but you don't think Visor trying to claim it is?

i never said that. I am just showing you why you are not mech clear

(tho i do find 1591 wolfy)

[EnderWiggin]

Visor > Ladd is probably 1 or 2 wolves.

I humbly ask town to help me fulfill Pizza's dying wish and yeet Visor.

Who multiple people have mentioned is scummy but has not had a wagon prior to this.

[ladd]

there is an alternative - that he never was a desperado at all

but the timing is weird

and if he wasnt given a desperado, its possible he was trying to make us think he was to get us to follow his way of things

he made a last post and then died

he either had a desperado or wolves suicided bombed him and he decided to fake having a desperado or something but it happened at a weird time for it to be so

occam's razor he just had a desperado

[ladd]

i gotta say this game doesnt feel so casual

i didnt notice it earlier cause i barely read lol


anyway this is where i am at, if i am wrong c'est la vie

i should be able to make eod

adieu

[Renata]

you are free to think i am a wolf, in fact if you are a villager it's even perfectly justified!

but pizza wasnt clear at all about who he shot

i dont think it was visor cause he was saying to lunch him after he shot 1 of you 2

but he keeps going back and forth between you/vulgard

That?s not really a reason to conclude that it probably was Vulgard or that it definitely couldn?t have been Ender, which is what your reads list implies.

[Visor]

he made a last post and then died

he either had a desperado or wolves suicided bombed him and he decided to fake having a desperado or something but it happened at a weird time for it to be so

occam's razor he just had a desperado

i mean i think someone just made him a desperado

sorc 17er but its desperado

[Visor]

i gotta say this game doesnt feel so casual

i didnt notice it earlier cause i barely read lol


anyway this is where i am at, if i am wrong c'est la vie

i should be able to make eod

adieu

it really doesnt

i blame a certain someone who is now dead

[ladd]

That?s not really a reason to conclude that it probably was Vulgard or that it definitely couldn?t have been Ender, which is what your reads list implies.

no it doesn't

my read on vulgard's posting is that he is a villager

my read on ender's posting is that he is a wolf

my read on the depserado shot is that vulgard or ender was shot

my GUESS for who was shot is vulgard but it's just that - a guess

[Totally not Taffy]

We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

Vote: Visor

I will defend Renata with my life, if I must. Vulgard I believe is town but there's been enough doubt about it and enough people including Luvs who pointed at em that I will believe I could be wrong there.

Renata - Solving and their approach today has been good, alongside yesterday entrance felt uninformed
Cape - I have had a few doubt points but every time I read the ISO some of their points feel very good
Taffy - I just won against wolf!Taffy and there's a significant play here that is different, I would be very impressed if this is Taffy as wolf again

Which significant play is different here?

Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?


@dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.

[ladd]

We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

this is a bad approach IYAM

we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead

[Visor]

taffy am i still a wolf because i didnt remember ur posts

[EnderWiggin]

We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

Vote: Visor




Which significant play is different here?

Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?


@dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.

Is it fakeable? Sure

Is it LIKELY to be faked?

Not so much.

Also Renata's interactions with Pizza are part of the towniness.

I can case her when it's not 12am and/or when she's actually in danger.

Your play difference I'm not going to outline since I wanna keep the read on you intact for future games.

But others townread you anyway so it's not like I have to convince em.

[Renata]

no it doesn't
make
my read on vulgard's posting is that he is a villager

my read on ender's posting is that he is a wolf

my read on the depserado shot is that vulgard or ender was shot

my GUESS for who was shot is vulgard but it's just that - a guess

It sucks because my reads at the time I left last night were the same, but I can’t just ignore the posts that Ender pointed out. I can’t see Pizza being that irresponsible. If he was, fuck that I’m blaming him.

[Vulgard]

Vote: Ender

I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.

I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?

[Visor]

Vote: Ender

I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.

I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?

i mean

if hes a villager hed be doing the same thing

why is this factoring into your read

[Vulgard]

i mean

if hes a villager hed be doing the same thing

why is this factoring into your read

Because he's trying really hard to clear himself with this and I don't feel great about him focusing on doing that instead of doing something else.

[Visor]

Because he's trying really hard to clear himself with this and I don't feel great about him focusing on doing that instead of doing something else.

if hes a villager.... why wouldnt he do that

if hes a villager he believes he is lock clear mechanically

[Visor]

while the cat is trying to eat my breakfast and i get ready for the day

can yall please give me some actual questions to answer given im a major wagon today

thanks

[Kagemusha]

@Kagemusha why do I need to build a case or vociferously push someone I suspect? Why isn't voting for them enough?
Like sure if all I have are naked votes ask me why I'm voting, or vote me and say something about it, but your push is predicated on some kind of "do work" metric that frankly I could not possibly care less about.

And I've given reasons why I suspect people, not my fault you're either not reading them or don't think they match up with your arbitrary metrics.

@hollowkatt I will reply you in a bit.

[Kagemusha]

His posts kinda sketched me out, felt a little like rusty wolf lol

Never knew wolves do rust. I guess you learn new things every day!

[Kagemusha]

Nice. Seems like a lot of folks I know from the olden days settled down and made copies.

AKA replacement players for when we all get forcibly subbed out forever.

Best thing that ever happened to me. Im sure the next generation will be next level as well compared to us.

[Visor]

sup kage

any new thoughts?

someone pls actually talk to me instead of about me

(if you're a wolf ignoring me seems to be a great strat because it takes away my strength which is villagery interactions and when nobody fucin talks to me and the thread goes silent i can't exactly expound villageriness)

[Totally not Taffy]

this is a bad approach IYAM

we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead

I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.

If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.


Also realised why Asks pretended to be the desperado himself, that way if he lived the wolves wouldn't be tempted to go PR hunting. So at least that part now makes sense to me.

[Vulgard]

sup kage

any new thoughts?

someone pls actually talk to me instead of about me

(if you're a wolf ignoring me seems to be a great strat because it takes away my strength which is villagery interactions and when nobody fucin talks to me and the thread goes silent i can't exactly expound villageriness)

Who do you want dead at the moment and why?