Casual december game

[Visor]

how much of a lock is amy for you?

[dyachei]

how much of a lock is amy for you?

she's not a lock, but she's one of my top reads

[Visor]

she's not a lock, but she's one of my top reads

can you give me a deep dive into why shes a villa for you? i know ive asked you similar thigns before - but im talking about a how do you approach reading amy, what are the kind of tells she is giving off to you, what did you think of the post vulgard called out for complete hedging?

[dyachei]

can you give me a deep dive into why shes a villa for you? i know ive asked you similar thigns before - but im talking about a how do you approach reading amy, what are the kind of tells she is giving off to you, what did you think of the post vulgard called out for complete hedging?

Amy is a tone read for me (much like AM is). I can't explain it well, i just think her tone is her villager tone. I think hedging is NAI for Amy

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.

If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.

This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.

[Visor]

i just feel like vulgards reading of people has been uncharitable at times

esp his posts about ender

[Visor]

This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.

its jsut a bog standard echanics post that i dont care about

sorry

[Visor]

how convinced are you that i am a wolf taffy?

can you lay it all out in detail please?

[Visor]

Amy is a tone read for me (much like AM is). I can't explain it well, i just think her tone is her villager tone. I think hedging is NAI for Amy

do you have any questions for me?

[dyachei]

i just feel like vulgards reading of people has been uncharitable at times

esp his posts about ender

i dont think that's out of his village range though

[Visor]

it is interesting to me that taffy had nothing to say on anythin gelse that happened in the meantime except to talk about her own post

just feeling like they're a wolf bronana

[Csargo]

@Csargo
@Montmorency where r u

Why did you mention me?

[Visor]

Why did you mention me?

to save my ass (and hopefully take a look at taffy and ladd and figure out we're marching to the death of at least two villagers)

[dyachei]

can you talk more about your ladd read?

i didnt like taffy's pop in either

[dyachei]

i mean i dont even get the logic. if you were a wolf pushing taffy (who in this scenario would be a villager) wouldn't you be more likely to call out a wolfy post by them?

[Visor]

can you talk more about your ladd read?

i didnt like taffy's pop in either

i had to move the poor sleeping cats head to type this i hope you're happy :P

but:

so when ladd popped in with the logic read i loled, cause it was a funny post and the kind fo thing i mightve posted a one time in a fucking around mood.

i jokingly called it lock v cause i found it funny and why not

ladd goes afk and thats fine i dont super care about that

his notable popin comes in after (iirc) i try to turn around the logic wagon - he agrees with me and tries to step back off the logic wagon

i end up going back to logic (which im sure some can think is suspect, thats fine - (though a bunch of othe rpeople were wrong, so im still unsure of why i get all the heat for it lol)

then the next day ladd comes in saying he is struggling to find me as a villager because i am often more paranoid of being wrong etc etc (which is true (though i can fake it pretty well too)), but the thing is - i DID do that, and I WAS one of the catalysts for switching off logic

ive done that song and dance plenty of times as a villa, and i dont think ladd is really trying to read me at that point, esp with pizza putting me in his poe, hes just seems likes hes going to hem and haw and then kill me because he 'just can't get there', when we've both managed to get there on each other in difficult circumstances in the past and i dont think im really trapped in wolf meta or anything

plus the post about his dunk on ender reminds me of his posting in one of his recent wolf games when he came in with an overwritten case on a player. just feels like hes playing up a wolf agenda, but i could be wrong, iw ould like some more face time with him to get a better read of where hes at

just feeling like a mixture of bad progressions and overwriting that is standing out to me

[dyachei]

i had to move the poor sleeping cats head to type this i hope you're happy :P

but:

so when ladd popped in with the logic read i loled, cause it was a funny post and the kind fo thing i mightve posted a one time in a fucking around mood.

i jokingly called it lock v cause i found it funny and why not

ladd goes afk and thats fine i dont super care about that

his notable popin comes in after (iirc) i try to turn around the logic wagon - he agrees with me and tries to step back off the logic wagon

i end up going back to logic (which im sure some can think is suspect, thats fine - (though a bunch of othe rpeople were wrong, so im still unsure of why i get all the heat for it lol)

then the next day ladd comes in saying he is struggling to find me as a villager because i am often more paranoid of being wrong etc etc (which is true (though i can fake it pretty well too)), but the thing is - i DID do that, and I WAS one of the catalysts for switching off logic

ive done that song and dance plenty of times as a villa, and i dont think ladd is really trying to read me at that point, esp with pizza putting me in his poe, hes just seems likes hes going to hem and haw and then kill me because he 'just can't get there', when we've both managed to get there on each other in difficult circumstances in the past and i dont think im really trapped in wolf meta or anything

plus the post about his dunk on ender reminds me of his posting in one of his recent wolf games when he came in with an overwritten case on a player. just feels like hes playing up a wolf agenda, but i could be wrong, iw ould like some more face time with him to get a better read of where hes at

just feeling like a mixture of bad progressions and overwriting that is standing out to me

yeah i think he hasn't spent enough time in the thread for me to get a good read on him

[Visor]

i mean i dont even get the logic. if you were a wolf pushing taffy (who in this scenario would be a villager) wouldn't you be more likely to call out a wolfy post by them?

i mean i dont even understand whats wrong with the post LOL ist just someones mechanical beliefs, even if its right or wrong people understanding or not understanding what to do isnt alignment indicative in the slightest lol

i think the argument is that because im a wolf imjust making stuff up to push them and not using their wolfy stuff to push them? but i dont even think that post is wolfy and i have already expressed what my wolfread on them is based on and it has nothing to do with anything they've talked about lol

[Visor]

i have a privileged position of being reasonably sure i wasnt shot and knowing that we are marching to the death of at least two villas, so people unwilling to consider the scenarios in which we are killing two min villagers are standing out to me

(like taffy rn - i also think their post abotu the fake desperado thing was weird too, but more weird than wolfy)

wolves just want us to march to the death, thats it

[dyachei]

i mean i dont even understand whats wrong with the post LOL ist just someones mechanical beliefs, even if its right or wrong people understanding or not understanding what to do isnt alignment indicative in the slightest lol

i think the argument is that because im a wolf imjust making stuff up to push them and not using their wolfy stuff to push them? but i dont even think that post is wolfy and i have already expressed what my wolfread on them is based on and it has nothing to do with anything they've talked about lol

I think the logic is that they had a possible wolf and they want to vote outside of that

[Visor]

I think the logic is that they had a possible wolf and they want to vote outside of that

i guess, i skimmed the post saw it was about mechs and stopped carin glol

[dyachei]

fwiw, I'd be up for an hk elim, too

[Vulgard]

I can hardconfirm myself tomorrow and wolves shouldn't be able to stop it unless they have a very unusual role.

[Visor]

fwiw, I'd be up for an hk elim, too

the only thing that is really givin gme pause is cape and spooges meta read on hkatt atm

i guess thoughts on cape aorn?

[Vulgard]

I find it difficult to backread in this environment which is why my reads keep changing. Somebody comes in with new information and I find it reasonable and I change my view.

Like Visor now. Visor, what do you think about Amy? I had a case earlier, I'll pull it up in a moment.

[Vulgard]

You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.

Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.

You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.

You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.

You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.

You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?

You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.

You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:



You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.

That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.

Here.

[Visor]

i think we should be killing outside of vlgard ender and me (no bias, honest)

if you cant confirm yourself tomorrows (esp with what i think ur saying)

then we can just kill you

but otherwise i think we should be killin gOUTSIDE that group

[dyachei]

the only thing that is really givin gme pause is cape and spooges meta read on hkatt atm

i guess thoughts on cape aorn?

cape is still one of my top towns

[Vulgard]

if you cant confirm yourself tomorrows (esp with what i think ur saying)

then we can just kill you

Yes, do this. Wolves have to kill me or I hardconfirm myself. Like I said, I don't think most setups would have a role that can stop me from confirming.

[Visor]

Here.

i agree with you fwiw lol

i havent played with amy in a hot minute and she wasnt really in a good headspace for some of those games, so my beliefs could be off but i thought this was a reasonable post when i saw it lol (this is the post i mentioned above to dya)