Casual december game

[hollowkatt]

The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?

ngl I think this is a good hot take

[Boquise]

I think Amy is also wolf because the reads list was acting like she expected me to die and preparing to have to "revise" her reads when I died.

yea
amy is my biggest wolf read but I respect Dya's tone reads tbh. There are several examples where they have been correct and I have been wrong. Hence why I have decided that Dya and Amy are always the same alignment tbh

[Boquise]

The good thing is, if Visor is town we should have caught the Maf team saving in the D2 spread, yeh?

what does saving in the d2 spread mean?

[EnderWiggin]

Do you have an opinion on Visor's play that's not just complaining that other people aren't trying to read him in the right way? (Basically the same as he keeps doing himself?)

I'll give you a prompt, what do you think of him writing me off as "self resolves" one line above the wolf reads in his last list.

I LITERALLY SCUMREAD THE GUY.

I can scumread him while also saying "That is an uncharitable way to read him."

A read can be CORRECT while also being a TERRIBLE WAY TO READ.

[Raskolnikov]

Visor (7): Ender, Taffy, Monty, Renata, Csargo, HK, Boq
Ender (3), Ladd, Vulgard, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Kagemusha (1): Cape
Vulgard (1): Amy

[EnderWiggin]

I'll find the reads list Renata mentioned and respond to it individually as well.

[Boquise]

i have a spicy take i will share come D3 if i am still here tbh

[EnderWiggin]

Not sure if this is a crosspost but yeah. They're both kind of coasting. GTH I go with Monty as wolf over Kage, half because Kage feels so artless in his lack of engagement and half because Visor likes Kage less.

I kinda vibe with this read.

[Boquise]

I'mma sleep now tbh

[Cape90]

Vote: Ender

I think his insistence to claim getting shot is a wolf looking for an out from a bad position and trying to exploit the fact Pizza didn't make it clear whom he was shooting. I don't believe he is actually clear.

I like ladd's reads, too. Ladd, did you acknowledge my case on Amy at all?

it might be hypocritical to think this post is towny, but it is

[EnderWiggin]

because the wagons are between you and me

why else

...

I admit that "Why" was because I thought the comment about voting me come EOD was from Boq.

I blame being half awake at the time.

[EnderWiggin]

it might be hypocritical to think this post is towny, but it is

I mean I also think it's towny despite being wrong.

[Renata]

ngl I think this is a good hot take

ngl I have no idea what that meant.

[hollowkatt]

ngl I have no idea what that meant.

sometimes a hot take is rubbish and sometimes it's good. this is one of the good ones

[Montmorency]

Vote Visor

this is where i will go tbh

You were the one who posted today that Visor getting tilted was a towntell, right? I see that. On the other hand, he did fake-claim mason.

Saving in the case of a town-flip for Visor means if particularly Ender but even Kage, HK or Vulg is scum, then we have a couple mafia wagoning town-Visor right now.

It is of course possible that Visor-Ender are teamed, in which case it's just bussing.

[Renata]

I'll find the reads list Renata mentioned and respond to it individually as well.

When you do, keep in mind that he subsequently disclaimed most of it as just trying to get some new people into the mix of discussion.

[EnderWiggin]

Ladd said he was leaning on Visor wolf tho

Then why has he been so averse to actually voting Visor?

[hollowkatt]

anyways that's me for today gl town

[Renata]

sometimes a hot take is rubbish and sometimes it's good. this is one of the good ones

No, it was the something something d1 spread part that I didn't understand.

[Boquise]

You were the one who posted today that Visor getting tilted was a towntell, right? I see that. On the other hand, he did fake-claim mason.

Saving in the case of a town-flip for Visor means if particularly Ender but even Kage, HK or Vulg is scum, then we have a couple mafia wagoning town-Visor right now.

It is of course possible that Visor-Ender are teamed, in which case it's just bussing.

yea
but i prefer visor over ender and i want to sheep pizza
i have also had reasons to vote visor tbh

[EnderWiggin]

I also want to say on review that I was also guilty of uncharitable meta takes on Logic. Not the "Lacking Villagery fire" take but I still shouldn't have taken the whole awkwardness tell to such levels just because I correctly called Logic town in the past.

[Boquise]

Then why has he been so averse to actually voting Visor?

probably because you can only vote one person tbh

[Csargo]

What are you're leans so far Renata on people? Or point me to post where you've talked about it, if you don't mind.

[Cape90]

im not entirely sure

the game is hard to parse for me

lots of ppl feel wolfy

honestly, a lot of people feel kind of "middle of the pack"

like that type of vibe to me

[Cape90]

LOCK CLEAR:
1. Visor

HOPEFULLY CLEAR:
10. Cape90

IS A CHANGED MAN
17. Kagemusha

PROBABLY SHOT
9. EnderWiggin

GET YOUR CLOWN SHOES ON PIZZA
12. Vulgard

IDKWHATIMDOINGDOG.JPG
5. Ampharos
13. Boquise

YALL NEED TO STEP UP 2: THE STREETS
2. Csargo
4. Montmorency

KILL DAY BEFORE F9 (hopefully villa)
15. Renata

THE SECRET IS YALL WRONG
11. Ladd
16. Totally not Taffy
7. dyachei
3. Hollowkatt

im not... cleared?

also i townread you on this page 55 my good visor i think

[Cape90]

taffy is a wolf because there is no attitude, just treading water, no push, no sassitude, just posting reasonable sounding thinsg while not moving the game state forward

ladd knew it was mac and shot him n1, his attitude to the logic push and then to me when i posted about it being bad and then saying i wasnt paranoid is wofly and his posts are filled with over explanations

hollowkatt is a wolf cause mac sucks donkey balls and always gets reads like tha twrong and hkatt hasnt hit the towny explanation standards i like from him

dya is a wolf for the lack of game progression and focusin gon the logic read LOL (and the amy white knight is eh)

i feel stronger about the first two, but can be convinced the later two are wrong

(perhaps an amy or boq replacement, along with someone else)

i dont actually think pizza shot me, given his comments, and ill be damned if ill let him try to control any moer of teh game, one of the most selfish games ive ever seen played and im shocked yall cant see that

i think he probably shot ender, (ill concede he could be right on vulgard being a wolf tbh)

wouldnt shock me if it was ladd/taffy/vulgard/x (x is amy/boq/hkatt..../monty? maybe csargo).

@EnderWiggin

nut up pal

i do not vibe with your reads for the most part though, like, at all

[Renata]

What are you're leans so far Renata on people? Or point me to post where you've talked about it, if you don't mind.

I don't think I can go back through a hundred posts for this purpose, not on this site.

Taffy, Cape town from earlier. Leaning town on Vulgard from posting today. Maybe Dya? I'm afraid of them. Town on you also from today.

Boquise probably town, Kage maybe, I don't really know. Monty a little below Kage.

Ladd, I don't know. I tend to like their posting when I read it (aside from the initial vote on Logic from day one) and then I get a little distance and don't like it as much. Nothing consolidated, not going to try today.

Hollowkatt, Visor wolf. Still reading Ender very hard as wolf outside of the more emotional posts, and have decided to suppress that.

Dya's tone read is the only thing keeping me from going back to Amy. In a vacuum I'd lynch her in a second.

[Montmorency]

Gravity takes effect. Every time I find a townie in my suspects pile or yeet a townie, that means a name goes to the top.

That pushes everyone else down. And if everyone else is going down, someone needs to be the new bottom name.

That means I iso every name and make sure I get the correct name.

I have been finding lots and lots and lots of wolves in my town pile ever since I began the shuffling process.

I have like 20 different processes I use, at least five regularly.

One of those processes correctly catches every wolf I have ever faced off against, because I have seen every wolf move, every wolf strategy, every tactic, every gambit.

I reread old games where wolves fooled me and I note exactly what they did to fool me and I create a process that identifies that move.

I usually already have a process that finds that move, but when I don't, a new process is added.

So I have about 20 processes, some of those used very rarely or situationally.

The complexity of my scum finding process is like the human immune system, it is designed to fight off many different kinds of pathogens and dangerous things, some things, certain parts of the immune system cannot handle. Other things, handle it better.

That's why there's such a complicated immune response. It generally keeps the host alive because ONE of those processes catches almost every disease.

One of my processes catches every wolf I've ever faced, every strategy I've seen. It is a question of if I am alive long enough to use all my processes on every person.

...

What I have is a very poor gut (serves me poorly in mashes and turbos) and a lot of experience based processes that do catch wolves if I have a lot of time.

...

If I was not polarized and there were not universal townreads on me every game and I played carefully and lived to day three, I would catch every wolf team.

Mainly because I catch most of, if not all, wolves if I ever exist on day three, and it's been the case for many years without exception.

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It's true, Pizza is only half-powered D2. But I want to believe.

I also crushed five mafia families and three serial killers and a cult in a massive game once by commanding the town PRs as a neutral. I killed all those scums as a sidequest. Wasnt even my victory condition, I was just scratching town's back for FUN.

Yeah, but he had that scum Lawyer he hinted at D1 this game. Possibly the only Mafia game in history won by a player who was (unsuccessfully) ousted three days in a row.

[Cape90]

Sorry nope bro. Taffy is in the lightside of things in my books from what ive seen so far and so is ladd.

ladd's a strong wolf and there does lie my doubts, though i haven't fully caught up

maybe i should do so before EOD LOL

[Cape90]

if we kill ender here, i am gonna be not happy