Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Syn]

fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w

HK's play is colossally bad ye

[Syn]

HK's play is colossally bad ye

but sunk cost dictates that i continue believing he's town

[baudib1]

I want HK/Ender to win now because I want to see power wolfing from the bottom of the PoE to become the new thing.

[Ephemeral]

I was talking about Yoloswag Ephe, not you lol

But fair point. overnight I thought HK wasn't following up with his stuff. I will try to bring some quotes l8r

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[dyachei]

ephem do you still think I'm hard to read today?

[dyachei]

and one more question: do you think the w reads on you are justified?

[Ephemeral]

ephem do you still think I'm hard to read today?

i've been struggling to get a read on you for the vast majority of the time simply because you were too deep in the background whereas in the games I can recall seeing you village in you were usually a lot more actively engaged with the game, thus making it easier for me to see how much you cared to solve the game

I do recognize now that you were just busy(hbd mini-dya!) and the issue lies mainly with me because I don't think I've got a very solid grasp on the micro side of your game so I mostly rely on the macro to read you which I feel is harder to see when available content is minimal

that said, I do have you as more likely a villager than not atm based on your posting today specifically

[Ephemeral]

and one more question: do you think the w reads on you are justified?

...meh

tbh I think that despite my very laidback approach from the beginning I also made myself findable enough generally speaking

but I suppose I can't say I'm surprised either given the fact that I went MIA for basically the entire of d2, so it is what it is

[Visor]

Vote: EnderWiggin

i got a long day today, so prob won't be around till tonight until i can motion detect raskols mum

[Syn]

Vote: EnderWiggin

i got a long day today, so prob won't be around till tonight until i can motion detect raskols mum

thank you and lol

[Raskolnikov]

I'll reread D1 with that in mind Dya to see if I agree

Dya, this is all posts from Swag mentionning HK D1 (or even hinting at him in the post he talks about Ender's treatment of wolf bros)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).

@pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?

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I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference

Is this a general sentiment of being wronged by the village or shading of me? Or are you saying wolves are pushing you?

I remember you being pretty solvey as town, you seem to have shut down here after some early pressure, sup

They can both die and idc

that is my honest answer. pzelda if you want a preference/pending a response from HK

I was playing with the idea that this:

might be towny. I think Ender stretched at times but I'm not sure it's a wolf versus a villager who's experiencing paranoia/skepticism of wagon formations and trying to find non-consensus wolves off it

Basically I'm asking myself why Ender does this as a wolf unless it's specifically to deflect from a partner (I am not sure how Ender tends to treat his bros as a wolf, would appreciate any meta on this)

I mostly just want to hear from HK at this point, kinda wish I had read this game earlier because I think content from HK/Syn is needed to advance the gamestate but we're not getting enough

Beyond that I think Wisdom had a villagery post earlier where she postulated wolves in ladd/pzelda/logic -- I cannot find the words as to why that was villagery but for Wisdom specifically I think it is

Ephe I agree has been middle of the pack but he might also be chill villager like me so he's existing in this 'let him be, a read will come' headspace for me which is kinda funny cuz he did the same to me earlier

Visor is a weak V read, kinda surprised I'm lower than SK/Logic/Syn but his wrestling with me/Ephem shows some nuance, lettuce see what comes of it

That's all off the top of my head

I don't think it makes them unaligned tbh. (no follow ups re the weird post from pzelda about HK, prefers the former over the later, minor meta push on villa!HK expected activity)
On contrary, it looks like light distancing to me. But I welcome opinions.

[Raskolnikov]

I just love how baudib opened the game with a spoiler telling the wolves will TR him and Swag claimed Baudib is his top villa in his first post lol.

[Syn]

i swear to god, if you make everyone flash-wagon YOLO at EOD, I am going to reveal your darkest secrets to the world

[Raskolnikov]

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

I was talking about Yoloswag Ephe, not you lol

But fair point. overnight I thought HK wasn't following up with his stuff. I will try to bring some quotes l8r

I checked and I actually got HK mixed with Swag about this.
The other points I've made about him stands though.

Peacing out for tonight. (my mum is power killing Visor tonight. glgl)

[baudib1]

Alright I’ll stop my open wolfing arc, probably overthinking it.

vote: enderwiggin

for now

[baudib1]

Hey Raskolinov, look at that HK quote again.
That’s a pretty interesting perspective IMO from a townie, even one who obviously got heat D1. It’s like he’s someone talking about townies as people other than himself.

[Raskolnikov]

Hey Raskolinov, look at that HK quote again.
That’s a pretty interesting perspective IMO from a townie, even one who obviously got heat D1. It’s like he’s someone talking about townies as people other than himself.

heh that was a quote drama but I can see what you say. I am prolly not weighting it in my read though. (that's the cherry, not the cake)

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY


EnderWiggin 4 Syn dyachei Visor baudib1
hollowkatt 3 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin
ladd 1 YOLOSWAG




MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is in about 24hours-ish at 7pm eastern on 2/8/23

[baudib1]

I think I am going to totally disrespect visor’s deepwolf game because I really just can’t see it.

Imagine you bus your bro pretty hard D1, I agree it’s an easy spot and that wagon ain’t pure, it seems most people agree.

He’s calling for Logic to get poisoned, votes SK and peaced out, talks about a D2 sweep, checks back in, wavers on SK in much the same manner as ladd/me. SK flipping V probably looks worse for me out of that group.

There’s the minor frustration at not being considered too towncore if either Logic/SK flip W, but he’s not being a dramatic about it.
Then comes in today and is angry at Logic for turtling in that fashion.

That’s a whole range of epic perfomative emotions if he has TMI.

A wolf who busses his bro is probably not that keen into taking a lead role in two villagers deaths immediately because I don’t think a wolf really understands the exact line where his town cred drops. He would be a bit more cautious and let someone else take blame for it.

Also the mindmeld over pretending we were CFDing Logic is also amazing and like, the two people who seemed to really think that could happen were…uh… HK and Ender. Lmao

Conclusion: They’re just too weird and too aligned in non-towny reactions to go anywhere else now.

[dyachei]

Dya, this is all posts from Swag mentionning HK D1 (or even hinting at him in the post he talks about Ender's treatment of wolf bros)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I don't think it makes them unaligned tbh. (no follow ups re the weird post from pzelda about HK, prefers the former over the later, minor meta push on villa!HK expected activity)
On contrary, it looks like light distancing to me. But I welcome opinions.

like I said, from both sides, it doesnt really

[dyachei]

visor, if you're still around i kind of want to hear what you're thinking here

[dyachei]

dead thread is dead

[Visor]

visor, if you're still around i kind of want to hear what you're thinking here

on what

[Visor]

i just want to say i sometimes hate when people say x/y can't be together and people find it shocking that you can wolfread two people independently (or even as a team differently to you)

(yes this is a minor call out of ladd)

[Visor]

I think I am going to totally disrespect visor’s deepwolf game because I really just can’t see it.

Imagine you bus your bro pretty hard D1, I agree it’s an easy spot and that wagon ain’t pure, it seems most people agree.

He’s calling for Logic to get poisoned, votes SK and peaced out, talks about a D2 sweep, checks back in, wavers on SK in much the same manner as ladd/me. SK flipping V probably looks worse for me out of that group.

There’s the minor frustration at not being considered too towncore if either Logic/SK flip W, but he’s not being a dramatic about it.
Then comes in today and is angry at Logic for turtling in that fashion.

That’s a whole range of epic perfomative emotions if he has TMI.

A wolf who busses his bro is probably not that keen into taking a lead role in two villagers deaths immediately because I don’t think a wolf really understands the exact line where his town cred drops. He would be a bit more cautious and let someone else take blame for it.

Also the mindmeld over pretending we were CFDing Logic is also amazing and like, the two people who seemed to really think that could happen were…uh… HK and Ender. Lmao

Conclusion: They’re just too weird and too aligned in non-towny reactions to go anywhere else now.

i could do everything ive done in this game as a wolf

i just wouldn't because im lazy

[dyachei]

on what

gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?

[Syn]

@hollowkatt do something

[Visor]

gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?

eph/yolo would be the obvious candidates but i might actually look into ladd tbh

perhaps its just.... feeling weird that he is feeling weird about me lol, but i think the way he is approaching ender and hk feels.... weird to me (lol)

but we haven't always been on the same page in recent games so take that with a grain of salt

i think if both ender and hk flip v i have been very wrong outside of pzelda and would need to throw out my reads completely from scratch (and would rather know sooner rather than later)

i have some thoughts on the gamestate but don't really have time to get into them in the detail i want rn, probably tonight

[Visor]

if raskol is a wolf i will never live this game down so actually maybe ill look into him too LOL

[Syn]

if raskol is a wolf i will never live this game down so actually maybe ill look into him too LOL

he's not a wolf don't worry about it

trust me bro