Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Ephemeral]

Counterpoint: no it isn’t

like if you're expecting me to just go "ah yep, gotcha" with this

i dunno what to say lol

[baudib1]

well you've been arguing in bad faith and getting overly defensive at one point after another imo

so yeah sorry if I don't feel too keen on just following what you're saying blindly

If Ender is carrying n2 he?s still carrying n3. Like if I actually drew a PR shot it would come back positive and I?d probably get lunched.

I?m not arguing jn bad faith, im telling you that you don?t know what you?re taking about. I called him out on Pg1 and again after he made a reads post that Zelda/Ender liked. Visor agreed that Yolo has sounded cautious all game. But this is basically my reason to think Syn is a villager - villagery pop ins.

There are plenty of other reasons to call Yolo a wolf.

[Ephemeral]

anyway imma go to sleep
@Visor i think you should take another look at baudib

hopefully we both manage to be around to chat about it for a bit tomorrow

but basically fmpov the way he's playing right now feels pretty agenda-y

hurr durr buzzwords but that's the best way i can describe the feeling rn

[baudib1]

Like the argument that I didn’t try to get Ender killed is ridiculous because I put him at 4-3 and the dude who literally knows he’s 100% a wolf voted his counterwagon.

[baudib1]

anyway imma go to sleep
@Visor i think you should take another look at baudib

hopefully we both manage to be around to chat about it for a bit tomorrow

but basically fmpov the way he's playing right now feels pretty agenda-y

hurr durr buzzwords but that's the best way i can describe the feeling rn

Fmpov you punted

[baudib1]

@Ephemeral

My agenda is ... that I agree with you?

Your role after you catch Ender is useless, and if we lunch him that night then the JOAT RB is an alignment check. The fact that you investigated me and the result doesn’t tell you anything about my alignment is proof that your check that night was worthless.

[baudib1]

If I wanted to turn this into a full-blown Alison cosplay Id say we should PL Syn but I actually thought of another reason why he’s a villager.

[Syn]

If I wanted to turn this into a full-blown Alison cosplay Id say we should PL Syn but I actually thought of another reason why he’s a villager.

Alison doesn't policy me

because she thinks I am cool and incredible at the game

(plz don't fact-check this)

[Visor]

speaking of

the syn post on pzelda that eod was really wild

if syn is a wolf here he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to position himself off of pzelda one way or another

he was so disconnected it's almost funny lol

its definitely something ive done as a wolf (usually in mashes) but idk if its something syn does

baudibs posts today (or at least that batch) do have a weird 'edge' to them but idk what to think of it. very snippy i guess? idk a little weird but could v easily be endgame jitters, though i do understand your point in the way he is arguing stuff, its very much trying to win the argument type thing (though i think he has kinda posted like that all game tbh lol)

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re yolo i just havent been convinced by much of anything hes done today. i will admit he has posted better today than the rest of his game, but it is a) easy to post as last wolf alive b) easy to post when 90% of your posts are either emotive appeals or refusing to actively pick a wolf and just saying I D K B R E A U X

fmpov hes been trying to keep his options open and trying to keep people onside (dya in particular) rather than actually trying to solve the game

[Visor]

ill do my best to be around for eod

but i will be voting yoloswag barring some kind of magical series of posts

[Ephemeral]

ill do my best to be around for eod

but i will be voting yoloswag barring some kind of magical series of posts

ya more or less probably

[Ephemeral]

frankly i kinda think baud getting so anal about the md thing might circle around to being villagery, first time i'm actually considering his claim being genuine actually

like lil bro actually thought he was being slick

[YOLOSWAG]

If Ender is carrying n2 he?s still carrying n3. Like if I actually drew a PR shot it would come back positive and I?d probably get lunched.

I?m not arguing jn bad faith, im telling you that you don?t know what you?re taking about. I called him out on Pg1 and again after he made a reads post that Zelda/Ender liked. Visor agreed that Yolo has sounded cautious all game. But this is basically my reason to think Syn is a villager - villagery pop ins.

There are plenty of other reasons to call Yolo a wolf.

Alright so Syn’s villagery because of his timing

Why dya? I’ve read V reads all game without reasoning, what’s the rationale behind the strength of your V read there?

[YOLOSWAG]

its definitely something ive done as a wolf (usually in mashes) but idk if its something syn does

baudibs posts today (or at least that batch) do have a weird 'edge' to them but idk what to think of it. very snippy i guess? idk a little weird but could v easily be endgame jitters, though i do understand your point in the way he is arguing stuff, its very much trying to win the argument type thing (though i think he has kinda posted like that all game tbh lol)

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re yolo i just havent been convinced by much of anything hes done today. i will admit he has posted better today than the rest of his game, but it is a) easy to post as last wolf alive b) easy to post when 90% of your posts are either emotive appeals or refusing to actively pick a wolf and just saying I D K B R E A U X

fmpov hes been trying to keep his options open and trying to keep people onside (dya in particular) rather than actually trying to solve the game

Syn/dya

I towncased dya last night but I think I came close to the solve yesterday near dl and am concerned about too much emphasis on spew, it tends to be the least reliable method of making reads

I?m going to do one more reread for posterity?s sake before dl but in the meantime:

You seem to view baudi as likelier a villager than the others according to your reads list earlier

Do you have an opinion on who the likelier wolf is?

[dyachei]

now that I've slept on it, I think my previous order was fine. I was having a crisis because I thought that the way zelda and yolo interacted was not very partner-y.

but if i ignore spew or weight it less, that leaves a yolo who has been mostly coasting this game

[baudib1]

frankly i kinda think baud getting so anal about the md thing might circle around to being villagery, first time i'm actually considering his claim being genuine actually

like lil bro actually thought he was being slick

Sweetie you can go sit in the corner and feel bad about what you did. Kthx

[baudib1]

Alison doesn't policy me

because she thinks I am cool and incredible at the game

(plz don't fact-check this)

This is actually so funny, thanks!

[baudib1]

Yolo, I think Syn can be a wolf because I think the hard-bus + do little else is a distinct wolfing style that's not even really uncommon. I was in a role madness game where Chemist-Lukundo pretended to be masons who hard pushed each other all game. There was a game that just ended on MU where Prince/SPF discredited each other from the start in a setup that really favored townsiding as a wolf. I thought it would be transparent as Prince did little else, but SPF 1 v 12d the town.

But there are sparks of villageriness in Syn that look like someone just chilling and doing their thing that are unlikely to come from coasting wolves.
The way they said ladd could use some sus and questioned him about why he's a villager because of Wisdom kill, which I thought was pretty odd from ladd. Don't think the coasting wolf wants to poke ladd over his V read of them.
That's an interesting contrast to how you handled ladd, I actually thought when you voted him it was a lolcat.

I have a hard time seeing Dya as a wolf for reasons I've stated multiple times.

[Ephemeral]

Sweetie you can go sit in the corner and feel bad about what you did. Kthx

alright i considered letting you go but if you insist on being a clown about it I don't mind breaking it down for you and embarrassing you in the process

you were concerned about a false positive on you? that was never going to happen

your claim was terrible and evidently fake to practically anyone paying a modicum of attention and reading the game

you derped before you claimed and worse, you derped in your literal claim

that's why i never gave you any credit for it to begin with, it was so obviously fake it was easy to see it as a wolf trying to score villa points for abysmal cover

why didn't I out ender d3? because the result wasn't a red check by default, it's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight but as low as it may have been, the possibility of the joat using their roleblock early on ender wasn't completely out of the question

and even knowing how it actually went down, in a world where I out the check on ender d3 there was a high enough chance of the joat being pushed into revealing their results, thus completely stripping away whatever chance they may have had at a check n3

why did I check you? well we already covered how trashy your claim was in reality and how you were NEVER a risk for a false positive, as much as you might want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. but I was also avoiding the possibility of overlapping with the joat who, if they had a roleblock would've gone on yolo most of the time, maybe ender who I already checked

thus, you and syn were the only viable candidates

and I picked you lil guy, for the simple reason that your "attempt" at providing cover was so low level that I had trouble believing it was a genuine effort from a villager

but now I'm dealing with the possibility that I even overestimated how far your thinking and planning would go even as a wolf, and that you actually believed you were in the right and did a cool thing

it's baffling to me, but time and time again I see people like you who think they know wtf they're doing but are completely oblivious, whether by choice or by simple inability to reflect to how limited their knowledge and execution actually is

hope that clears some stuff up for you bub

[Ephemeral]

someone talk to me lol

I thought my claim would come across as so detailed and convoluted and derptastic it has to be real lmao. I realized I derped too hard on it I might have given it away but this team seemed to be bad at finding PRs. Oh well

the one point that I will give you is that wolves did in fact prove they weren't able to find prs for the life of them

still doesn't mean that they can read a post that practically screamed "I'm never the md" and actually use a shot on it

and if you're a villager, that's in fact exactly what happened

they probably saw your post, said "oh ok it ain't this guy lmao" and used the shot on nl or something

[baudib1]

I can actually say this now, but I was spending most of my spare time on an anonymous invitational that ended like an hour ago, so I actually should have more time for this game now. (At work rn so spotty but let's go.)

HK is still probably town.

REDEMPTION ARC

alright i considered letting you go but if you insist on being a clown about it I don't mind breaking it down for you and embarrassing you in the process

you were concerned about a false positive on you? that was never going to happen

your claim was terrible and evidently fake to practically anyone paying a modicum of attention and reading the game

you derped before you claimed and worse, you derped in your literal claim

that's why i never gave you any credit for it to begin with, it was so obviously fake it was easy to see it as a wolf trying to score villa points for abysmal cover

why didn't I out ender d3? because the result wasn't a red check by default, it's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight but as low as it may have been, the possibility of the joat using their roleblock early on ender wasn't completely out of the question

and even knowing how it actually went down, in a world where I out the check on ender d3 there was a high enough chance of the joat being pushed into revealing their results, thus completely stripping away whatever chance they may have had at a check n3

why did I check you? well we already covered how trashy your claim was in reality and how you were NEVER a risk for a false positive, as much as you might want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. but I was also avoiding the possibility of overlapping with the joat who, if they had a roleblock would've gone on yolo most of the time, maybe ender who I already checked

thus, you and syn were the only viable candidates

and I picked you lil guy, for the simple reason that your "attempt" at providing cover was so low level that I had trouble believing it was a genuine effort from a villager

but now I'm dealing with the possibility that I even overestimated how far your thinking and planning would go even as a wolf, and that you actually believed you were in the right and did a cool thing

it's baffling to me, but time and time again I see people like you who think they know wtf they're doing but are completely oblivious, whether by choice or by simple inability to reflect to how limited their knowledge and execution actually is

hope that clears some stuff up for you bub

The JOAT always doc saves ladd/visor/rask n2, get a grip.

[baudib1]

the one point that I will give you is that wolves did in fact prove they weren't able to find prs for the life of them

still doesn't mean that they can read a post that practically screamed "I'm never the md" and actually use a shot on it

and if you're a villager, that's in fact exactly what happened

they probably saw your post, said "oh ok it ain't this guy lmao" and used the shot on nl or something

if Yolo is the wolf he actually had a PR read on you're lucky you didn't die with a guilty on Ender. and if Yolo's the wolf the game should have been over if you didn't int so hard.

[baudib1]

If Ender got RB there would be no NK. Sunbae clarified this in first post. There?s no reason for two wolves to carry out actions. A positive on Ender was a 100% red check.

[Syn]

do you feel that complaining about eph's pr play is a productive use of time

[Ephemeral]

Vote: yoloswag

alright i'm p much set on going yolo today

if we have nothing else to do that actually matters we might as well maj

realistically the game ends with yolo, I can see both baudib and syn as the wolf in various worlds but none of them truly feel right, whereas yolo simply just fits

if the game doesn't end with yolo I don't imagine the ppl alive tomorrow are gonna have much fun trying to pick the needle between baud and syn but to simplify things this is how I see the two working as wolves

w!syn pretty much played this game as if it was a mash and was supremely disconnected from the team, I'd say spew and associations are useless here but i don't think that's entirely true, after rereading his chit chat with ender I think it's fairly unlikely to be theater for the apparent frustration that came from ender, i'd be very surprised if he can fake emotion like that against a wolf buddy. it's not impossible, but i think the likelihood is small enough to not just turbo syn tomorrow if the game doesn't end

w!baudib would've been the tryhard wolf who went above and beyond effort-wise, that much might be in his range if i'm gonna assume based on his attitude, idgaf about his interactions with ender, the latter was open enough with the fact that theater is within his range and as for baudib I find that people like him always have an easy time throwing punches with their wolf mates so their interactions are far from clearing. I know he mentioned "but bro i wouldn't do that as a wolf", maybe, but also not something to just simply clear him for. Maybe he hasn't done it before and it's not his usual playstyle but it's also extremely trivial to just flip a switch for one game and to the opposite to try and get cheap meta cred to carry yourself through. It's a situation that has played out numerous times in the past, there's nothing to say it can't be happening right now.

the only strong point I have in baudib's favor is how he has been treating the whole pr business, if he's faking all of that investment and apparent belief in being right about his approach I'll admit I'm fairly impressed, he'd have done a splendid job at it

the w!syn world is extremely unusual for small games in terms of approach but relatively simple to see otherwise

the w!baudib world is a lot more convoluted but not out of the question from the perspective of a tryhard wolf, his interactions with ender looked easily fakeable for both sides

who would I pick between the two of them if I had to? frankly I don't know, because right now I strongly believe the game just ends with yolo
@dyachei @Visor

it ain't much but I hope this helps y'all a bit with perspective in the worst case scenario where the game keeps going post today

[Ephemeral]

do you feel that complaining about eph's pr play is a productive use of time

it's not

especially when he's wrong and only arguing from the TMI pov of already knowing who the joat was and what they did

but he's also clearly not the reasonable type so

[dyachei]

yeah eph, im kind of right there with you. I'll wait if anyone else wants time, but if I dont see anything in like 1.5 hrs im just gonna vote

[Ephemeral]

yeah eph, im kind of right there with you. I'll wait if anyone else wants time, but if I dont see anything in like 1.5 hrs im just gonna vote

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lettuce hope the next step is the dvc party

if not my prayers are with y'all

[Ephemeral]

that was a

lmao

[Visor]

yeah thats where im at too

i'm ready when you are