Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Achro]

read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.

Here's a question about the EOD Lapras is talking about.

What's there to antispew, Cape?

[Cape90]

@Achro

Because the reasons vul is tunnelled on me (which imo as you show isnt even true) doesnt only apply to me. It applies to other people.

I wolf read some of those ppl but not becahse of the reason vul wolf reads me, because of my own reasons.

Also- vul is saying no one is talking about me when im like effectively top wagon which actually seems towny cuz its so out of touch

Im either at hes a wolf doing the classic d1 power wolf vibe where you identtify an early scum read n just focus on that. Neopest in both champs game for e.g.

Flip is hes a tunnelled town really actually thinking hes found a wolf but ill just say its gunna be embarrassing when i flip town for him given:
A) others are acting like i did wrt the reasons hes scum reading me
B) some ppl with meta reads are tring me
C) hes writing reams about it

defensive
also this isn't inherently wolfy behavior from his end.

[Raskolnikov]

Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.

Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.

[Raskolnikov]

Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.

Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.

*had little to nothing to do with...

[Cape90]

Vote: raskol

j'accuse

you specifically voted the person you wanted to reread?

[Cape90]

syn - posting is way more aggressive than previous game, still debating what to take away from it

i will say, this is something that I have also experienced with Syn and how he feels different to the town game that he just played in. Like his day 1 here felt like his day 3 in a recent syndicate town game.

[Lapras]

if you wanted to vanity vote, why didn't you just stay on visor, why last minute go dyachei when nobody was on them anyways? Especially if it was a shrug vote? Like you literally said you didn't think Visor was towny

Cuz at time i thought chance dya could go and sheeped ladd

[Lapras]

Fair enough. I guess I can't get too paranoid that the only person shown to robustly read me is correct lol
@Lapras what are your thoughts on boq?

Not towny but i dunno will read

[Achro]

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

Hi @Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically

1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'

thank you.

[Cape90]

Me pushing nutella a little had nothing to do with Boq fwiw.

Just their posting up to mid D1 was either absent or meh. There were also the way they were willing to tr Vulgard out of his posting style also. But these have fade away and I think both slots are just town rn though. Factoring in ladd's read on nut too.

I felt like when nutella got going was when they were the strongest and then they lost steam later on. But I like nutella's posts today but I am mildly concerned about their non mentioning of me around the SOD mark, but I had assumed that wolf nutella would just continue pushing me coming into today. It is also somewhat explained in

meh i wrote a bunch of rambly notes after eod but i actually have no firm conclusions and kind of feel like starting from a ~relatively clean slate today

[Cape90]

Cuz at time i thought chance dya could go and sheeped ladd

that kinda makes sense, I would have to revisit what u said about illario

[Cape90]

Here's a question about the EOD Lapras is talking about.

What's there to antispew, Cape?

im ngl I hardly read that post, but yeah that post is slightly odd for that reason. I got too wrapped up in going um acktually on the numbers XD

[Cape90]

I could cote boq probs

man there was also this day 1

[Cape90]

with how lapras did say they could go either way on boq/illario, im surprised Lapras didn't go illario if Lapras believed his comment at EOD about doubting boq would be a bit dejected as wolf

[Cape90]

Sorry- I havent reevaluated since. It was just a feeling i had where it reminded me of when you/me wolfed + the other game you wolfed vs me recently which i forget. I didnt focus on it or anything cuz i think ive gut read you wolf WAY too many times and been wrong

So im gunna wait till you start dropping solves and base it on that


Fwiw the policy with you, ladd, benn, jc, alexa et al is to start by just town reading them as opposed to neutral reading them because its a sin if any of you die and are town d1 at least

like this is possible i guess

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom something something respond to this

Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.

Just don't have a town read on him, pretty much!

[Boquise]

Frankly Boquise is just an outed wolf lol. I mean if you are a villager

You have been tunneling me without reason, coasting, ending off wagon at EOD1, still riding it lol.

vote: Boquise

I am not tunnelling you. Have you even read my posts? Like my last post even said i need to update my read on you because it is outdated, it was even added with a question mark.

Also way to misrep what happened last day.

I went to bed and said i didn't have any read on Illario and I didn't want to vote Wisdom. So I voted the tiny wolf read that I had, which is imo the proper play. I wasn't around to self-press. My read on you has not even been without reason. I have explained it. I would also say that I have done the opposite of coasting since I am everyone's favorite scum pick

Are you this threatened by my wolf read of you that you need to twist what has happened on the thread?

[Boquise]

this is the moment that boq realized he didn't actually post a scumcase

You're really forcing it now tbh

[Wisdom]

So like... you starting to think Boq is town?

Not really. Null territory but most people push him and I got v/v wagons vibes last EoD.

[Boquise]

I just wanna point out this was the entire thing on Rask and why Rask is scum. It is so strange and Boq wasn't straightforweard about his rask push until a bunch of posts later. Giving the reason of suspectinv Rask when he shaded nutella when nutella walked back their scumread on boq which to me looks like a self-awareness thing. I guess there was motivation for checking Rask as ender was an early Boq townread for "being relatable" whatever that means.

Anyways I rate boq's comeback to the thread a you should probably still kill this slot out of 10.

Nice.
I will choose the option to roll over and die then tbh
Vote: Boquise

[Boquise]

I am not going to spend my weekend efforting reads and trying to explain my thoughts when all i get is misrepped and reachy reactions. Flip me and regroup on D3.

[Lapras]

Hi @Lapras can you please expand a lot on this post? It has pinged the hell out of me and I want you to go into all of these thoughts more. Specifically

1) what did you mean by anti spew, ie in what way
2) define 'uncaring'

thank you.

Why does it ping you?

Eod behaviour is a fab way to catch wolves

But specifically:
- at eod no wolves were going over given the frozen votes on illario
- i trust wolves would realise this more than town given they would engage and strat (or i normally do at eod)
- they can do smart votes/plays so in future days they look unpartnered e.g. staft pushing/voting wolf pals anticipating possible wolf flip

So they can do what they want and it generate anti spew


And uncaring would be someone who just sits n posts about things abstracted from the upcoming death

[Achro]

why is the chill game turning into self-vote city

This wouldn't be happening if everyone responded to my rps tbh

[Cape90]

Visor also had a somewhat odd progression on Rask and yet Rask townreads Visor.

But I do think Visor has some mildly towny early postings (118/121).

I don't have a lot of good meta with Visor, like he either dies early, or in i think the only case when this was not a thing, I was wolfing against Visor.

[Boquise]

Like i can't believe that someone genuinely reads my stuff with Nut and Syn and come to the conclusion "boq forgot he made a town case" or whatever. I read the thread, I went back and forth on posts, came to a conclusion openly. I have been pushed in this game for not saying and explaining my reads on the get-go, not showing my process, but when I do it I get scum read still. I was scum read for being definitive in my language regarding some town reads, but I also got scum read for fence-sitting. I am scum read for not having clear enough reads, yet i am also scum read for my reads being stale or something (so they should be clear in that case??) And finally I am scum read for tunnelling when I have Clearly With Clear words described my read and also voiced unsureness of it

There must be a wolf in between all this that is pushing the agenda and I rather not be a part of a wolf's agenda. Rn the thread wants me to be wolf so badly so only a hard reset is optimal.

[Boquise]

I am just going to retort to post X is town or Y is scum and refuse to elaborate going forward tbh

[Cape90]

well i just stared at my screen for like a good 2 minutes trying to get in the mind of boq. It's too early in the morning for this

[Boquise]

why is the chill game turning into self-vote city

This wouldn't be happening if everyone responded to my rps tbh

Because chilling is scummy

[Boquise]

well i just stared at my screen for like a good 2 minutes trying to get in the mind of boq. It's too early in the morning for this

Maybe you should have a cup of coffee before you try to read through my posts regarding Syn and Nutella in that case, since you missed out my brilliance

[Achro]

Why does it ping you?

Eod behaviour is a fab way to catch wolves

But specifically:
- at eod no wolves were going over given the frozen votes on illario
- i trust wolves would realise this more than town given they would engage and strat (or i normally do at eod)
- they can do smart votes/plays so in future days they look unpartnered e.g. staft pushing/voting wolf pals anticipating possible wolf flip

So they can do what they want and it generate anti spew


And uncaring would be someone who just sits n posts about things abstracted from the upcoming death

Right, here's my problem. That's what I thought anti-spew meant. Which is a direct implication that wolves are being voted by their partners. Here's my problem with that.

You are voting Visor
Boq was voting Rask for eternity and wasn't at EOD
Ladd is dead and voting Dya and is town
Robyn is poisoned, you acknowledge that is a bad poison, so you don't think that's a wolf being voted

Meaning the only possible wolf there who was moved onto at EOD was Boq.

This feels blatantly TMI given that you aren't even really sure about Boq in your reads in thread. It would be one thing if you had a real solid read on Boq as scum, but you haven't presented that.

Also, back to the 'uncaring' votes which are off wagon you have yourself, Boq, dead ladd, dead illario, and visor

So only really Boq/Visor fit that bill.

But, also as Cape pointed out, you are misframing EOD dramatically. Ender was around for at least some of it, and Nutella and Syn had to vote Illario or Boq could have feasibly gone over because before ladd's last second vote swap it was 6-5.

This appears like you know Boq is scum and want to get in ahead of Boq's voters looking good.

Because you don't say any of this, but the only people you can reasonably be shading are cape, robyn (who you think is town), rask, and me (who you have given no indication of saying I am wolfy iirc)

It's like you want to plant the idea but you didn't really think about it too hard and hope it'd sprout, or something.

What did I get wrong?

Obviously dependent on Boq flipping wolf but uh...