Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

**Vulgard** · 03-26-2023, 02:08

Originally Posted by Achro

We're actually all wolves except for you, and this game is a prank specifically on you.

okay who do you think is a wolf

**Vulgard** · 03-26-2023, 02:13

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

**dyachei** · 03-26-2023, 02:23

Originally Posted by Vulgard

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

i dnt have him as anything

**Cape90** · 03-26-2023, 05:57

Originally Posted by Vulgard

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

it's WIFOM whichever way you think about it, I have my own reasons to believe Achro is being genuine in his assessments and the RP thing wasn't really that convincing from your end

**Achro** · 03-26-2023, 02:36

Originally Posted by Vulgard

okay who do you think is a wolf

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.

Originally Posted by Vulgard

am i just skill issued for not townreading achro

a lot of people seem to have him as town and i'm not getting there

I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

**Achro** · 03-26-2023, 02:46

Also for @robyn

I find Vul's play around me to feel pretty predatory now that I think about it more. When I was not well liked Vul was writing a diss track on me, but as soon as thread perception begins to turn just a little bit with a few people liking me more we get "oh geesh, is this a skill issue my fellow townies?" which gives off bad vibes in certain flip worlds.

**Cape90** · 03-26-2023, 06:01

Originally Posted by Achro

Socially I have not liked Boq, and the early into the day self-vote feels like trying to capitalize off of Illario's self-vote EOD yesterday being received somewhat well. Robyn says this is town-meta for Boq (or leaning or something, don't have it pulled up) but it feels incredibly manipulative to pull that instead of just playing somewhat normally with all of us. Even if you don't want to to be super with it, being earnest should be apart of the game. Also, while I don't have the Weedle meta I think it is more scum indicative broadly to be passive with your vote than not like he has now been for two days. Some of this can be attributed to just not feeling it, and like okay sure, but also if you are not feeling it then it is also broadly speaking likely more difficult to play scum than town.

Now if Boq is scum I am unironically going to turbo Lapras. His response to me thinking his one post was very suspicious was to omgus and also bring up my embattled champs history from last season to act like I am just a whacky guy. Just a little FYI, I'm also the guy in SF1 Season 7 outed SilverKeith day 1 socially. I've got some good games in me too, champ.

I haven't worked through the third member of the team in this world, but someone like Ender/Wisdom could possibly fit the bill. Ender just because they have felt very absent today and I haven't had a chance to stick him in a corner to get answers out of him and Wisdom might just be wolf because I don't get a lot of engagement from them when I ask. It's all been very wishy washy like 'yeah, I'll look into it' or 'good job.' I also thought MAYBE their comment to me day 1 about liking my rp but not saying anything could indicate they said something about it in wolf chat but it was decided to to leave it alone but they saw me moping about it and took pity on me lol. But for this scenario this third slot is more like 'hey who seems to have wolf equity' rather than a puzzle piece clicking into place.

Now the issue I run into is the MD check, which maths wise puts a damper on everything above, and I love math. If Boq is NOT scum then I actually don't understand anything about Lapras' post that I think is w/w with Boq which will probably default me to thinking Lapras is okay-ish. I agree that Lapras' vigor for 'wow vul and achro said bad things about me that's the solve' is towny in isolation and if Boq isn't wolf then it's probably just always town tbh. I liked their day 1.

In the Boq did nothing wrong timelime it seems like no one likes Wisdom right now, including me, which could mean they are actually fine but I feel as if the night kill makes a good amount of sense for wisdom wolf worlds without being glaring like it was for dya. Additionally it feels like the process of Wisdom has been a slow burn and driven organically through the thread by people I trust. I think your vote, Vul, is a vote that looks bad so it is actually good if Wisdom is W. Except, I respect you a lot so actually I think it looks bad because you know it looks good that it on the surface level looks bad and okay I just described WIFOM but that's my take.

Also, and I really prefer not to deal with OMGUS because I am an oft suspected person and have had to learn to disengage from it, I find it a bit much that you - who has played with me several times - is on day 2 building a case against me as scum for my RP instead of denoting how my posts themselves are bad. In Gravity Falls when we were having misunderstandings you pushed me for my content. Here you've been hands off in a way that if Boq/Lapras are indeed scum together its forgivable, but if they are not it starts to look like you spent all of day 1 tunneling town and then opened day 2 with an objectively silly argument against me.

I think if neither of them are wolf then Cape's wolf equity skyrockets just for the simple fact that when the game state is going very poorly you look for the people making waves. There is already paranoia for me there and the fact that Cape is being VERY careful and deliberate with his Boq breakdown and going out of his way to be considerate and nuanced is actually a difference check from the rest of the game and how it has been treating cases broadly. There is a lot of foundation laying and if our understanding of the game is broken this could be seen as Cape covering his ass when the knives come out for him.

Also Visor exists.

I mean, not to be too much of a jerk but you are literally the only person in the last 12 years of my mafia playing career to mislynch me twice so I do think your radar with me if you are town is legitimately broken, yes.

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

**Cape90** · 03-26-2023, 06:02

Originally Posted by Cape90

there is this thing i wanna add here saying
1. wisdom is easily wolf read to be fair sometimes (looks at the last mash we played)
2. boq was townreading wisdom so it isn't everybody, but it does but an odd curveball into play, wisdom by some association believes that boq is also villager because Wisdom got the feeling of v/v wagons.

we as in me and Wisdom, not achro