13er summer game thread

[katze]

why would a member of the town ever not answer a question like that, ender? perplexing /s

nah but fr do you have any fancy words to say about any players ur kinda floating and i dont. know what ur thinking. at all rly.

gimme something

also @SilverKeith i miss u pls be alive ill be sad if ur not

[Cuthillius]

this thread feels stifling right now

[katze]

@dyachei @Totally not Taffy @Winston Hughes

poke

@Cuthillius / anyone whos aroundish rn

thoughts on capes posting after he like, started Playing The Game?

[dyachei]

I decided to play video games instead of this. sorry not sorry

Insom, I didn't say you were different to anni. I said your attitude this game reminds me of anni. You don't really give a shit what people think about you

If you think me picking up on that makes me a wolf, I cant help you

[dyachei]

visor thinking I'm a wolf is probably whatever. i dont get what he didnt get about my insom read. And he didnt really ask me, which is kind of annoying

[katze]

sup dya

what game u playin

any thoughts on what visor/insoms reads on you means for their alignment, if anything? or any general reads unrelated to reads on you


for the purpose of the above you can pretend im not voting you because i am not sure what im doing with my vote as of now

[Visor]

visor thinking I'm a wolf is probably whatever. i dont get what he didnt get about my insom read. And he didnt really ask me, which is kind of annoying

The phrasing just felt too explanatory

[Raskolnikov]

Dyachei(2): katze, ender
Visor(1): Cape
Cape(1): ladd
Katze (2): insomnia, cuth
Achro(2): Visor, Taffy
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Not voting (3): Dyachei, achro, Winston

Will be driving today. Should post more tallies close to EOD.

[insomnia]

I decided to play video games instead of this. sorry not sorry

Insom, I didn't say you were different to anni. I said your attitude this game reminds me of anni. You don't really give a shit what people think about you

If you think me picking up on that makes me a wolf, I cant help you

i worded my post poorly

im saying it’s odd that you are comparing it to anni instead of being a general read because i feel like i play the same way all the time in mashes

another minor thing is that you typically don’t state a read on me unless it’s after i make some thought that’s villagery for me, tho i guess you said it’s super thin so /shrug

[Achro]

Hello @SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.

102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?

As for Taffy first off way to shade my town sorting process, but also most would agree with the process I use to sort townirs being as you described so fair.

Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.

Now if this is stuff Taffy does all the time as a wolf someone will have to let me know.

Hmm

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.

Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.

If Taffy does this type of thing as a wolf with proof then they haven't done much else and fair, but it would for sure never be my first thought to think wolf.

Wall was ok although not out of sk's scum range and catchup walls are kind of the easiest thing to fake. Good look if I am wrong about Taffy though as sk could have easily pivoted to me instead.

[Achro]

Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.

I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.

Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.

So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.

vote:silverkeith

Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.

[Cape90]

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.

This specific portion of 210 feels like it could be coming from the mindset of a wolf who's with Taffy

But that's too level 0

[SilverKeith]

Hello @SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.

I don't think trying new things is unlike you. I think there's a big difference between you trying to make someone claim their item in draft mafia, which is something really proactive/bossy of you, you wanted to command thread. This was more like a silly experiment with no real mech reason behind it, it was also a lot more, uh, dependant on circumstances I'd say, a "Hmmm I wonder what will happens or what conclussions can be drawn from it" rather than "This is an strategy that I can agree with or at least understand". I don't think it's really AI (maybe it is but for that I'd need to know more about how you open a game as both alignments)

102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?

None, I think. Maybe I've read a game where you were wolfing but can't remember rn. I just felt it was wolfy. Or that must've been the case since I don't currently know which post we're talking about.


Don't think I can reference a wolf game where I reference other games tho I think I reference other games relatively often but it's not something I actively do.

I think something you said later that bothered you was related to me having both you and Taffy as wolves which didn't make any sense and my answer is that you're misunderstanding how I think about games. I can think about things that different players do are individually wolfy witouth having to check into the macro universe where I concilliate both of those things making sense. I see things I say things about them.

Also I don't currently think you're a wolf, kinda? Your push here towards me reminds me of your push in draft mafia. I think that if you were a wolf I'd be more bothered by your reasonings.

[Cape90]

I want to keep Taffy alive tbh. She dies a lot as town. Tbh normally I attribute wolfreading her to when I don't have a random urge to wagon her.

SK's post is kinda towny imo. Even though I disagree with a bunch of it.

i'll bite

what about it is towny

i wanna keep this interaction in mind with the whole SK push from achro

[Achro]

Hello @SilverKeith two questions. Why is it unlike me to try new things? If I recall the last game we played together, draft mafia, opened with me doing something new and interesting as well. I would say it's fairly typical in games with new conditions for me to experiment.

102 is not wolf indicative for me I am afraid. I just replaced a generic reason to wolf read ladd a little with what I felt was a stronger one to tr him. Don't see why you feel that is something that is firmly in the domain of wolf achro vs town achro. What is your experience with my wolf game?

As for Taffy first off way to shade my town sorting process, but also most would agree with the process I use to sort townirs being as you described so fair.

Anyway I don't know taffy's meta but to explain I think generally it is very town indicative to look for gotchas like Taffy did with me. I feel it is more likely villagers look at past games AND also villagers don't really consider the results before cherrypicking data. Taffy got my post count right and said 'how are you going to struggle to solve?' And didn't stop to ask if I was a wolf. Or I'd town killed any wolves. Or if I posted the last day for their posts per day to be accurate. Felt very cute and town to me.

Now if this is stuff Taffy does all the time as a wolf someone will have to let me know.

Hmm

Not sure how to feel about the wall tbh. It feels like commentaryvanyone could say. It's all fine but not hearing town in you quite yet. It's not disagreeable in its conclusions but I also dont understand why you think Taffy is the best vote in wolf achro worlds as I think I would be TMIing them town if wolf with my town read of them attempting to disarm them like I did. I guess you don't need to worry too much about pairing thoughts before any flips though and maybe thats the case here.

Can you link a wolf game where you reference other games for your first vote? I find this is usually town more than scum at a rate much higher than rand in my experience and would like to see otherwise.

If Taffy does this type of thing as a wolf with proof then they haven't done much else and fair, but it would for sure never be my first thought to think wolf.

Wall was ok although not out of sk's scum range and catchup walls are kind of the easiest thing to fake. Good look if I am wrong about Taffy though as sk could have easily pivoted to me instead.

Actually maybe lean wolf which is a little annoying because in one post SK has more content than most of the player list. This day feels destined for a chop of a villager unless I am wrong on Taffy being one. Not feeling a lot of thoughts from a lot of people hmm.

I guess my problem is I don't understand the town thought process behind not voting me there if you think I am a wolf. I am very active and also in my mind kind of unpaired with Taffy for the way I talked about him as the good thing to do there w/w is to get into some type of scuffle not top town them and praise them which I feel like can be considered much more pockety than whatever I did with ladd in that post. It feels unintuitive to me. Why read intentions into ladd interaction when the wolf achro/town Taffy ones are much more obvious. I also feel like your reasoning for Taffy is weak unless this is firmly in their usual scum initiative.

Further, it feels like the difference between these two events is commenting on ladd also allows you to smoothly town read ladd almost in the background which feels unpartnered to me.

So while I don't expect this to go anywhere since you posted a nice wall and 50 posts is not going to give me any thread pull, I guess I will vote you for now.

vote:silverkeith

Not confident or anything but I at least want follow up on my points. Some more firm discussion would be nice too if possible. If not I guess we will kill whichever villager we care about least in about 12 hours and call it a day.

my 'snap vote' of keith btw.

I kind of put a lot of thought into this lol

[nebjiamn]

@dyachei @Totally not Taffy @Winston Hughes

poke

@Cuthillius / anyone whos aroundish rn

thoughts on capes posting after he like, started Playing The Game?

Not great tbh

Let’s give him another 96 hours

[EnderWiggin]

why would a member of the town ever not answer a question like that, ender? perplexing /s

nah but fr do you have any fancy words to say about any players ur kinda floating and i dont. know what ur thinking. at all rly.

gimme something

also @SilverKeith i miss u pls be alive ill be sad if ur not

I ran out of fancy words last year tbh.

[SilverKeith]

Hello losers.

I was about to say hi then mentally check out until like 3 hours before eod which is the time in which I'll be able to play but I'm actually able to read everything before going to sleep this is new to me.

[nebjiamn]

hi sk welcome to purgatory

Vote: Taffy

[SilverKeith]

hi sk welcome to purgatory

Vote: Taffy

Thanks

Vote:Taffy

[SilverKeith]

If I've not mentioned someone in my reads I didn't have anything interesting nor fun to say about them which might be wolf or town indicative for some of y'all but I'm not sure but I'll think about this later so I'm posting this now so it's a thought I put in ppl's heads.

[SilverKeith]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.

Anyway luckily for me I think I am excellent at knowing who wolfreads me is town or not because my self awareness is dumb. Taffy feels genuine.

why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.

@katze

You had a front row seat as towm before to the living hell thT is wolf achro's mind.

I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.

[nebjiamn]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.


why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.


I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.

thats same to how i felt about taffy's vote too. just feels like a conclusion was jumped to and reasoning was filled in to justify the vote

to be fair tho they did ask for visor's reasoning they just didnt wait for him to answer before voting

[ladd]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.


why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.


I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.

Cool post and super villagery imo

[ladd]

I get what yall are saying about taffy

In my mind their thought process was: see player they respect in visor vote achro--> ask why-->check for themself on achro-->find the 50 post stuff (i agree the reasoning is not great but is it something a wolf would bother to think about?)-->vote achro-->ask people opinions on achro/visor cause in their mind either visor is right or he may be a wolf



I read it as something like this and it seemed okay but obv need more



~Everyone coming in with an achro wolf read. Isitmewhoiswrong.jpg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Nah its the children

[nebjiamn]

you could very well be right ladd and it is as simple as that

i don't really feel we have much else to dig into though. i was hoping we'd see more posting and different perspectives cause it felt like the threads been stagnant for most of the day and people just didn't wanan discuss more katze/achro/cape stuff but nothings really come out beyond that and people checking back in. so here we are <18 hours to EOD and maybe yall were just right that we're launching donut boy into the void but idk

maybe this will poke people around for better or worse

[Cape90]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.


why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.


I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.

i feel like this post is trying to paint in broad strokes when it comes to suspecting people

and i find that kind of towny, though I can see the opposite argument

thats my take on this controversial post

[insomnia]

- I like Achro's approach from a "try new things" perspective tho I think it's kind of un-achro-ey. Ftr I'd have taken off the list somene who I didn't want dead just bc I wanted to play more with em.

- I didn't like Taffy's vote towards Achro. It's the kind of explanation for a vote I give when I'm wolfing. Neither them asking for opinions on Visor/Achro so early into the game.

- I decided I wasn't going to really try to read katze today at post #60.

- I don't like Insom's read on ender (#62). I think there's some dissonance between what's he's stating and the importance it should have. Idk how to explaining.


why?

- katze is a wolf per post 70. Only partially joking. Also driving woat.

- I think ladd is kinda ok just based on him reaching some v reads which I don't follow but I feel like I should follow.

- Achro explanation towards the taffy thing is illegitimate and apocryphal which is town-indicative of him yesyesyes i do believe this mmhmm.

- I've changed my mind on Achro and I think he's a wolf based on 102. I feel like if Ladd is town, and ladd's buttons clicked when Achro went like "oh I have this idea but it's ok I wasn't really attached to it" and then Ladd townread him for it, this repeat of him explicitly not being attached to ladd's wolfread feels like an appeal to those same buttons.

Also I do not like that half the procesing I've done this game is Achro-centric, tho it makes sense since he's the person who has posted more.


I read this post before my mind made the connection that it was a post made by Achro which was mildly amusing

I now regret that katze and Achro are the two players I wrote the most about because I saw the thunderdome post so I've decided to go to sleep. I'm also sorry for the catch up formatting for this post.

potentially TMI-ish read


also too lazy to quote his progression on dya, but the gist of it is that he was relatively confident they were a villager for putting him in PoE and voting him, which just seems a weird confidence read on someone you claimed you don't have much meta with?

actually i might as well do it, 1 sec

[insomnia]

i've read your wall

think it's best to let him reply before i say anything.