13er summer game thread

[nebjiamn]

wolf rangevilla range

shitpost range

btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

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[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Katze

Not enough memes.

[EnderWiggin]

btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

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I'm Commander Shepard and that was my favourite post on the Citadel.

[insomnia]

cuth seems fine in general to me but this thought in particular:



they don't really phrase like that as a wolf imo. they'd just vote me



re skimming visor ISO i mayyy have been a bit too generous there. he is fine but objectively there isnt really that much villagery

ender has a GAP between the confidence in his reads vs his reasoning for it that is pinging me a bit


the good news is that I feel cape has good odds of just being a wolf atp, the bad news is that it's prob gonna be a bit hard to find the other 2

this is where im at

[katze]

btw if this doesn't make you smile then go back to MU

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oh the formatting didnt work for me but i quoted it and see what u were trying to do and lol'd a bit

Vote: Katze

Not enough memes.

i thought i had a couple banger posts earlier but it is true that my meme game is probably fairly weak this game compared to most games. i think its like 80% the fault of the postcap because whenever im "close" to a cap i always feel really self conscious about preserving posts and this cap is low enough i kinda always feel like im close to it

maybe when the cap lifts towards eod ill earn your shitposting approval

[dyachei]

this is where im at

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him

[katze]

ive not really had a strong read in any direction on cape but i kinda expect him to die today (and have expected it most of the day) and probably wouldn't stop it

we'll see how it feels closer to eod tho

[Achro]

On the one hand I did say if I thought cape was town I should reverse that and scum read him and after cap lifts maybe I will do that. On the other hand you nerds did kill illario day one in the game I was in so I am not sure how much you lot can be trusted.

(For legal purposes this is a joke)

Anyway if cape is a wolf he was bussed already, so whatever I got the information I need to do work overnight if that happens. Probsbly good for thread to see people's positions on him too as everyone had SOMETHING to say.

But also I think sk is howling atm so I will stick there.

Anyway that's my post cap thanks for joining me on this wacky debut episode of achro tries to understand how to deduce things without posting 300 times.

[insomnia]

i kind of wonder if cape is slightly threadspewed town because almost no one is v reading him

this feels like the opposite of "he was villa read by so many people for no reason that he's spewed town", but im not exactly sure that's how it works

[katze]

ok sick achro is gone time to talk shit and cfd

vote: achro

whenever cap lifts i don't rly understand why u think sk is HOWLING i know you made the connection on how me and him viewed taffy/you dynamics differently but

shrug

on the bright side i dont think i can wolfread achro for lack of confidence anymore

[dyachei]

this feels like the opposite of "he was villa read by so many people for no reason that he's spewed town", but im not exactly sure that's how it works

i just mean that like...no one is even trying to defend him and that makes me nervous

[insomnia]

i just mean that like...no one is even trying to defend him and that makes me nervous

if he's a wolf, why would wolves be trying to defend him? his wagon was already stale and other interactions were going down that weren't pertaining to him

spew comes from the wolves

[ladd]

ive not really had a strong read in any direction on cape but i kinda expect him to die today (and have expected it most of the day) and probably wouldn't stop it

we'll see how it feels closer to eod tho

didnt you think he was a wolf and with achro or am i misremembering?


this you/acho thing is starting to get a bit concerning. i have both of you as villagery but you are both (somewhat) widely wolf read and think each other is a wolf so i feel like odds are not in my favour on it being v/v


not that i care for d1

[dyachei]

if he's a wolf, why would wolves be trying to defend him? his wagon was already stale and other interactions were going down that weren't pertaining to him

spew comes from the wolves

wolves don't always outright defend but they often will subtly defend and I'm not even seeing that

regardless of whether he's a wolf or a villager, he's being tossed aside here

[katze]

i can see the argument dya is going at "nobody is defending cape" -> "wolves are not defending cape" -> "wolves dont care if cape dies" -> "cape is town"

i dont know if i quite agree with it in this case because its honestly felt like a foregone conclusion all day (and achro kinda is defending cape is is LOCK MAFIA since he cant post (ok if it isnt obvious i dont rly wolfread him much anymore))

its kinda like c4 in my last game where he kinda just had one defender at all (ara) defending him for the sole reason that "he was probably going to get d1ed in this list regardless of alignment" altho i think that'd describe taffy this game more than cape like. sometimes that player can still just be a wolf and capes posting isnt great, ive definitely seen cape be pretty villagery and get mislunched but idt this game is rly one of them. there's a few names floating in my head i could see voting today but meh, it feels like the Right Vote to me rn

[dyachei]

i can see the argument dya is going at "nobody is defending cape" -> "wolves are not defending cape" -> "wolves dont care if cape dies" -> "cape is town"

i dont know if i quite agree with it in this case because its honestly felt like a foregone conclusion all day (and achro kinda is defending cape is is LOCK MAFIA since he cant post (ok if it isnt obvious i dont rly wolfread him much anymore))

its kinda like c4 in my last game where he kinda just had one defender at all (ara) defending him for the sole reason that "he was probably going to get d1ed in this list regardless of alignment" altho i think that'd describe taffy this game more than cape like. sometimes that player can still just be a wolf and capes posting isnt great, ive definitely seen cape be pretty villagery and get mislunched but idt this game is rly one of them. there's a few names floating in my head i could see voting today but meh, it feels like the Right Vote to me rn

i kind of see cape and taffy as very similar for d1 chances tbh

[Winston Hughes]

why do you think im maliciously pressing buttons this game as opposed to innocently? like, why is the why scummy rather than townie iyo?

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

[katze]

didnt you think he was a wolf and with achro or am i misremembering?


this you/acho thing is starting to get a bit concerning. i have both of you as villagery but you are both (somewhat) widely wolf read and think each other is a wolf so i feel like odds are not in my favour on it being v/v


not that i care for d1

oh good timing

ive been kinda lightening up on him, i felt like he was lightening up on me earlier (yes i know i made a post that directly implied otherwise, this was mostly me messing with him but also a funny post regardless of accuracy imo)

if cape is a wolf ill probably give achro a big ol' squint for it and then probably solve him ignoring it anyways because i know there is some truth in "achro usually townleans a wolf d1" so like. idk ive definitely burnt myself on townreading people for shitty reasons because i want to be right on someone who is kinda controversial. but obv he can just be a wolf defending a bro

if cape flips like a wolf PR or something id probably feel worse about it but given that's setup speculation i don't want to get into it beyond that

wolves don't always outright defend but they often will subtly defend and I'm not even seeing that

regardless of whether he's a wolf or a villager, he's being tossed aside here

yea he definitely is kinda being tossed aside i agree w that

i think in this game that means less for his alignment than in other games though. if hes a wolf i dont think many people would find much to defend him off of his opening string of posts, which objectively werent GOOD and were easy to wolfread

his later string i tried to see if people would bite onto as being villagery but nobody really did, i didnt think they were great

i kind of see cape and taffy as very similar for d1 chances tbh

if you asked me pregame who had hte highest odds of getting d1ed just off the playerlist id prob have said taffy, but cape would be a runner up probs

there's a small bit of fear in the vote for me because of this but im mostly ignoring it because i don't care enough to get myself into a mental war with myself based off of something like that again

[Winston Hughes]

I started that response sober...

[Winston Hughes]

katze = obvscum for distracting me from drunken shitposting by being interesting

[ladd]

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)


villas
ladd
benneh
cuth
dya


thinner villas
insomnia
winston


wanna say v/v, but there may be 1 here cause of game state
katze
achro

had as villagery at some point but back to null
sk
visor

PoE
taffy - mostly benneh sheep, blame him eheh
ender


hopefully just a wolf
cape90



feels SUPER lazy but its how i feel so nothing i can do about it. i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager lol


we'll see how EoD plays out


bbl

[nebjiamn]

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

sick post

i hope you're a wolf cause this is a masterpiece

[dyachei]

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)


villas
ladd
benneh
cuth
dya


thinner villas
insomnia
winston


wanna say v/v, but there may be 1 here cause of game state
katze
achro

had as villagery at some point but back to null
sk
visor

PoE
taffy - mostly benneh sheep, blame him eheh
ender


hopefully just a wolf
cape90



feels SUPER lazy but its how i feel so nothing i can do about it. i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager lol


we'll see how EoD plays out


bbl

talk to me about cuth?

[katze]

i guess my spiciest take is that dya is a villager loll

can u explain how u were feeling about dya before their suspicion on benneh?

i think i know the answer but i want u to type it anyway

[ladd]

talk to me about cuth?

i think their posts and thoughts are good. As I said idt they make the below post as a wolf - they'd just vote me given their wolf mojo imo:

i think i've forgotten how to play werewolf

i wanted to snapvote ladd for his first (?) post last night but i don't want to do that any more

and this was a pretty villagery explanation on cape:

my best case on cape is that they were shitposting with me and then they just didn't respond at all when i responded a little acerbically and a part of me ~strongly feels that that could be a nervous wolf thing to do lol because you're scared to answer weirdly and get my attention but it's rvs so you can get away with not engaging

but i don't love how people are treating the slot otherwise so i've been cooling on that recently

that lines up with how they played in their opening

[ladd]

can u explain how u were feeling about dya before their suspicion on benneh?

i think i know the answer but i want u to type it anyway

not great lol

i def had them leaning on the wolfy side more (not by much tho) but didnt really wanna get pushback if they were a villager so i waited and it seems like that was the correct move

[dyachei]

i think their posts and thoughts are good. As I said idt they make the below post as a wolf - they'd just vote me given their wolf mojo imo:



and this was a pretty villagery explanation on cape:



that lines up with how they played in their opening

ok

i think you're a villager here

and I really like your points on cuth

[ladd]

ok

i think you're a villager here

and I really like your points on cuth

sounds good to me

[dyachei]

you know what's surprising? cape has like 20 posts and i honestly couldnt have told you that he had posted

[katze]

ok i accidentally closed the tab i was replying to winston to thinking i already replied so fuck me i guess but

tldr: yeah thats kind of how i type which i think ppl can attest to and i don't particularly mind your suspicion since im always generally confident in talking myself out of being executed i just ask a lot of questions to make people post more content that they can be read off of and i think your reply to me is a good start for you

i dont think you're interested in reading other games since thats for nerds but https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...76#post6573876 my last towngame if u want to see how i type there, its also my last (real) game so i guess i could say im a bit rusty



@ ladd i kinda thought u SR dya harder earlier but alrighty, i kiiiinda think they might be getting a bit too much of a pass for the benneh sus but its not something im interested in exploring today anyways because i agree they've generally tended up a decent bit



probs last post for a bit since im dangerously close to gap so anyone who posts in the next hour is legally obligated to explain their posts more than they intended to so i dont have to pop in and ask them to do it <3