13er summer game thread

[Achro]

Anyway, that being said good morning friends and foes alike.

I don’t really mind dying today if you all can’t gel with my world view, it’ll probably make each side happier and it is just a fun, chill game after all.

Anyway I found the Ladd kill a little odd at first, not that I would tunnel him or anything - that was mostly to reflect back on after the fact and see how people moved around others - but he was undoubtedly the leader yesterday who sent us into the rocks of a Cape kill.

So, why kill Ladd? I think it is either something else he posted, or what he would have thought after reflecting on the fact Cape was town over night. So I’m going to put my Ladd cap on and try to go over the thread a bit before I have to leave, not sure how much I will get done.

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

So in total I need to find 3 scum in 9 names

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Cuth
Benneh
Winston
Visor
Taffy
Dya

And my starting premise is Katze/Insomnia are unlikely to be w/w. Alright then.

My first town core slot is going to Taffy. 95% confidence on this one. For starters, I know personally my ability to perceive intent on who votes me has a stellar track record, I’d give that 90% by itself, but the thread state of poking Taffy a lot over what I thought was an interesting and towny way of voting me brings it up another 5%. I know they are a skilled player, so I leave myself open to being fooled as we haven’t played together before and that’s where my social reads are weakest, but as of this moment I think I’d just lose to Taffy for that play + the thread state around them.

Which that alone now makes my job reading day 1 kind of a lot easier. I now have 5 villagers in my head that I can see how the other 8 suspects interacted with to see who pushed pro-town agenda, who pushed anti-town agenda, who coasted along, and who is unclear even with this.

Cool, that’s a lot of data. But let’s try to add at least 1-2 more likely town to this list to make it even better.

I liked Cuth in general yesterday but soured in real time in EOD, however if Ender is willing to let that go so am I, who am I to OMGUS for another man? So I’ll put Cuth in my town pile.

taffy
cape
ender
dya
sk

i don't realy think i'd wanna actually vote dya or sk but they're the bottom of my reads. sk more nullish and dya slightly wolfy

I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK @nebjiamn

(This isn’t loaded I don’t understand)

Dya I warmed back on due to these posts:

cape
benneh
cuth
sk

not in any order

Wolves typically complete assignments as asked, Katze asked for 5 names but said less was ok, and Dya took the opportunity to give less. Not hugely confident, but a note.

i feel like when cuth commented it wasn't very memorable and didn't really move the thread at all. That's why cuth

I felt yesterday this was like me - concerned about moving the thread. There was a lot of dead air around Cape and I am presuming Taffy yesterday, so when Dya had cuth listed because the thread wasn’t being moved I really liked that comment a lot. It felt like a non-obvious mindmeld of concern for the state of things. I didn’t feel pandered to or manipulated, although I don’t know dya’s complete wolf range it is enough for me to slot them into my town pile for now.

Ender (Poisond)
Taffy
Cuth
Dya


Current town pile, leaving me with:

Katze
Insomnia
SK
Benneh
Winston
Visor

3 wolves, 3 villagers. I do not believe Katze/Insomnia are paired.


I paused for a second to wonder what Visor is even talking about, and now my head is back to hurting.

SK probably has wolf equity. I was running strats at EOD and was handwaving people as towny/wolfy to try to see where the chaos led, my town read on SK was pretty weak tbh.

I will leave it here for now as I am overdoing it I think still, but my direction is pretty clear atm. Go through the thread and see how the above six moved around the other 7 players and try to find the 3 most pockety/predatory among them while keeping an eye out for signs of being partnered.

Cool.

[Visor]

you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

[Achro]

you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you

I voted like 3 different counter wagons.

If I did nothing, you did some sort of imaginary number of things?

Like Visor, what? I don't have a dayvig.

[insomnia]

i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

[Achro]

i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

Please tell me why you believe this is?

[insomnia]

Please tell me why you believe this is?

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

[Achro]

seems pretty obvious?

his poe was ender / taffy / cape. what’s there to do other than re-eval from his PoV?

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

[Visor]

Vote: dyachei

[insomnia]

If Taffy was in his poe that's not a re evaluate though? That's simply reinforcing his world view? I am confused.

i guess my point is she is villagery

[nebjiamn]

I said this was a town post yesterday. Now I am not so sure in the cold light of day because it might fit into wolf agenda. Keeping Cape as the focus by having them in their list of five, but setting up possible kills on SK/Dya later on. I think this isn’t a post a wolf would typical make if they were paired with either dya or SK, but I say that with about 70% confidence so a lot of room to be wrong, but I’d still be inclined to believe it. Now that I am thinking about it after a night’s sleep I don’t really understand the reasoning behind not pushing someone you think has been slightly wolfy in favor of letting the thread drift to Cape as town. You said SK and dya were at the bottom of your reads and SK was nullish which meant that cape and ender were nullish at worst too, what led you to being OK with voting one of them out but not dya or SK @nebjiamn

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

[Achro]

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

That's true. Can you walk me through what you think about the ladd kill, the ender poison, and what it means for your thoughts on the game as a whole? I'll check back in later but your list of 5 got rocked by things and you felt dya was more villagery after. I saw you thinking SK could be shady, which is a take I am considering.

You showed an interest in Visor/me/(katze too) earlier, what do you think about Visor's sentiment that I did 'nothing' to stop Cape from going over? Do you think this angle of attack on me about my positioning on Cape is more consistent with w!visor or v!visor?

[nebjiamn]

That's true. Can you walk me through what you think about the ladd kill, the ender poison, and what it means for your thoughts on the game as a whole? I'll check back in later but your list of 5 got rocked by things and you felt dya was more villagery after. I saw you thinking SK could be shady, which is a take I am considering.

You showed an interest in Visor/me/(katze too) earlier, what do you think about Visor's sentiment that I did 'nothing' to stop Cape from going over? Do you think this angle of attack on me about my positioning on Cape is more consistent with w!visor or v!visor?

do me a favor and remind me of this ask 12 hours from now if i dont respond

ive pulled an allnighter prepping somethin for work and my brain is mush rn

[Winston Hughes]

I have a terrible confession to make...

[nebjiamn]

I have a terrible confession to make...

tell me in wolf chat before you spill the beans here

[Winston Hughes]

tell me in wolf chat before you spill the beans here

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

[Achro]

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

Lmao

*moves Winston to town pile*

[nebjiamn]

Would that I were a wolf, so I could confess there, among friends, instead of here in the unforgiving glare of the public eye.

But...

Looking back over eod, I realised that I got mixed up between you and ender, such that I thought it was him who had made the obviously nonsense cop claim.

is this the post you're talking about achro?

[Achro]

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

@katze got this from benneh d2

[katze]

if the team is benneh/cuth then dya had a poe of 4 with all 3 wolves like halfway into d1 what a legend

if its achro/x then taffy had a pretty elite early d1 too (and if not then their townreads were still p good on contested slots)

fun to reread with flips in mind

[Achro]

if the team is benneh/cuth then dya had a poe of 4 with all 3 wolves like halfway into d1 what a legend

if its achro/x then taffy had a pretty elite early d1 too (and if not then their townreads were still p good on contested slots)

fun to reread with flips in mind

The why are you booing me meme since text covered up some

[Totally not Taffy]

Yesterday Taffy didn’t like my insecurity, but that was just me reminding myself that I don’t know a lot of you and to make sure my processes are sound.

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.

Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
insomnia(3): SK, Achro, Cuth
Ender(2): benneh, Winston
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy
ladd(1): Cape
Sk(1): Dya

If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.

Ladd is gone, Cape is gone, and Ender is poisoned. My first thought is this could make insomnia/katze town and the people I am looking for are those that allowed the game state to drift to Cape all day yesterday rather than those that voted him out. A hands off approach, if you will. But I don’t think it’d ever be both Insomnia and Katze with those choice of NK/Poison, although wolves have surprised me before. I say that with… I guess 85% confidence, so some room for error but I think I am right on it.

SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

[dyachei]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

[Visor]

im not really feeling a taffy elim. Idk it just feels like the lhf that wolves are looking for

i havent been looking for it therefore i cant be a wolf

checkmate atheists

[Achro]

Ftr you're still pinging me with things like "I solve better with meta" "I removed Dyachei bc I have a way to read them and maybe SK but not the others" then you make your Katze reads based on meta from previous games together.





If I had to pick a wolf based only on this VC it'd be Dyachei.




SoD you assumed the poisoner was a town who didn't think Ender would be NKed for his claim or voted out if he lived till D3, now you're assuming the poisoner is a wolf. I like that you're listening to feedback, but we don't actually know either of these things. Either option is possible, as is a setup with an SK poisoner, for example.

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town. I have seen a lot of town poisoner lately tbh.

Anyway if you can't find me by eod I am fine being voted out since I don't really want to be around at mylo to be voted on by someone I strongly town read lol. It's like the worst type of feeling.

Sorry that you are pinged by my thoughts, you aren't alone tbh I get that a lot and I try to make myself clear but sometimes the way I think about things is opaque and it is hard for me to make others see exactly what I see. If you have specific questions about any of my points/suspicions about them it would really help me if you pointed them out directly so I can understand. Thanks!

[Winston Hughes]

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."

[EnderWiggin]

I'm also not confident on SK rn but I don't feel he's the slamdunk wolf other people think he is.

[Totally not Taffy]

He plays very similarly as both alignments, I will agree. Do you have a read either way on him at all?

He hasn't done anything towny but I don't want to kill him today. Slightly below neutral?

Fwiw I too thought your confession was a town poisoner claim at first, but then I remembered that you voted Ender yesterday so that's probably what you were talking about.

[Achro]

vote: achro

Alright. I just don't think I am meant to gel with this town. Gl town, but I don't have the posts or the will to continue this game at present. The reasons I am being suspected are unclear to me. The solving is incoherent. People feel like they are sleep walking and I am not having an enjoyable experience. That's OK, it happens sometimes. It's probably my fault tbh.

One of the worst feelings in the world as a solver is trying to solve and people you are pretty sure are town thinking everything you do is suspicious. I try to solve with ender because a lot of our reads match up and instead he votes without any questions to me or anything.

So I give up. Sorry for not doing well, I apparently didn't do a good job of getting my thoughts out and I don't have the energy atm to argue with people who don't want to ask questions.

I'm a vanilla, obviously.

I will check back in 24 hours to see if I am dead or not. I stand by my logic on all of my solving up until this point.