13er summer game thread

[Totally not Taffy]

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

[Visor]

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

damn villagery post bronana, whyd you have to do that

i think people are just failing to adjust to the fact i am never tryharding a ww game ever again

[dyachei]

damn villagery post bronana, whyd you have to do that

i think people are just failing to adjust to the fact i am never tryharding a ww game ever again

not tryharding ever again just makes you more likely to be a wolf imo :/

[Achro]

vote: SK

I have decided katze is probably town whose marketing for this chop needs a lot of revisement.

But also I made a bad change of read eod and I will go back to sk being frozen and crying in wolf chat as in my current world view there are no viable teams that do not involve him.

Cool cool. Cool.

[Visor]

not tryharding ever again just makes you more likely to be a wolf imo :/

i certainly didnt tryhard the last game i played on here as a villager lol

[Achro]

@katze hello ask me anything solving friend.

Several hours of amime and Broadway music have given me renewed resolve and I am at peace.

Why is katze town? Well I haven't ever faced pack wolf katze but I was considering something that I said yesterday about me and katze were the ones churning butter and I stopped to consider that I think that might be contrary to what the wolves motives were yesterday with how much momentum cape had. Katze also has chosen in a chill game to go after the other top poster which as scum seems not needed to have good thread position and you know be chill. Certainly not to the extent that they have so far. It makes much more intuitive sense that katze sees me as an unknown threat and is treading through tough sledding because they think if they don't wolf achromatic can win. So that's where I get town.


Atm I am at sk/insomnia/? Because sk's vote on insomnia reminded me strongly of suspicion I placed on boq last time I was here. Boq got close to dying as my wolf partner but I read the threadstate correctly and understood he was never in actual danger. I think wolf sk would be looking for that same consideration here to distance. Plus sk has had minimal thread presence, I don't think he was looking to deep wolf at eod and going against the momentum of a cape chop to try to Jill another town feels like an unneeded risk. So I think this was a distancing move and that's why it didn't add up very well. It was meant to be a sloppy attack and for wolves to kind of concede sk today but be set up by that.

I have to back read day 1 still but I saw you said you would be busy tomorrow so I thought I would share some thoughts there.

[insomnia]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

[Achro]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

All things are possible. I just don't see the angle for sk to do that when it is my belief that wolves cultivated a stale thread state to suddenly be the starter of a wagon on a villager who for all they know might have some form of recourse against the sudden attack.

Its a matter of probability to me. I will see if the things I am assuming atm make sense when I read back or if the evidence contradicts this. Do not worry if you are town I will do my best to find you.

[SilverKeith]

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

[SilverKeith]

Also I just got to the part where Achro votes me which in turn makes some of my posts today re:his read on me make less sense and also he self votes so I'll just pretend those two things didn't happen.

Winston is my current blindspot and idk how to feel about him other than he's doing stuff which I kinda think is ok but at the same time I don't have a mental image of him so he might just be wolfing but other people seem to be ok with him so I'll be ok with him too.

Cuth is kind of there too. I think he falls on the same spot that Benneh/dya are in that I feel like they've talked about w!sk but haven't really made good arguments and rather focused on "x is wolfy by the wolfington wolfing 101 manual and sk did x therefore sk is a wolf". I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

[Visor]

Good posts sk

Now idk what to do lmao

I'll read in full when I get home

[SilverKeith]

Going to sleep.

Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
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I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.

Winston
Cuth
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I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.

Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
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Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.

Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.

[katze]

i dont like that it feels like achro is reducing my uncertainty on him as me being paranoid of him because he owned me once

like if that didnt happen id probably be less unsure but i'm pretty confident i'd still be unsure and it wouldn't make his SK stuff make any more sense to me

i also dont like bennehs last post rly i kinda feel like he has TMI that SK/Achro arent w/w lol (and probably w/v in some order...?)

I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

they're not, but i believe they've spectated a fair few games so they probably know you better than you know them - but i also feel like that post has nothing to do with knowing you and it sounds like a vibe read "these people arent trying to be towny so i wouldnt be surprised if there was a villager

I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.

If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them.

i feel like the progression from A to B here is... weird? i dunno

I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

why is dya not the kind of wolf to make that push
why is benneh the kind of wolf to make that push
why is your gth on cuth being not that kind of wolf
what does me being verbose mean in your opinion

im assuming these are all "meta" but you also earlier said you dont rly know the people here that well so im nitpicking a bit but i dont know if i actually dislike the posts but i also want you to expand

gn

idk what visor is doing

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[Cuthillius]

benneh my brain is too fried to respond properly rn maybe either i was barking way up a wrong tree earlier or clarity will descend upon me with the morning dew

i think most of your counterarguments are more a matter of opinion/perspective than anything that's helpful to discuss

and i looked back and you had more progression on ender/taffy than i remembered

the posts that stood out to me looking back were your comment to me that it's looking more and more likely that cape's a wolf and the way you pushed ender and you were like it's been working so far

and maybe that's the sticking point is i have a hard time believing that you really felt that strongly about ender's likelihood of being a wolf in that situation

i know i voted him later and stuff but idk i guess my issue with your d1 is that you were pushing super strongly and linearly? onto a grouping of people that might have a single wolf in them, but likely don't (i haven't really had my own opinion about taffy at any point during this game)

and it's not an issue of results per se-- i know you can be wrong as v-- but looking at your play on d1 i don't feel enough doubt or second-guessing along the line to pushing like 4 people who are generally more vulnerable in this kind of list, one of whom max is town, for the entire second half of the phase basically

that's what's gross

i don't give a damn if people called you villagery d1 lol that's basically irrelevant imo since the people who were actually putting much weight behind that at all were ladd and then katze

[Cuthillius]

ignore the first sentence i talked myself back into it as i went lmao