Cereal killer mafia

[ladd]

I think this is probably the first Ladd post I've seen and immediately just agreed with without reservations.

i dont get how you can make this statement when d1 i basically said part of what you said about monty before you and iirc we had similarish reads

and now of all statements to agree with...its wanting more out of rask/wisdom which is something so generic




and now you apparentely think i am a wolf - why? because i am pushing you and i pushed you another game before when I was a villager? idk man that doesnt make much sense to me, am i not allowed to push you anymore cause 1 game i was a wolf in i pushe dyou lol


i think i have explained fairly well why i think you are a wolf this game (it doesnt take a lot of imagination to think of a world where you are a wolf) but just in case i'll re explain it:

you voted monty in what was basicall RVS on pg.1 for (imo) a silly reason, then you turned that into a real (and your only) push towards EoD by quoting basically every post in monty iso and calling it wolfy

then you made this post to monty:

Heya Monty.

Can I have some brief top town/top wolf reads from ya?

Just like... idk

First 3 names for either like Taffy did to pocket you.

which to me really reads like the classic wolf trying to appease the villager they are pushing by asking some generic questions they don't care to have the answer to (which visor iirc called out, which is why i am even more confuse dby him backing off today)


then from this point on, you have 0 interactions, re valaution or pondering/doubt on monty alignment until you snipe him at the end of EoD:

Vote: Monty

Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming

hope this helps


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[Raskolnikov]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147), Sleep (#229), Ender (#256)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11), Monty (#274)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232)

vote barto

Making bringing the only wolf up to form 3-3-3 wagons is not how busses happen. Suibian is pretty much lock town now.

How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?

[Jan]

im not trying to be snarky - i just feel disappointed lol (hard to explain - i guess its just i know you are a good player so when i see this im like cmon bronana)

[Raskolnikov]

The better part is that Visor would hate someone pushing him for these very reasons lol, dude wants the right to slank as a villa but apparently we poor villas will be denied the favor. rip

inb4 Visor is just a wolf throwing this at town!Wisdom for giggles (don't really believe it but would be hilarious).

[Raskolnikov]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?

To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?

[ladd]

To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?

i was gonna let wisdom answer but they meant to bring it 3/3/3 with monty/wisdom/barto where the only wolf (out of those 3) was barto

so ya not a slip and not really of interest imo

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[Wisdom]

Smh Rask ^^
But yeah, what ladd said.

Going out for today, might not come back.
Btw how can you see your daily post count?

[ladd]

vote:sleep

Sorry but the more i read the more you feel the odd one out and i get the feeling you regret subbing in the game (which is prob true regardless of your alignment i guess)


Gotta go for a bit but i have basically the week off work so i may even stay awake for eod who knows

Bbl

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[Suibian]

I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.

[ladd]

I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.

Whats your reads rn?

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[Raskolnikov]

Btw how can you see your daily post count?

You count them manually

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[Suibian]

Whats your reads rn?

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Everybody’s town!

I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.

[Sleep]

hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly

[Syn]

I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.

this was my angleshoot-y wisdom town read btw

[Jan]

hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly

the game is slow enough to take a day off. No worries.

[Syn]

tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.

Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.

Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.

The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.

su l8r.


edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally

this is a wolf post

[Suibian]

Everybody’s town!

I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.

Rask, wisdom, sleep, ender are the ones I need to review the most I think.

[Raskolnikov]

Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true

[Syn]

Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true

unvote: Sleep

vote: Raskol

[Sleep]

just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points

- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning

- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig

- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests

- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people

- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me

- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure

[Sleep]

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy

- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point


unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now

[Jan]

- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests

To me, wisdom read as a villager for being non-apologetic and going against the grain early on.

Nobody has agreed with that at all so I am willing to let it go. Just curious if you think that speaks to wisdoms alignment.

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HYPE!

I suppose I don't need to play. No one does. Rask got this!

The initial post is basically begging for heat and someone to jump on it.
It is a clear joke but so easy to get called out on the lazy part of it esp if you don't plan to deliver afterwards.

I hereby proclaim that both Rask and Syn are town!
Reason: Gut instinct

My opinion is that last time I opened thread we were still in rvs ^^ I'm waiting until the game actually starts before I start reading people!

Again a post that is so unashamed but invites people to turn up the heat.

Gut wolves
Jan
Syn

I hope you can steer me the right way if I'm wrong here friend!

Syn is more jokey than snarky which I tend to find wolfy from him
Jan is only gut, didn't vibe with how easy he called me town, but I haven't actually tried to read him properly in years (I think we've only played mashes) so I have no clue.

Wisdom afterwards giving reads but important to note is that those reads were unique at the time this is not the easy out of following the consensus.
And both of those takes feel believable tbh.

[Syn]

taffy where is u

[ladd]

wrt Wisdom -

I don't think they have done anything unfakeable at all but I also don't really think they have been particularly wolfy?

I kinda liked how they went super quickly from having me as a villa read:

So upon catch upon I grew confident on two more town reads:

Suibian - I think it's self explanatory, from my PoV the way he's written those walls are calm and transparent, focused without the agenda. Think he's bleeding town, and trying to figure out what it means for cape bringing it up first (probably nothing, slight plus?).

Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).

Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.

to this below:

Nice, Jan is also town.

[Taffy, Syn, Suibian, Jan, Ladd?] town

Least confident on ladd now that I see some objectively towny stuff but I can keep him in the box for now!

5 to go, who even plays this game?

[Visor, Ender, Sleep, Cape, Rask]

If I can get 1 more town read (hoping one of them got docced) and decide where to vote this game is probably cracked! But that's in a bit.

Will try to be available for 9 hours if someone wanna vibe! Meanwhile it's time get out of bed ^^

feels like the classic paranoia that sadly villagers seem to have towards me lol

I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw

@Wisdom How did you come up with these 3 names?

[ladd]

So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207

Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.

It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.

Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p

I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)

you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom

if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics

Going to bed

vote: Montmercy

Glgl

man this vote is pretty meh

was it sheeping me still? cause:

1) I voted barto like 10 posts before this one

2) monty had been posting on the page previous to this vote, did you read his posts? did you have any thoughts on them?



just so i dont waste another post on this - i re skimmed visor ISO just in case and i am okay locking him in as a villager and redy to be snowed again

he is hitting all his villa notes to me

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[Suibian]

oh and Suibian is back to being town





quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town



It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words





(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)

Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty



And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.



And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto

I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all

I’m on my phone so can’t cut this down, sorry. That makes sense, and sometimes I am swayed by other people’s words, especially when I’m feeling very unconfident about a read, think some of my reasoning is silly, and when it comes from someone I respect in general and their words make sense to me. It doesn’t mean I will for every read, but definitely for some. I can be quite waffly in general and go back and forth between things I’m not sure of.

[ladd]

I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)

this is a pretty villagery thought


i dunno, i was getting a bit worried about tammy cause idk them at all and getting by as a wolf by posting walls in such a slow game is a pretty easy strat (which is a bit unfari on my part cause its also a perfectly fine playstyle as a villager) but all their thoughts sound good/villagery to me and people who have meta there seem to believe tammy is just a villager so i am cool with them


i re read cape posts and i am gonna demote him 1 tier cause while they sound good, most of the good stuff is immediately after sub in and its pretty easy to post the way he has as a wolf i think. Don't see anything clearing tho i still feel guilty about mislunching him last game so i wont touch him today


i also did something i havent done in years and skimmed a rask wolf game for some meta. their posting here def feels better to me tho I think they have another gear if they are a villager and can fully clear themselves


also saw some minor cape/ender w/w looking stuff while reading back, wonder if that could make sense


right now i am at

v
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
visor
tammy

the rest
sleep -not sure how to read their play this game, feel like they have done nothing ai lol

wisdom - going back and forth. i am slightlyyyy more on them being v than w now i think

rask - similar to above sometimes i want to move them up and sometimes i wanna lunch them. right now i am more on the former but hope to see more between now and eod. if them/wisdom is v/v thats rough for the gamestate right now tho

ender - idk, objectively to me it's still the slot who has the wolfiest stuff but i also wanna honour visor read here

cape - never bee great at reading cape, wanna see more beyond the isos



not ordered

will be back before eod to pick a vote

vote:unvote

[ladd]

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

i dont think i suggested you before cape turned on you fwiw

cape hasnt posted since i voted you



rest of your points seem reasonable


man if taffy doesnt post before eod...that's rough

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[Sleep]

ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.

wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote

unvote

[Raskolnikov]

you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom

if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics

I have never been confident in ender/wisdom, reread my posts. I had an early TR on Wisdom (Tammy posted the post I liked about Syn/me being vv a bit earlier, which reminded some takes from v!Wisdom but these are still all in all ez to make so that read didn't quite stick), but then was left with people I liked more SOD2 hence their positionning in my reads.

Basically both reads were independant.

Now about wagonomics, below are the last VCs of D1:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Votal 1.4

Monty (4) - Ender (#16), Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Rask (3) - Taffy (#11), Syn (#12), Monty (#13)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Syn (1) - Sleep (#84)
Wisdom (1) - Visor (#147)

Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147), Sleep (#229), Ender (#256)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11), Monty (#274)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232)

Votal 1.7 - EoD1

Monty (4) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185), Ender (#299)
Barto (4) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175), Suibian (#277), Visor (#298)
Wisdom (2) - Sleep (#229), Monty (#299)
Rask (1) - Syn (#279)
Syn (1) - Taffy (289)



El Barto has been yeeted. Flip incoming.

You can see that Wisdom went from having one vote to being top wagon before EOD shenanigans. IIRC before sleep and Ender voted them, several folks, including you/Visor had voiced the fact they had me as maybe villa and that the stuff on to Monty were not so hot (you posted something like that for sure). So maybe it's a stretch, but I can definatly see Wisdom being another villa wagon built up to help avoiding El Barto flip.


Gonna revisit this EOD with a town!Ender mindset to see if I can make sense of it.