17er Saints and Martyrs

[Logic]

Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.

Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)

Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom

Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta

Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.

[Raskolnikov]

I think this reads as overly defensive for what is basically a pinprick of pressure.

lol I just read another post where you were articulating a town read, was just wondering.

I am just asking for a global view of the game, if you have one. I mean

[Wisdom]

I'll assume you meant to say "enough to warrant a *wolf* read, though" here

and noted

Yep, wolf read, thanks!
Words are hard, good thing I'm not an author or anything

[GeneralHankerchief]

Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.

Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)

Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom

Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta

Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.

why is Gemma town?

[nebjiamn]

Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.

Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)

Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom

Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta

Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.

I have no idea how you are wolf reading Zack here

[Raskolnikov]

@Jan: what is your spiciest read? what the rest of this day should be about? (noted your posts about Syn)

[Raskolnikov]

lol I just read another post where you were articulating a town read, was just wondering.

I am just asking for a global view of the game, if you have one. I mean

doubling-down on this because actually Logic is rubbing me the wrong way. Like it feels you didn't notice my earlier posts about murska. Accusing me of a chainsaw defense of him (even if not worded, it's basically what your "overly defensive" means) is a bit sketchy tbh.

[GeneralHankerchief]

doubling-down on this because actually Logic is rubbing me the wrong way. Like it feels you didn't notice my earlier posts about murska. Accusing me of a chainsaw defense of him (even if not worded, it's basically what your "overly defensive" means) is a bit sketchy tbh.

doesn't matter, he's town

drop it and focus elsewhere

[Raskolnikov]

doesn't matter, he's town

drop it and focus elsewhere

[Jan]

@Jan: what is your spiciest read? what the rest of this day should be about? (noted your posts about Syn)

Spice?
Maybe:

are you kidding? Putting a second vote on someone at the start of day is nowhere near a bus, I could switch it off later for pretty much any reason (like I just did).

As a reaction to you thinking he would not be w/w with arctic based on his quick vote.
At the time I thought it might actually spew arctic if Murska is a wolf and the whole reaction felt like a bit much.

I have overreacted because somebody simply made a bad read before, but this read only implies if you are Murska is a wolf so it should not matter.

But I am fairly aware that I have red tinted glasses when reading Murska posts at the moment.


Most other stuff is not spicey. if your read is correct then ladd and wisdom jump up in my reads.


Gemma is a really weird spot because she clearly joined the thread with a plan but never really did anything with it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

She enters thread by copying the same format someone else used earlier.
This is to some extend a call back to a joke, but also makes it clear she has read some of the thread and that this might not be an rvs vote.

Vote: GH

(real)

After which there is talk about missing the rvs phase but wanting to shitpost. Which she didn't really do that much outside of 1 prepared post.

She then quotes me while I am talking about not wanting to play ww at this moment and asks this:

por que no los dos

whats your gh read tea leaves welcome

GH at this point has no real content and only shitposts. Really odd person to ask to be read. All of it felt like she had an agenda either towards me or gh or both but I was not sure what her alignment is.
She went into her initial posts with a plan and the plan was not shitposting. The shitposting was some dress up on the side.

Dunno just a thought that has been in my head ever since but never felt like there is a reason to push on it.

[dyachei]

I've been waiting to see if gh dropped the shield or not. I'm pretty happy to not have to worry much about logic. Sorry, logic, you're just a hard read for me

[Hally]

sup

i skimmed what i missed overnight and i still feel like logic is just a wolf? his posts are just bad imo, and not like bad in a way that strikes me in a oddball villa type way. they are just straight up not good. i do recall logic being weird as town but iirc you could usually see past that and find the villager in him, whereas here when i read his posts i’m like “water u doin pal lol,” which is how i recall reacting when he’s a wolf. idk it just seems like he’s struggling and i’m not sure i buy this is how he reacts to the push on him as a villager. he feels kinda resigned to it almost? like him saying zack is wolfy for pushing him felt super limp and like he feels like he’s “supposed” to sus zack for that but it feels like he just slapped it on cuz he’s not actually digging into why zack might have the read or whether it actually makes sense for w!zack to go so hard at him D1 or anything else that would actually tell him what zack’s alignment is beyond the level 0 of “zack is wrong about me so i should sus him for that” (ftr i think zack is a pretty obvious villager atp regardless of logic’s alignment)


jan is prob also villager. don’t really have an exciting reason but i just buy his posts idk, feels like villa jan imo

also still think rask is v, stronger now than before though because i don’t really think he needs to go so hard at syn as wolf

gonna try to firm up some town reads outside zack/jan/rask cuz i’m realizing that i don’t think i really town read anyone else and a lot of people are blending together in my head lol


re: ladd - i’m a bit skeeved out by how much he’s amplifying my wolf read on arctic and doesn’t seem to have anyone else he thinks is wolfy besides syn which is not really that inspiring. but it’s also entirely possible that he came to his read on arctic independently and just wasn’t there to post about it so i don’t wanna hold that against him, i just get scared when people agree with me like that lol, especially cuz his read on me seems to have nothing to do with it when it should be by far the most significant thing i’ve posted particularly from his pov? idk man


as i was typing this i got distracted by work stuff and forgot what else i wanted to say so uh hitting submit

[Arctic]

ladd pushing me on the basis that my reason for sussing rask feels massively worse given what he said he had to suspect hally for (some post that felt like trying to fit in when he was fine with everything else she said?) but i dunno.. it kind of feels twtbaw almost

idk how i'm supposed to read logic when he's kinda just talking about people having similar pfps lmao (This isn't shade I'm more just like.. wtf) but I guess him going like "these ppl should be reading me correctly" when he had done like nothing readable at that point feels kinda towny. and it looks like visor+wisdom had the same thought

HI WISDOM

[Hally]

doesn't matter, he's town

drop it and focus elsewhere

lol right as i was feeling confident logic is a wolf

you should call yourself GeneralBuzkill


fr though, you’re gonna have to help me out here

[Arctic]

oh hey i remembered right lmao

i was sure dya made a villa read on gh for not tryharding in some other game here:

this is like not at all what happened here

not tryharding does not equate to doing literally nothing AI which was the case in this game, and also in this game part of what made it wolfy from dya was the fact this was the first read they decided to make

it wouldn't read wolfy if someone asked them to give a gth take on GH or they forced it later in the game cuz they didn't have a take on GH yet, but the reason it's problematic is cuz it just wasn't necessary at all and it's a weird place for a villa to be focused

i'm coming for you when dya flips wolf (yes this implies a level of confidence that i haven't previously expressed, but i came to the realization earlier that i have not actually misread dya as far as i can remember and this just flat out feels like their wolfgame and i feel like you should know this too)

[Arctic]

I don't really know what syn is doing and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about half the game saying they sound normal and half the game saying they sound off cuz this means nothing to me

[ladd]

this is like not at all what happened here

not tryharding does not equate to doing literally nothing AI which was the case in this game, and also in this game part of what made it wolfy from dya was the fact this was the first read they decided to make

it wouldn't read wolfy if someone asked them to give a gth take on GH or they forced it later in the game cuz they didn't have a take on GH yet, but the reason it's problematic is cuz it just wasn't necessary at all and it's a weird place for a villa to be focused

i'm coming for you when dya flips wolf (yes this implies a level of confidence that i haven't previously expressed, but i came to the realization earlier that i have not actually misread dya as far as i can remember and this just flat out feels like their wolfgame and i feel like you should know this too)

Dya was a wolf in the game i quoted

I am not villareading dya

[Zack]

Good post Hally

I thought logic made some better posts this morning but the 100% confident shield drop from GH felt really premature, particularly with how GH has been playing so far

Just feels put on idk

[Logic]

why is Gemma town?

I'm vibing with gemma, seems nice.

[Logic]

I have no idea how you are wolf reading Zack here

Bold words from one of my "I forgot you were playing" reads.

(I did explain it, if you care to read more)

[Hally]

to me syn has blatantly not made any attempt to do things or appear like he’s doing things, feels like he’s just fucking around and daring people to shrug kill him afaict

seems rand unless his meta as wolf is to hard potato

[Arctic]

I forgot that Benneh was playing.
Benneh is top 3 posters.
Anyone got a take on him to share?

he said i was a good boy so he can live

[Arctic]

Dya was a wolf in the game i quoted

I am not villareading dya

oh rofl

[Logic]

doubling-down on this because actually Logic is rubbing me the wrong way. Like it feels you didn't notice my earlier posts about murska. Accusing me of a chainsaw defense of him (even if not worded, it's basically what your "overly defensive" means) is a bit sketchy tbh.

I think you mistake me.
I was answering your question as to why I found murska suspect, not calling you out. The org doesn't nest any quotes, so the result lacks context.

[GeneralHankerchief]

lol right as i was feeling confident logic is a wolf

you should call yourself GeneralBuzkill


fr though, you’re gonna have to help me out here

I don't feel like it lol

[ladd]

to me syn has blatantly not made any attempt to do things or appear like he’s doing things, feels like he’s just fucking around and daring people to shrug kill him afaict

seems rand unless his meta as wolf is to hard potato

vote: syn

Eheh

[Logic]

lol right as i was feeling confident logic is a wolf

you should call yourself GeneralBuzkill


fr though, you’re gonna have to help me out here

Hally can be town

[Arctic]

i kind of want to vote arctic for voting me. Not really OMGUS but because it felt like he was glomming onto something instead of making his own read there.

I really dont get why I SHOULDN'T read GH first. It's been a while but I have quite a bit of experience with him and used to read him decently.

and he's also not my only read. I really, truly think that the way zavck is approaching me is his village game. His approach to me is wrong, but not in a wolfy way. He puts this kin o pressure on me when he's a villager often

yeah unfortunately some others pointed out what i said before me but that doesn't make you not a wolf nor does it make my thoughts any less valid

GH had made zero AI posts - you can go to read him first and then conclude that he in fact had zero AI posts but coming out with a townread on him for doing nothing is the issue. I think your read on zack could be real but to me it just felt like how wolves react to villagers pushing them correctly to appease them

you haven't found any wolves

[Hally]

I don't feel like it lol

grrr scowl shakes fist grrrrr

[Logic]

I've been waiting to see if gh dropped the shield or not. I'm pretty happy to not have to worry much about logic. Sorry, logic, you're just a hard read for me

If I'm wolf, you don't have to worry about me, because I'm a free dead wolf.