17er Saints and Martyrs

[Jan]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I just moved Arctic up a bit. Thought GH seemed wolfy earlier today, it helped a little that he came in with reads. Of course he came in with reads after being kinda prodded, but then so did I. I would have done it without the prod, mayebe he woudl have too.

Anyway, I appreciate GH's reads, but I have only rarely understood the whole "if XXX flips [town/wolf], YYY is probably [town/wolf]. I mean sometimes I understand it. But when GH says my alignment depends on what Logic flilps, well, it doesn't. I am what I am. It's not gonna magically change no matter how Logic flips.

(Also if I had a nickel for everything I didn't undertand, I would have a whole pile of nickels--still not worth much but I guess I could put 'em in a sock and use 'em as a sap)

Visor--has he even posted today? Did he indicate he was going to disappear?

Logic--I feel he was reading my posts to get rid of me, not to try to solve me. I also don't understand his push on dyachei, who I feel has looked pretty towny all in all, and I'm not just saying that because of the avatar.

Not sure why I put Benneh so high. I have a kind of weird, time-consuming system that usually I only do somewhat later in the game, and that's where he landed but...more research needed. I could say that also about Gemma, Ladd, and Jan.

I broke another list. I hope that you are a wolf with Benneh and it is just a wolfchat tell.

I love that you have me in your last line that has me potentially too high but I am not in your actual list.

[Vanta Black]

I broke another list. I hope that you are a wolf with Benneh and it is just a wolfchat tell.

I love that you have me in your last line that has me potentially too high but I am not in your actual list.

Well...I keep typing things in this little reply box, and then I lose them and have to retype. Sorry about that! You should be above Gemma (aha, when I typed the cap G the whole post disappeared, but this time I got it back). Sorry, I am not a wolf with Benneh, or anyone.

[Vanta Black]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Jan
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

[Vanta Black]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Jan
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

argle bargle, when I moved people around I put Arctic in twice. I give up. I'm going to bed.

[Jan]

argle bargle, when I moved people around I put Arctic in twice. I give up. I'm going to bed.

<3

no worries. play the game at your own tempo .. and frustration threshold. :D

[Raskolnikov]

What was up with Muska Visor?

[Raskolnikov]

In a GH/Visor/Logic world, EOD1 is kinda hilarious tbh

[GeneralHankerchief]

maybe we should just kill all the Australians

I know that's my default position but in this game especially

[Jan]

Today is my first covid free day, which means I can go outside again and am less likely to idle in here.

To quote a man much wiser than I am:

"I know that there will be many people who are relieved and perhaps quite a few who will also be disappointed.
And I want you to know how sad I am to be giving up the best job in the world but them's the breaks."

Boris Johnson seen here tackling a child:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[GeneralHankerchief]

when it boils down to it, this entire day has mostly been everyone who said "meh Syn feels rand" on d1 just pointing to each other in circles saying "no, it's not me, it's the other guy!" while everybody else is gathered around eating popcorn, with a side helping of the occasional "what the hell is Logic doing"

[ladd]

I dont think saying syn is rand is wolfy per se tbh

Without meta it seems like a perfectly fine assessement to make

Even hally said it but no one noticed

[Totally not Taffy]

Thank you, thank you!

Vote Count

Visor (4) : Raskolnikov, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Dyachei (1) : Logic
Logic (1) : Dyachei
Gemma (1) : Ender

Haven't voted: Visor, Murska, Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, Jan, GH, Gemma


Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote: Visor

Vote: Visor

Vote: Dya

Vote: Visor

vote: visor

vote: logic

Vote: Arctic

Vote: Gemma

Post Counts

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EoD1 post counts for easy math:

The 36-hour vote count will be delayed bc I'll be driving to the airport at that time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Gemma

out with it

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Logic

For reasons.

Also tired and had a long day. More from this channel tomorrow.

[dyachei]

when it boils down to it, this entire day has mostly been everyone who said "meh Syn feels rand" on d1 just pointing to each other in circles saying "no, it's not me, it's the other guy!" while everybody else is gathered around eating popcorn, with a side helping of the occasional "what the hell is Logic doing"

I do t really think this is a fair characterization as one of those people because I think logic is wolfiest and Iirc he didn't do that.

I also think there's at least one busser because syn was the kind of slot you bus

[Hally]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Jan
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

thanks for the reads

i’m curious why i’m so high? i remember you saying last day you had no read on me despite me posting a lot, curious what changed

[Hally]

I dont think saying syn is rand is wolfy per se tbh

Without meta it seems like a perfectly fine assessement to make

Even hally said it but no one noticed

how does it feel to push a wolf while i completely ignored them and still have people put me higher in reads lists than you?

[Jan]

I do t really think this is a fair characterization as one of those people because I think logic is wolfiest and Iirc he didn't do that.

I also think there's at least one busser because syn was the kind of slot you bus

I agree that syn should have been bussed, (some people don't bus for reasons I can't comprehend) but without a proper case I am unlikely to look at those people today.
I have some thoughts on the matter but speculating right now does not seem helpful unless you actually want to act on it.

Somewhat sad both gemma and visor seemed busy today, but we have another 24 hours and at least I know I can be around for the hours leading into EoD to sway some votes.
Looking forward to some visor v gh theatre!

[Hally]

anyway, since benneh said it already (lol benneh u idiot), gemma def seemed like they were softing PR in their post

not really opposed to them claiming today but seems like they are hinting at something self resolving so

on the other hand, visor said he was gonna push gh 6 hours ago and hasn’t posted again so i’m pretty good with my vote where it is

[Hally]

@Benneh @ladd what do you think of gh’s big posts?

[Jan]

anyway, since benneh said it already (lol benneh u idiot), gemma def seemed like they were softing PR in their post

not really opposed to them claiming today but seems like they are hinting at something self resolving so

on the other hand, visor said he was gonna push gh 6 hours ago and hasn’t posted again so i’m pretty good with my vote where it is

I don't see a need to resolve a pr claim after a day 1 wolf kill.
We are on a good track and if it is self resolving then keeping wolves in the dark is always better.

If she is a villa only wolves gain from it and if she is a wolf we are unlikely to kill her based on whatever she claims (unless a cc happens which might out a different pr and we don't really need that today, I think).
If me miss today then we might need a claim tomorrow.

[Logic]

this is a pretty good point

@Logic 1 of your wolf reads and your main pusher died n1...why 0 reaction?

and wtf is this visor read. first you say:



so visor is a wolf siding villager...



..then he is a wolf? and you say people were quicker to visor wolfreads while you clearly did not have one

in fact then you go on to say:




so like wtf

@ladd so this doesn't get lost

1.) I rarely dwell on the NK. So I was wrong. I had an internal thought about it, but didn't think it warranted a post, nor was it at the forefront of my mind at any later point. I tend to not dwell on the dead.

2.) Look at the rest of that quote there, chief. The full context is about bussing a teammate.

3.) I don't remember my entire thought process, but I thought I had written "a unique take on visor town"

[GeneralHankerchief]

sorry for relative quiet on my part, we're short at work today so I've been shanghai'd into answering phones

literal torture, there should be a provision in the Geneva Convention against this

anyway, since benneh said it already (lol benneh u idiot), gemma def seemed like they were softing PR in their post

not really opposed to them claiming today but seems like they are hinting at something self resolving so

on the other hand, visor said he was gonna push gh 6 hours ago and hasn’t posted again so i’m pretty good with my vote where it is

FWIW I interpreted Visor's comment as joking around; he could very well come in and push me but that's not the sense of what I got out of that post

[nebjiamn]

@Benneh @ladd what do you think of gh’s big posts?

generalhankerchief is good at werewolf



uhh, idk. honestly still digesting it and really just kind of hoping i die before i have to worry about him much.

i don't like that he continues to pocket his logic thoughts on a day where logic is obviously a focus. i'm kind of assuming he still v reads there but the way he discussed his vanta read and also how he talked about holding onto his thoughts for a specific logic post til EOD makes me wonder. i don't know why he's choosing to play this way as a villager other than out of pure frustration, but i wish he'd just talk through it even if it is just "i'm a better logic reader than you, he's obvious [alignment] because X, Y, Z"

further i still feel like his reads list is kinda whack. going through it a bit:

i don't really mind the idea that there is 1 wolf exactly in dya/visor but his posting isn't really convincing to me that this is an actual dichotomy for game state reasons but rather it feels like it serves him a purpose here. i think there is a chance he could be correct on dya, so i am not dismissing that, but i just don't get why he gets hung up on some of dya's points while maintaining the hesitance to wolf read visor here. (Note: i know GH responded to this already so i don't wanna go back into it, feel free to ignore the old points)

Like, I totally buy that he doesn't wanna fuck up a read on visor because they are good friends and that he is soured a bit on how zack and he ended before zack's death. i believe this to be true regardless of GH's alignment. but there's some dissonance with that too because GH and zack went at eachother a bit because of how GH was making reads, not because of accuracy or whatever. I don't think visor would be upset at GH for suspecting and potentially mislunching visor here unless GH started being an ass (which i obviously don't see happening). it just feels like a bit of an excuse to not push on visor when i think, of the two, based off current body of work, visor is clearly more wolfy

i caveat that with i can obviously see v!GH not being able to overcome feeling bad about potentially getting a friend wrong because its hard to control the heart etc.

i think my larger issue with his reads list is two-fold:

a) i feel like the way he talked about me was more or less commentary and i don't really get the feeling there was curiosity about my alignment with how he presented the read on me. this is super self-centered i know and its really the only take away i had from the entire post because its all i remember from the explanations of reads. but I feel like his slotting of me into tinfoil town just sorta feels like what a wolf probably has to do (and same with hally)

b) OK, let's say GH is correct about visor/dya having one. possibly even that one being dya. from what i can tell, he has excluded the other in this pair from being w/w, and so the assumption is that upon a wolf flip of, let's say, dya, visor should be clear-ish from how GH is currently viewing the game.

But like, again, i don't know why that dichotomy (and/or the lack of w/w possibilities) exists from his pov outside it just being, like gamestate POE? And again, if we go back to assuming 1 of them flips wolf, his POE is like, drastically thin after that? I don't know where GH goes from there if we flipped w!dya or w!visor today ... and maybe its a bit unfair to expect that level of read from him today, or specifically with that reads list, but it just kind of feels like the reads list was attuned to get through today and survive and then sort out what happens tomorrow when tomorrow comes and new narratives/POEs take shape.

those are concerns but not necessarily a read. hedgy i know but tl;dr i suck at werewolf don't ask me

[Wisdom]

Yeah I'm also not very here, stayed home from work today, hopefully just a cold but didn't sleep much last night and now my brain is barely functioning.

Imagine if the team is ladd/logic
I don't think it is, but I'm vibing with ladd's take on logic so much that it gives me cold feet

And also, like, my team is pretty much exactly in Visor/Gemma/Benneh/Jan/Vanta and it doesn't feel right. I'm not sure that's enough to start tinfoiling. I've noticed people tr'ing Jan hard though, so I might be missing something there.

[nebjiamn]

i don't really wanna harp on it but visor slippin and dippin isn't very inspiring and idt i'm likely to move my vote regardless of what he comes in with

i know rl stuff and busy and all that but if visor's a villager i think he'll be able to come in and, maybe not 'talk himself out of the yeet' but at least be able to give good thoughts. if he's a wolf then he probably is just gonna have a hard time entering thread and i feel like his entrance/lack of anything else thus far could just be indicative of that

also GH i don't think his thing about tunneling you was intended as a joke but maybe i'm wrong

[nebjiamn]

Yeah I'm also not very here, stayed home from work today, hopefully just a cold but didn't sleep much last night and now my brain is barely functioning.

Imagine if the team is ladd/logic
I don't think it is, but I'm vibing with ladd's take on logic so much that it gives me cold feet

And also, like, my team is pretty much exactly in Visor/Gemma/Benneh/Jan/Vanta and it doesn't feel right. I'm not sure that's enough to start tinfoiling. I've noticed people tr'ing Jan hard though, so I might be missing something there.

i could certainly see the team being visor/gemma/vanta

its probably not but its very plausible

[GeneralHankerchief]

@ benneh re: second level thinking in the reads post

I worked on that post for two and a half hours lol, I basically caught up in the game and actually formulated a coherent gamestate view on everybody which I hadn't had to that point. I was tired and hungry and wanted to leave my computer

[dyachei]

That's one reason I dropped gh in my reads benneh. I don't feel like he's reading my posts with curiosity if that makes sense. He keeps coming to wrong conclusions and assuming they are right. Like the nk thing. Idk it kind of feels like he's going through the motions but I think logic looks worse. Visor too

[Arctic]

i had a dream that we chain killed gh and visor and they both flipped wolf but we couldn't find the last wolf for shit and the game went to f3 where i got misyeeted (i dont remember who was in f3 or who the wolf was, probably dya)