17er Saints and Martyrs

[nebjiamn]

If gemma and murska are really town PRs then wolves kinda got fucked by this rand lmao

And in that case my new dartboard of a team would be gh/visor/ender

also benneh why did u use a different font for that last post

clicked on it on accident while writing it, too lazy to fix

[nebjiamn]

unrelatedly

is there no spoiler button on this site? why can't i find it? i had to type those spoiler tags MANUALLY

a travesty of wasted time

[Arctic]

I have to be up early tomorrow because I'm getting my car serviced

if maj is gonna happen let me know and I'll drop my thoughts on Logic (gonna have to do it this evening anyway because I'm not doing that @#$%^ on mobile lol)

If you think it's dya over visor in your dichotomy why are u not like, fighting for it? I mean I could be sold on a dya vote, so could logic

and whats the reason for even withholding your thoughts on logic

[GeneralHankerchief]

unrelatedly

is there no spoiler button on this site? why can't i find it? i had to type those spoiler tags MANUALLY

a travesty of wasted time

there is, but you have to go into advanced reply mode to get it

it's the white exclamation point in the red circle near the right of the post formatting icons

[Jan]

can we maj tonight?

i'd love to see visor's flip tonight instead of waking up on a saturday

Early Maj is only worth it if you do it within the first 24 hours.
Doing it now if he is a villager is atrocious because there is no actual upside outside of you wanting a flip before you go to bed.
Mechanically speaking it is only bad.

At RPG group still. Doubt I will do much/anything before I wake up.

[Arctic]

unrelatedly

is there no spoiler button on this site? why can't i find it? i had to type those spoiler tags MANUALLY

a travesty of wasted time

there is if you go into advanced mode it's the red exclamation point

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you think it's dya over visor in your dichotomy why are u not like, fighting for it? I mean I could be sold on a dya vote, so could logic

think I expressed pretty clearly why I was leaning dya last night and how that's a very changeable opinion

(and considering how Visor's posted since then,)

feel like you should have had the answer to this

[nebjiamn]

Early Maj is only worth it if you do it within the first 24 hours.
Doing it now if he is a villager is atrocious because there is no actual upside outside of you wanting a flip before you go to bed.
Mechanically speaking it is only bad.

At RPG group still. Doubt I will do much/anything before I wake up.

there are out of game upsides!

[EnderWiggin]

i love how you called me out for the self-meta re: not bussing in a way that gets me zero cred and you're doing the exact same thing here lol

why do you even wolfread me? idgi. you've pointed out the thing about self-meta and the post where i spoke about how the nightkill doesn't make it any more or less likely that syn was bussed, and neither of these things are actually wolfy if you think about them for more than 5 seconds

like i would normally not bother making posts like this but one of the places i keep fucking up in my reads is assuming that the people treating my slot awfully are just villagers sucking so i don't really engage with scumreads on me other than defending myself, so i'm trying to figure out whether you're just throwing shit around and it certainly does feel like that, and this is worsened by the fact i have no idea what your actual worldview is rn, so if you could drop a full readlist that would be helpful too

Your Self-meta post was you posting it defensively using it against suspicion.
Mine was only elaborated on because Ladd asked.

If you're a villager, then I absolutely buy that you can see things about your own play which should be clearing. But the point is that it's... not a defense. Mine isn't either. If people started voting me I wouldn't be pointing it as a reason people shouldn't. Neither if people sussed me.

"You can't self-meta" isn't my point. "Self-meta isn't a defense" is.

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Your actions around the wolf kill (Specifically around trying to soft push back against it being an indication that wolves probably bussed)
+
I still have sus on you for game start posting
+
All I remembered of your EOD was this sequence:

ok well im fine with syn dying

ignore what i just said about the wagons if syn is a wolf

(im not coming out of this looking good either way actually lmao

OK W/E, I really hope you guys are right about this

vote: Syn

Which I just thought was weird.

I also wanted to start the day with poking outside the current central POE because I don't think it has all the wolves, and it didn't need my help. (I was intentionally ignoring Visor stuff until after he posted in a sort of "I'm not going to sus him until I see what he's got. And lots of people are already voting there and I don't want a quick day". But I didn't SAY that because I didn't want that to be the tone of thread.)

But I also found it weirdly desynced when your EOD you were like "I don't look good coming out of this." and then your SOD you were like "I shouldn't be sussed." But that was after my initial sus so it wasn't why I was there. Also it feels mildly confbiasy so I don't really care that much.

[EnderWiggin]

more people should talk about ender imo

his posts today (in particular the arctic push) seem super fake

feel like he’s going UTR

I've been a semi-major discussion point with a bunch of people talking about me as sus or as town.

I don't think I can be called "UTR" in the slightest lmao.

[Arctic]

think I expressed pretty clearly why I was leaning dya last night and how that's a very changeable opinion

(and considering how Visor's posted since then,)

feel like you should have had the answer to this

i'm not asking why you think it's dya over visor i'm asking why you didn't try to convince anyone of it

i mean i get it now given visor's contributions today but i just find myself agreeing with benneh's assessment that u made the wall to scrape by to tomorrow

[EnderWiggin]

Also Hally now exists in the space of "I find their heavy pushing on me sus but I'm aware I tend to react badly to being heavily pushed so my read on them is ~probably compromised".

[Arctic]

Your Self-meta post was you posting it defensively using it against suspicion.
Mine was only elaborated on because Ladd asked.

If you're a villager, then I absolutely buy that you can see things about your own play which should be clearing. But the point is that it's... not a defense. Mine isn't either. If people started voting me I wouldn't be pointing it as a reason people shouldn't. Neither if people sussed me.

"You can't self-meta" isn't my point. "Self-meta isn't a defense" is.

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Your actions around the wolf kill (Specifically around trying to soft push back against it being an indication that wolves probably bussed)
+
I still have sus on you for game start posting
+
All I remembered of your EOD was this sequence:






Which I just thought was weird.

I also wanted to start the day with poking outside the current central POE because I don't think it has all the wolves, and it didn't need my help. (I was intentionally ignoring Visor stuff until after he posted in a sort of "I'm not going to sus him until I see what he's got. And lots of people are already voting there and I don't want a quick day". But I didn't SAY that because I didn't want that to be the tone of thread.)

But I also found it weirdly desynced when your EOD you were like "I don't look good coming out of this." and then your SOD you were like "I shouldn't be sussed." But that was after my initial sus so it wasn't why I was there. Also it feels mildly confbiasy so I don't really care that much.

quote 1 is why im town
quote 2 is me being a silly little guy
quote 3 is a copypasta

i mean the last part sounds reasonable i guess

can u give a full readlist

[EnderWiggin]

i'm not asking why you think it's dya over visor i'm asking why you didn't try to convince anyone of it

i mean i get it now given visor's contributions today but i just find myself agreeing with benneh's assessment that u made the wall to scrape by to tomorrow

I'll put an echo on the GH statement.

[EnderWiggin]

quote 1 is why im town
quote 2 is me being a silly little guy
quote 3 is a copypasta

i mean the last part sounds reasonable i guess

can u give a full readlist

Quote 1 you weren't even voting there but it was after a wave of anti-Syn sentiment. I wouldn't ever call that town lmao.

Sure on the Full Readslist, I think I exist about:

Claimed Blessed of the Deities:
Murska
Gemma

Holy Saints of Purity:
Raskolnikov
Wisdom

Saints of more dubious Purity:
Dyachei
Ladd
Benneh
Vanta Black (This one is very much a vibe read and I'll admit it's weak but it feels good.)

Saints of true Neutrality:
Hally (Had them as slightly higher than "idk" but see previous post.)

Saints with mild Scandals:
Logic
Jan

Saints with Dirty Closets:
Arctic
GH
Visor

Most vile Saints of Depravity:
Ender

[Arctic]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading:

[Arctic]

the funny thing is even if gh and visor are both mafia im still not gonna escape the poe even though ive done nothing to advance the wolf agenda this entire game

[Murska]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading:

Oh hey. I've been kinda busy for today, and I'm pretty confident we're going to get Visor by EoD anyway unless something crazy happens so there's not too much to say.

I'll make my actual decision on what to do based on EoD and flip of course, but I'm telling the wolves (listen closely now!) that I'll protect Rask every night regardless.

[Hally]

ngl im pretty sure visor and GH are just mafia and the hard part is figuring out who tf is the last and if it's neither of the PR claims/softs then it's either dya or ender or somebody is fooling me (vanta or logic most likely)

btw @Murska rask has been kind of afk today can u save hally or benjamin instead :pleading:

[Hally]

ender putting vanta above me in his reads list has caused me immense psychic damage


(tbh i do agree vanta sounds kinda pure tonally even though content wise i’m not sure they’ve actually made an AI post this game)

[nebjiamn]

i think #1043 was mildly villagery. some of the stuff like questioning why he put me so high, pushing on GH a bit about how his alignment depends on logic both seem like kinda towny thoughts

nothing unfakeable but i kinda agree with vibe reading that slot town ?for now

[dyachei]

I don't get how you can look at what gh has done today and think I could be partnered with him

I'm at logic/gh/visor probably contain at least 2

[dyachei]

Ben what's your team rn

[nebjiamn]

I don't get how you can look at what gh has done today and think I could be partnered with him

I'm at logic/gh/visor probably contain at least 2

who said that?

Ben what's your team rn

i guess some amalgamation of visor/ender/logic/gh idk

side of gemma/arctic/vanta next up i guess?

i might do another reads list before i cap out

[dyachei]

who said that?


i guess some amalgamation of visor/ender/logic/gh idk

side of gemma/arctic/vanta next up i guess?

i might do another reads list before i cap out

Arctic keeps saying it

[nebjiamn]

Arctic keeps saying it

can you lay out why you don't think you're a fit with visor?

i mean, i'm v reading you but if push came to shove i don't know that i'd have much to show that unaligns you two

this is probly an annoying question but entertain me, i guess? (or don't idc)

[nebjiamn]

i've reached the pre-flipping of visor stage of the day

i'll go back to lurking and save my last 3 posts or whatever (inb4 this is my last) til GH drops a logic bomb on us before bedtime

[dyachei]

can you lay out why you don't think you're a fit with visor?

i mean, i'm v reading you but if push came to shove i don't know that i'd have much to show that unaligns you two

this is probly an annoying question but entertain me, i guess? (or don't idc)

I said I'm v if gh is w.

Visor can be with anyone because he's done jack shit

Bit I think ghs explanation of why he's choosing to give visor benefit of the doubt and not me plus him inexplicably only pushing me today makes us not w/w.

It also makes gh/visor more likely imo

[nebjiamn]

oh my bad, sorry, i mixed up what you said

[GeneralHankerchief]

BG3 patch is 17 gigs so you're gonna get the Logic thing a bit early lol

it's gonna be short and it's gonna be disappointing and it's probably gonna look incredibly wolfy too

but it's incoming