17er Saints and Martyrs

[Hally]

How would they not?

I don't understand why that is so impossible.

Obviously I'm very very wrong in this case so idc if you mock it but "How is x and y ever wolves together" is a kinda annoying statement.

gemma was gh’s main wolf read the entire game

[Hally]

I thought w!GH was selling out to keep the focus off Gemma. If he can break the POE, mislunch a villager (benneh), and have Visor take the fall for it then it's just w's all the way to the bank.

but he went for gemma first? idgi

[Hally]

i have kp and i shouldnt hardclaim for reasons

not gonna say any more than that

why haven’t you used it?

[Vanta Black]

Reads list as of D2, ranked

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
GH
Visor
Logic

Reads list as of now, no longer ranked except the first one,

Ladd
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Gemma
Arctic


Ender
Wisdom
Logic

But I don't know nothin'

[Gemma]

why haven’t you used it?

still dousing be patient

[Hally]

still dousing be patient

good one

but really, why

[EnderWiggin]

gemma was gh’s main wolf read the entire game

I've done more to push Gemma than GH did.

Putting em at the bottom of lists does nothing for me to think they're unpaired.

[EnderWiggin]

but he went for gemma first? idgi

I'm not gonna lie I barely remember the initial Gemma push at EOD. The Benneh/Hally read was the first push that everyone collectively tried to actually take off.

Also pushing Gemma when 90% of people are like "But the claimmmmm" is free.

In that world.

But anyway I'm not gonna argue about a world that was clearly just me being wrong in the first place.

[nebjiamn]

Reads list as of D2, ranked

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
GH
Visor
Logic

Reads list as of now, no longer ranked except the first one,

Ladd
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Gemma
Arctic


Ender
Wisdom
Logic

But I don't know nothin'

Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing

[Vanta Black]

Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing

Okay gotta collate some posts.

[Hally]

Yeah getting the idea that it's not gonna be as easy as it looked.

why do you think this?

2/3 of your PoE are pretty consensus

[Hally]

i’m down to lunch gemma if they don’t explain more

[nebjiamn]

the game is probably medium hard but i still think logic is basically lock wolf

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[Hally]

the game is probably medium hard but i still think logic is basically lock wolf

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logic (1)

[nebjiamn]

gonna go read a newcomb article on villaging and then peruse GH's reads wallposts and reads only to then ignore anything i disagree with and mislunch logic anyway

[nebjiamn]

Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.

Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly

@Wisdom prior to this you mentioned you thought you were right about me as a wolf read because of omgus reasons/how day had started prior to you reading EOD

why did this bolded change after you read eod? I don't really understand. plus, you were at eod and obviously saw visor's flip... did the realization that i was a bad vote come from GH/Ladd/others talking about how i was obvious town from that eod or did you actually see something in the eod that you didn't pick up before?

[nebjiamn]

Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.

You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.

You are a blind spot, so is Vanta (I would call Gemma a blind spot outside of the PR soft as well).
I'm not good with getting a grip of all the players in a game early on unless I nolife, but us talking now is a start tbh!

[nebjiamn]

i will probably just trust ladd that wisdom is likely v here? but i really don't know how to make sense of her progressions or find her town when in the course of one eod->sod she calls me a

a) wolf read she had and still has based off omgus
b) but also a blindspot she can't get a handle on
c) but also not really interested in killing me, just pressuring me while i was afk (?????)
d) wolfy for visor not voting me (?????)

[Vanta Black]

Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing

So, the D2 thing was mostly tone/vibes/gut, with a slight helping of Wisdom defending Logic, who I had as wolfy then, and still.

Wisdom doesn't move up because I question the authenticity in some of these

Okay yeah after the sudden flash wagon on Benneh I can see how this reactions comes from town
+ to Arctic

Basically calling Arctic town here

After Ender suggested Arctic’s outburst was over-the-top:

I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.

Having a hard time parsing this it seems like in Wisdom’s head Arctic=Matt, if Matt then wolf, but instead Arctic’s town. I don’t know what Matt has to do with it anyway. Maybe others can explain that.

Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.

You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.

First wolf-reading Benneh then saying he’s a blind spot this game, in same post. ???

Here’s another Wisdom called a blind spot

Can anyone confirm if Hally usually talks to the void like this? I haven't played with them in a good while but it's wolf indicative in my book (gut says they're town though).

That doesn’t sound like a blind spot so much as “could be wolf, could be town” So okay maybe that's what's meant by "blind spot" I guess.

[Vanta Black]

Well that took awhile, I see I wasn't the only one to notice a couple of those posts.

[nebjiamn]

also don't see any sense of her acutally attempting to solve in the poe she brought forth the other day of vanta/dya/hally being her top wolf reads

i'm assuming that poe could have changed by now but outside of just a random reads list now and then i have no idea how to gauge what wisdom actually thinks about the game based off what she's doing

[nebjiamn]

Vanta's sketched me out for a while. Most specifically, P#930 claiming that they would be less likely to be NKed (over me and GH) still doesn't feel like a real thought. (And I said as much in p#932)
Vanta's EOD doesn't look much better, between reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for me, and p#1214 looking like anti-spew.

it was over you and arctic but why can't this be a real thought (and more importantly why would this matter?)

why does he look bad for "reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for [you]" ? that really makes no sense and seems super disingenuous @Logic?
and how is 1214 anti-spew? idgi

I have probably not made any posts worth going back and looking at tbh. Kinda feel like I'm still stuck in D1, perpetually.

this is like ... not very theatric for something you are calling anti-spew interactions between wolfbros? vanta's not the one likely to die in this scenario, visor is? why aren't you making the read from visors pov instead of vanta here?

[nebjiamn]

Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.

Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?

You and arctic really love rolling in the mud.

It is a rather impressive feat.

lmao

jan WAS funny this game it turns out

[nebjiamn]

I don't think Visor has ever struggled to re-enter thread in games we've been w/w. You could argue different circumstances, but even the game we were wolf together where we both got Covid Jab during D1 and kinda got fucked up a lil bit, we still had not much issue entering/syncing in thread.

Yes this is self meta and I fully don't mind if you ignore it. I'm just posting it because #ego

eh, i believe everyone can have rough times re-entering thread at times, especially when you are busy and being suspected (for right or wrong reasons)

i have seen it happen to visor. it has happened to me. it happens to everyone. its not a question of skill or a diss to visor/his potential teammates. games just be like that sometimes

the skill part comes in when you are able to find a groove and overcome that initial tough entry and get ppl back on your side, kinda like visor did the other night through eod

anyway, all that to say i still think its probably a decent gamestate read (though not one i'd rely on for solving the game). one piece of the puzzle etc. like, if i was on his team and defending him or putting pressure elsewhere, it'd be easier for him to re-enter the thread and find that groove quicker. thats all i mean

i don't think he had (that much of a) safety net this game but it could be true that he just got bus'd for inactivity anyway, so, like i said, just a piece of the puzzle

[nebjiamn]

ender's burst was decently towny i thought but if someone wants to spot check that for me i'd appreciate it

the potential irony of me v reading him for that burst of posting is not lost on me after i just described how it can takes wolves some time to find their rhythm sometimes but c'est la vie and all

[nebjiamn]

ender's burst was decently towny i thought but if someone wants to spot check that for me i'd appreciate it

the potential irony of me v reading him for that burst of posting is not lost on me after i just described how it can takes wolves some time to find their rhythm sometimes but c'est la vie and all

burst of posts today* specifically

[Logic]

logic (1)

While I'm here, does anyone want something from me?
Weekends are always where my posting drops off a cliff, and tomorrow is a US holiday, and I don't expect to be here much then either.

You gonna shade me for not being here? When there are 48 hours to the day, and I already gave partial slank cover?

Sure. Okay.

[Hally]

re: wisdom, tbh i’ve largely been sponging the town reads there from people that have played with her more recently because i have a hard time following her thought process. i don’t really understand how she’s getting her reads even after she explains them but i feel like she gets frustrated when i ask lol. but iirc she’s kind of an oddball player (not meant derogatorily, she’s just idiosyncratic) so i don’t think it’s wolfy for her, it just makes it harder for me to tell if she believes what she’s saying

i will say, my recollection is that she was a better wolf than i feel like people have been giving her credit for? gh’s description of her meta made it sound like she’s a bad wolf but i think she’s pretty good? (or was, no idea about recently)


benneh, what do you think of her visor stuff D1 though? it doesn’t really seem w/w to me from both sides

[Logic]

it was over you and arctic but why can't this be a real thought (and more importantly why would this matter?)

why does he look bad for "reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for [you]" ? that really makes no sense and seems super disingenuous @Logic?
and how is 1214 anti-spew? idgi



this is like ... not very theatric for something you are calling anti-spew interactions between wolfbros? vanta's not the one likely to die in this scenario, visor is? why aren't you making the read from visors pov instead of vanta here?

What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.

[Hally]

You gonna shade me for not being here? When there are 48 hours to the day, and I already gave partial slank cover?

Sure. Okay.

yes

(i forgot you posted that)