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[ladd]

just don't think wolf logic posts this

i will post the D2 shield on logic (eat my ass zack)

uhmmm

maybe we do kill logic lol

-25

[ladd]

cant really say any solve feels very comfortable so far tbh

(i am on pg. 41)

will finish later

adieu

-26

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin can you lay out where your head’s at now?

fair enuf i guess

who are the wolves iyo?

-22

Logic/Dya/Hally?

Possible PR claim?

Rask is town
Wisdom is town
Benneh... probably is town?
I hate it but Arctic idk if he can post that way at EOD when Visor is actually scum if they're w/w.

I think Vanta is the one I'm really just like ~Unsure on?

Gut says he's town, but I have 0 good reason to actually back this up. There's some town-meta-style posts from them too but also like...

Vanta is good enough I can't give points for that.

[EnderWiggin]

Gut level says Dya is town too but also my ability to read Dya is notably trash so I'm just not listening to it there lmao.

[Totally not Taffy]

I know that you're not angry and not all men but there's twelve of you and only one has voted so it still fits ok?

Vote Count

Logic (1) : Benneh

Haven't voted: Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Logic, Dyachei, Murska, Hally

Hasn't posted today: Raskolnikov

Vote History

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See you all in 12!

[dyachei]

I shouldn't have posted sick yesterday about ender. But I don't really think the synful thing is as big a stretch as everyone else seems to.

I have my reasons but no one probably cares. Ender is always a hard read for me so yeah I misread that he ended on syn because I thought when he voted to follow others on syn that he was going somewhere else later. And that may have been the intent.

I told you d1 that I accept I'm in the poe. But I never do eod like I did with visor if I'm on a team with him and benneh should know that. I'd be stoked to be on a team with visor and if I could get v!benneh elimmed I would absolutely take it.

[ladd]

i am done with d2 and did a bit of d3


benneh wasnt really pushed by visor hard. visor was pushing for gemma and the benneh push was started mostly by jan/wisdom/ender



with that being said i think benneh is a villager for his posts on d3 anyway

-27

[dyachei]

i am done with d2 and did a bit of d3


benneh wasnt really pushed by visor hard. visor was pushing for gemma and the benneh push was started mostly by jan/wisdom/ender



with that being said i think benneh is a villager for his posts on d3 anyway

-27

I think visor just took big advantage of that. The way it happened made benneh seem like a clear villager to me

[ladd]

I think visor just took big advantage of that. The way it happened made benneh seem like a clear villager to me

my 2 cents is that i don't think he truly believed benneh would ever go over regardless of his (benneh's) alignment

but i guess we'll find out only in postgame

[Murska]

I believe that the priority of the wolf team at eod 2 was not to save visor but to muddle the waters to let the other two hide.

[dyachei]

ishould keep solving but I feel like I'm at kind of a standstill with logic tbh

I want to solve but i need to know what logic is at this point

[dyachei]

Vote: logic

See you fellas tomorrow

i don't like making this read as i think it just reinforces shitty play

but i think logic going straight to the "expect to read me better" might be villagery

re dya, i think thats just kinda a part of their gme now, i see it a lot d1

re logic, yeah opening sucked, but i was rereading a game i played where he was a wolf and i was a villager hard townreading him cause he gave a bunch of like faux effort (and tbh that first post was like straight out of that game lmao) and i think i will just let him do his thing for now and revisit later

I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol

Someone else can figure them out lol

Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour

syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.

Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it

[Hally]

i was asked this yesterday i think and i went back and did not see anything super clearing

i just looked again and still don't

she puts visor in a list and narrows down her poe a few times, so its a decent look but i don't see anything convincing me i shouldn't re-eval on her atp? maybe i am missing something but i don't see any interactions day 1 worthy of calling it non w/w?

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?

[nebjiamn]

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?

see the dya post right above yours. the way he treats wisdom in what you're referencing is similar to how he treated syn in a way. pretty dismissive and eager to talk about something else than have an actual stance

idrc about the visor vote given how eod1 played out

[Hally]

the 'synful' stuff seemed like a stretch

i'm hoping i can clear them off logic's flip but if he flips v they are back in the poe i think? idrk

yeah i dunno, i’ve kinda been writing dya off for not being w/w with gh/logic but outside that i’m not really sure why they’re a villager? should iso there but idk if i have time today

but yeah, the ender stuff kinda gave me the vibe of a wolf dunking on someone who “looks bad” without really considering their alignment. like idk how they’re trying to argue ender defended syn based on an obvious joke when that’s… clearly not what happened lol

[Hally]

Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.

Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.

They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.

The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.

There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.

i don’t really think a wolf posts this lol

[dyachei]

Vote: logic

See you fellas tomorrow

i don't like making this read as i think it just reinforces shitty play

but i think logic going straight to the "expect to read me better" might be villagery

re dya, i think thats just kinda a part of their gme now, i see it a lot d1

re logic, yeah opening sucked, but i was rereading a game i played where he was a wolf and i was a villager hard townreading him cause he gave a bunch of like faux effort (and tbh that first post was like straight out of that game lmao) and i think i will just let him do his thing for now and revisit later

I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol

Someone else can figure them out lol

Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour

syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

you disagree with me fine, but it doesn't make me a wolf. It just means we disagree

I think that you don't tend to make jokes that are negative about wagons unless you're thinking negatively about the wagon

[dyachei]

like i get it and sure it's a stretch. but also like the way hally's interacting with it is really annoying me


it's all lol dya wouldn't say this as a villager and lol this, lol that

well I have news for you, i did say it as a villager and you can stop laughing at the real thoughts I have

[Hally]

I have no idea, I'm obviously missing something.

I think Dya's been a bit townier than I earlier gave them cred for as well.

[Ender Rask Dya Arctic Benneh Murska Gemma] town leans
[Logic Vanta Hally] the box

ngl i don’t understand how you still have like no read on me? i feel like you’re not really making an effort to solve me lol

i’m not gonna claim to be clear or anything but i feel like i’m a fairly obvious villager on posting atp?

[Hally]

@Hally i am almost done with d1 and you seem to have had 0 curiosity about me/rask wolfreading syn based on meta? you say they are rand unless someone has meta...me/rask say we have meta but you dont really explore it much/at all

i mean, you’re not gonna like this answer but the truth is i honestly didn’t give a shit lol. it’s just not interesting to me to solve a slot that is basically not playing. he seemed like he was gonna get lunched or vig’d D2 at the latest and i was fine with that so i just didn’t care. also zack (who afk knows syn the best in the playerlist?) was pretty insistent that syn being a potato was well within his town range

[Hally]

yea hally's posts are too good, i dont think i'd catch them until like f-x if they are a wolf here


(i am in the middle of d2)

can you explain to wisdom why?

idk if they’re gonna get there on their own if they haven’t already and if they’re v (which i currently still think) that might become a problem if the game gets hard

[Hally]

Logic/Dya/Hally?

Possible PR claim?

Rask is town
Wisdom is town
Benneh... probably is town?
I hate it but Arctic idk if he can post that way at EOD when Visor is actually scum if they're w/w.

I think Vanta is the one I'm really just like ~Unsure on?

Gut says he's town, but I have 0 good reason to actually back this up. There's some town-meta-style posts from them too but also like...

Vanta is good enough I can't give points for that.

what’s your issue with my posts?

[Wisdom]

ngl i don’t understand how you still have like no read on me? i feel like you’re not really making an effort to solve me lol

i’m not gonna claim to be clear or anything but i feel like i’m a fairly obvious villager on posting atp?

It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.

Vote: Vanta Black

[Hally]

I shouldn't have posted sick yesterday about ender. But I don't really think the synful thing is as big a stretch as everyone else seems to.

I have my reasons but no one probably cares. Ender is always a hard read for me so yeah I misread that he ended on syn because I thought when he voted to follow others on syn that he was going somewhere else later. And that may have been the intent.

I told you d1 that I accept I'm in the poe. But I never do eod like I did with visor if I'm on a team with him and benneh should know that. I'd be stoked to be on a team with visor and if I could get v!benneh elimmed I would absolutely take it.

weren’t you town reading benneh D2 though? and you were wolf reading gh, how would you actually get away with voting benneh with gh over visor there?

also it’s not the misremembering that ender ended on syn that i took issue with, idc about that. it’s that you’re trying to stretch a joke post to be a legit defense of syn when it was like a few min to EoD and syn was obviously dying atp

surely that’s not the reason why he’s a wolf if he is one? i mean c’mon

[Logic]

I definitely expected to be here more, but I also didn't know I would be in a mandatory class at work today.

Stay the course, chop me, and interrogate as required. Zack was wrong on at least two names, as you'll see, so don't keep quoting his reads as gospel for why he died N1. I'm currently running on the theory that Zack was killed to prevent him and GH/Ladd from masoning up D2+ and solving the game.

[Logic]

It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.

Vote: Vanta Black

Wisdom, explain why you are reading against the grain here

I'm not encouraging a maj on me, but Vanta is on my shortlist, I'm consensus wolf, and you agreeing with me here is bold

[Hally]

like i get it and sure it's a stretch. but also like the way hally's interacting with it is really annoying me


it's all lol dya wouldn't say this as a villager and lol this, lol that

well I have news for you, i did say it as a villager and you can stop laughing at the real thoughts I have

i’m not laughing at it, i just think it’s bad reason lol

you even acknowledge it’s a stretch so i don’t know what you’re getting annoyed about

[Hally]

It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.

Vote: Vanta Black

i wasn’t really late to visor at all

i wolf read him as soon as i entered D2, not my fault SoD’s are at 9am my time!

but i mean, i’m not gonna claim to be clear off him. truthfully when i voted him i still thought logic was more likely to be a wolf but i didn’t wanna keep focusing there and visor also seemed wolfy then just… didn’t post

[dyachei]

weren’t you town reading benneh D2 though? and you were wolf reading gh, how would you actually get away with voting benneh with gh over visor there?

also it’s not the misremembering that ender ended on syn that i took issue with, idc about that. it’s that you’re trying to stretch a joke post to be a legit defense of syn when it was like a few min to EoD and syn was obviously dying atp

surely that’s not the reason why he’s a wolf if he is one? i mean c’mon

I could have easily changed my read etc. It's not that much of a stretch and as a wolf I definitely would prefer v!benneh dead. He doesn't always find me but he's a damned good villager

[Hally]

i don’t think we should lunch vanta

they aren’t w/w with logic who should always be dying before them and their posts are almost too wild to come from a wolf imo? like, what wolf is gonna post a rask/murska solve lol

i’m not really seeing it?