17er Saints and Martyrs

[dyachei]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

[Murska]

If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?

[nebjiamn]

If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?

possibly

i think if there is wolf kp that shot you may have saved rask n1 (though it probly doesn't make sense he wasn't then killed n2 over jan)

[Arctic]

did you mean ender

no but it also applies to him too

on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons

1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional

but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed

now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days

but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right

i don't think the thing about visor's role necessarily means much because i think the idea could be it's some kind of jester-adjacent role which focuses on getting voted rather than like, dying at night

tbh the reason i kind of believe them is because if they're lying about having kp they just cannot endgame which means they must really trust their partner to win and only want to buy some time. but then again i dunno what else they could fake claim if they were just trying to buy some time, since there's already an investigation and a protective role claimed. i guess i could see it being believable from town if they have some specific conditions, but i cannot think of what those might be so i'd need her to actually claim
@Gemma how about
you hard claim your role or use it tonight or we kill you

[dyachei]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

[Arctic]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

yeah i mean i think it's a good point cuz i had 2 reasons to townread wisdom and one was her visor push (which i can reconcile her doing as mafia) and the other was the way visor spoke about wisdom after hally made a point of that, but he quite literally does the same thing with syn by asking for thoughts on them so it's really not valid

also @ladd i want u to towncase rask too cuz i saw him townreading visor on day 1 for no reason which is kinda wtf to me

[Logic]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.

[dyachei]

I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.

but the part im talking about had nothing to do with you

[ladd]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

1 day ill be able to clear myself

[ladd]

Tbh i think logic is almost out of his range tonally but what can you do

Bbl, i saw the pings. Fwiw i think rask is never a wolf but wisdom maybe there is a chance, i guess. I personally dont see them as a wolf but it would be hard for me to case it besides meta and feeling pure ansdisconnected from gamestate in a villagery way (+jan hard v read thrm if it helps)

[Logic]

I'm still awake, and willing to chat.

I don't think I'm willing to move my vote, unless Ladd explicitly asks me to. I've only got a out a half hour before I conk out for the night, so it is very likely your last chance to interact with me, as I highly doubt I awaken before EOD.

[ladd]

I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh


Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma

I guess we ll never get over logic tho

[Logic]

I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh


Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma

I guess we ll never get over logic tho

Gemma absolutely needs her feet held to the fire over the PR soft.

Ender should be investigated with due diligence, but I don't think I would start off there tomorrow. Should ender flip town, I think that paints arctic in a bad light,

I think that Dya and Hally are never teamed, and Hally is more likely of the two to be a bad guy, if there is indeed one between the two of them. This is the only time I am going to invoke Zack's reads, but after I am gone, I think Dya will be the only other person Zack FOSed, and Zack was wrong on at least two of his (four/five?) suspects.

Wisdom is not afraid of looking bad, and agreeing with "consensus wolf" Logic, so I think she's playing in a towny DGAF attitude. It's not quite WIM, but WIM-adjacent. I can't call her locktown, but she's not someone I would investigate further for quite a while.

[ladd]

I gotta go to work but ill def pop in for eod, prolly a bit before

[ladd]

I was thinking why gemma would claim kp as a wolf but then i mean every otger type of villa pr is claimed

So ya i think we need gemma to claim? Even more so since 1 kp doesnt change the numbers


Also if logic is a villager, it means visor had no real interest to get an easy mislunch? So the gemma push is kinda wifomy



Ender idk, just really got nothing much going for him afaict (syn push d1 was weak from both sides) unless you think his eod2 is villagery

[Arctic]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

dya also had gemma at the bottom of their list before we even killed logic

[Vanta Black]

dya also had gemma at the bottom of their list before we even killed logic

That list is suspect as hell because it has me above Ladd--and that is a change from previous list--and at that point Ladd was IC. Believe Ladd even mentioned it.

[dyachei]

I literally forgot Ladd was a tree stump villager when he was. Just as a bit of wifom wouldn't a wolf remember who they killed?

[dyachei]

unvote

[Arctic]

okay but the problem is from gemma's side ender does seem likely spewed

seems like a pretty classic case of wolf seeing a villa playing weirdly and getting heat early for it and then defends them in a performative way, idt many wolves see their partner getting heat for the kind of things ender does and then half-ass defend them but also let the sus on them continue (see: the post where gemma responded to an accusation on ender and just said "oh guess i'm bad", her asking ben to explain the read more, her saying "why tho" in response to a vote on him)