17er Saints and Martyrs

[dyachei]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

[Arctic]

GH wolf reading me right off the bat is probably towny? I mean, it’s generally towny to wolf read me, especially if that's not a known habit (which Visor's read is).

Syn town reading me is also nai, I wrongly tunneled him for it last time and before that I correctly town read him for it. Again, when it's a habit it’s easier to fake, I have no read there.

Rask going hard on Syn looks good, town point for Rask.

Ladd seeming a bit lost is honestly a good look for him, another town point there. Not really sure why I initially got pinged by him.

yikes

[Arctic]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

yeah i mean i think it's a good point cuz i had 2 reasons to townread wisdom and one was her visor push (which i can reconcile her doing as mafia) and the other was the way visor spoke about wisdom after hally made a point of that, but he quite literally does the same thing with syn by asking for thoughts on them so it's really not valid

also @ladd i want u to towncase rask too cuz i saw him townreading visor on day 1 for no reason which is kinda wtf to me

[Logic]

kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)

I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.

[dyachei]

I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.

but the part im talking about had nothing to do with you

[nebjiamn]

Going to bed soon / might not check back in but still think logic is the best option today and I’d rather not have him skate thru today

but glgl whatever happens I guess

[dyachei]

Going to bed soon / might not check back in but still think logic is the best option today and I’d rather not have him skate thru today

but glgl whatever happens I guess

thoughts on visor spew?

[nebjiamn]

thoughts on visor spew?

Can you link me the post again? I’m on phone and out

[dyachei]

I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.

Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it

@Ben

[Hally]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

thanks, this is not really that different from me except i’d have wisdom right above vanta and you probably same level as ender? idk. otherwise i basically agree (also ladd is conf town, look at the SoD post)

re: wisdom, i don’t really find the spew stuff convincing? in the post where he talks about syn he’s trying to divert people’s attention away from him and onto murska so it’s serving a pro-wolf agenda. but in the post where he talks about wisdom he’s just saying he doesn’t want to read her, he’s not really pushing an agenda with it though (unless the agenda is just to not give a read on a teammate, but meh?). idk they don’t really seem that similar to me

idk basically what it boils down to is i don’t want to kill one of ladd’s top villa reads lol. also she voted visor D1, which i think was first time anyone really wolf read him? i feel like that’s gotta be worth something


i think i only have one post left oops

[nebjiamn]

@Ben

oh, i agreed with you that it looks odd for wisdom but its worth caveating that just cause he treated them similarly it doesn't really mean that's how he treated all his wolfbros. i don't really townread her or buy her process but i'm relying on ladd here

when it comes to logic i just still think the most damning thing is that he hedged but his last read on him was that his posts were worse, yet when push came to shove, he did not consider going there at all and instead pushed on murska. he could have secured a lunch on logic there and i feel like he usually does try to go for that instead of letting syn go over?

the only part that might have turned him off on that was that GH was there and he knew GH probably wasn't going to budge on logic. so i'm factoring that in but its not enough for me honestly

if visor played it that way intentionally then good on him. there's a decent chance of it, but its not worth, imho, solving elsewhere when zack went hard @ logic, visor didn't consider it

logic's made some surface level villagery posts on tone today but he's also not done much with the time he really wanted with ladd so i'm content to just vote him out and hope and if its wrong, we can start a 'fresh game' tomorrow

[Hally]

not gonna be on for EoD so this is my last post today

vote: logic

ngl i don’t feel as confident in this as i did before but i still feel like everything makes more sense if logic is a wolf. don’t think i’ll ever get over his posting + visor’s treatment + zack wolf reading him. feels like we’re gonna be stuck here unless we lunch him and nobody else really feels like a better vote to me

would not kill wisdom over logic, glgl

[Logic]

but the part im talking about had nothing to do with you

I distinctly thought you were talking about Visor avoiding talking about syn and hedging on me.

[Logic]

not gonna be on for EoD so this is my last post today

vote: logic

ngl i don’t feel as confident in this as i did before but i still feel like everything makes more sense if logic is a wolf. don’t think i’ll ever get over his posting + visor’s treatment + zack wolf reading him. feels like we’re gonna be stuck here unless we lunch him and nobody else really feels like a better vote to me

would not kill wisdom over logic, glgl

It's okay to feel doubt. I maintain that even if today is not my day, that I need to die before LYLO because my reads have been such utter doodoo this game, and if by some miracle the remaining town(s) think I'm a villager at LYLO, I don't trust myself to vote correctly there. I am a liability, and I suspect there is at least one wolf that is town-reading me, hoping to push through a different town today because the longer I am alive, the more chaos exists in the thread because of the doubt regarding my alignment.

This isn't intended to sound like ATE, this is me putting the town ahead of my own interests.
To paraphrase "my only regret is that I have but one life to give to this town!"

You guys need to find the rest of the scum, guys.

Vote: Logic

[ladd]

Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE

what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)

on another note

this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma

And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma

this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there

1 day ill be able to clear myself

[ladd]

Tbh i think logic is almost out of his range tonally but what can you do

Bbl, i saw the pings. Fwiw i think rask is never a wolf but wisdom maybe there is a chance, i guess. I personally dont see them as a wolf but it would be hard for me to case it besides meta and feeling pure ansdisconnected from gamestate in a villagery way (+jan hard v read thrm if it helps)

[Logic]

I'm still awake, and willing to chat.

I don't think I'm willing to move my vote, unless Ladd explicitly asks me to. I've only got a out a half hour before I conk out for the night, so it is very likely your last chance to interact with me, as I highly doubt I awaken before EOD.

[ladd]

I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh


Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma

I guess we ll never get over logic tho

[Logic]

I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh


Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma

I guess we ll never get over logic tho

Gemma absolutely needs her feet held to the fire over the PR soft.

Ender should be investigated with due diligence, but I don't think I would start off there tomorrow. Should ender flip town, I think that paints arctic in a bad light,

I think that Dya and Hally are never teamed, and Hally is more likely of the two to be a bad guy, if there is indeed one between the two of them. This is the only time I am going to invoke Zack's reads, but after I am gone, I think Dya will be the only other person Zack FOSed, and Zack was wrong on at least two of his (four/five?) suspects.

Wisdom is not afraid of looking bad, and agreeing with "consensus wolf" Logic, so I think she's playing in a towny DGAF attitude. It's not quite WIM, but WIM-adjacent. I can't call her locktown, but she's not someone I would investigate further for quite a while.

[ladd]

I gotta go to work but ill def pop in for eod, prolly a bit before

[ladd]

I was thinking why gemma would claim kp as a wolf but then i mean every otger type of villa pr is claimed

So ya i think we need gemma to claim? Even more so since 1 kp doesnt change the numbers


Also if logic is a villager, it means visor had no real interest to get an easy mislunch? So the gemma push is kinda wifomy



Ender idk, just really got nothing much going for him afaict (syn push d1 was weak from both sides) unless you think his eod2 is villagery

[nebjiamn]

kill gemma tomorrow you troglodytes

or at least fuckin hold em to the fire

Gemma absolutely needs her feet held to the fire over the PR soft.

Ender should be investigated with due diligence, but I don't think I would start off there tomorrow. Should ender flip town, I think that paints arctic in a bad light,

I think that Dya and Hally are never teamed, and Hally is more likely of the two to be a bad guy, if there is indeed one between the two of them. This is the only time I am going to invoke Zack's reads, but after I am gone, I think Dya will be the only other person Zack FOSed, and Zack was wrong on at least two of his (four/five?) suspects.

Wisdom is not afraid of looking bad, and agreeing with "consensus wolf" Logic, so I think she's playing in a towny DGAF attitude. It's not quite WIM, but WIM-adjacent. I can't call her locktown, but she's not someone I would investigate further for quite a while.

found the wolf buzzword

[nebjiamn]

I was thinking why gemma would claim kp as a wolf but then i mean every otger type of villa pr is claimed

So ya i think we need gemma to claim? Even more so since 1 kp doesnt change the numbers


Also if logic is a villager, it means visor had no real interest to get an easy mislunch? So the gemma push is kinda wifomy



Ender idk, just really got nothing much going for him afaict (syn push d1 was weak from both sides) unless you think his eod2 is villagery

ya the more i think about it the more i feel like i wanna kill gemma but it also feels really dumb to go away from logic

it also feels dumb killing him sorta

[nebjiamn]

i'm reminded of the way logic treated zack day 1 and i feel better about just yeeting him there

the part where he just called zack a wolf and didn't try to do anything about it or convince anyone while also clearing visor, who was at least partially misreading him, and just calling him a wolf siding villager is just too rough imo. i know everyone misclears a wolf now and then but oooof for that treatment, especially when you remember logic described visor with the following words in another game:

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.


TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

seems weird he just forgave visor here for being a serial wolf sider but was hard on zack about it (but also softer on zack/unconvinced than shown here)

this is my last post and i've talked myself into staying on logic and thats my preference but go with god during the wee hours of the night i suppose. i don't think i'd be heartbroken if gemma died overnight but anyone else besides those 2 seems like a bit of a throw.

i've got some more quotes and thoughts on non-logic/gemma ppl below in case anyone wants to read thru them. can serve as my legacy for my v reads i guess

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[Wisdom]

I'll try to be here at EoD and if I don't find anything new I'll probably just sheep Ladd

[Vanta Black]

vote: Logic

Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.

[Vanta Black]

And good night. See ya in the morning, perhaps, and by morning I mean "sometime after 9am and more likely around 11" (US mtn time)

[ladd]

I'll try to be here at EoD and if I don't find anything new I'll probably just sheep Ladd

Thoughts on ender/gemma/vanta?

[ladd]

vote: Logic

Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.

Why?

[Gemma]

wolfy sup

is my vote needed anywhere before eod i'm not gonna have time to read