17er Saints and Martyrs

[Hally]

Decent chance that’s not the first save of the game I think cause otherwise a) what the fuck are wolves doing and b) what kind of roleset is this lol

as in wolves had extra kp or gemma is town who shot one of the nightkills and/or hit murska’s save?

seems like it can’t be second unless they shot jan but i dunno why you would do that lol

[Raskolnikov]

Being alive D5 when you punted wolves D1 and D2 tells a lot about the player I have devoluted into.

[nebjiamn]

This is my first save, at least. I get feedback.

Oh ok

[nebjiamn]

as in wolves had extra kp or gemma is town who shot one of the nightkills and/or hit murska’s save?

seems like it can’t be second unless they shot jan but i dunno why you would do that lol

I was thinking extra wolf kp or some kind of redirection maybe

i don’t believe Gemma’s claim atp

[Hally]

having the doc be able to self protect makes it less likely we have a fourth town PR because that’s just too much for wolves to deal with esp if they can’t kill one of them on certain nights

then if gemma kills and murska saves wolves gain a mislunch and murska can self protect to clear themselves + gemma clears themselves from their shot?

seems… not possible

[nebjiamn]

having the doc be able to self protect makes it less likely we have a fourth town PR because that’s just too much for wolves to deal with esp if they can’t kill one of them on certain nights

then if gemma kills and murska saves wolves gain a mislunch and murska can self protect to clear themselves + gemma clears themselves from their shot?

seems… not possible

A self protecting, consecutive targeting doc that gets feedback is nuts and taffy is bonkers if murska is v (and I think he is) and I legitimately feel bad for the wolves lol

[Raskolnikov]

I dont think murska should tell more before we hear about Gemma

[Raskolnikov]

Ender riding a joke to vote off Gemma is noted

[dyachei]

Nice job murska

I'm just a vt

[Wisdom]

My mind is kinda groggy after 5 hours of tattooing, but for once I at least did something overnight.

OVERNIGHT THOUGHTS

Honestly, I have no good excuses.

I stopped writing at -1h and thought “Nice now I have time to focus thread”, went to the bathroom and then the game just warped out of my brain and when I realized it was .03 and the flip had already happened. I don’t know why I am like this.

I’m kinda sad that my reads have turned out to be quite good when it’s mattered this game (Visor w, GH v Logic v) but I’ve had no investment in the game so feels like I’m partially to blame for the two misyeets. I noticed at one point that Logic was top poster and thought it could be clearing for him but didn’t even bring it up. It’s one thing to be wrong but imo even worse to be right and do nothing about it. Being put up as the next misyeet is yet another thing.

I’ll try to think a bit now, at least, and pray Gemma doesn’t just nk me.

The playerlist right now:

Rask
Murska
Vanta
Dya
Hally
Ender
Arctic
Gemma
Benneh



Rask

I had a gut feeling that Rask could be wolfing here, but looking through his ISO, even the latter days, kinda makes me retract that.

But this: “I'd rather die than hellbus a fun partner D1”
Raskol, you know that this is bs. You know that Syn was lolcatting. I believe that you believe this, but if anyone would be comfortable being hellbussed it would be Syn and if anyone would listen when he asked his team to hellbus him it would be you.

So, in the end I still think Rask’s v here, but it gives me a sour taste.

Vanta Black

I haven’t ISO’d Vanta before and he mentioned Bladescape, my mind goes brr

Ender

Let’s pretend that I didn’t just now realize that Ender and Bladescape are the same person. I have way more respect for Blade’s wolf game than I’ve had for Ender’s and will need to re-evaluate some things real quick. I juried him in S9 Champs and have refreshed my memory a bit on what his style is like.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053855253

This post is strictly outside my perception of his wolf game though. Wolf Blade is more “Woe is me, stop being dumb”, whereas here he admits that GH was a valid wagon and doesn’t really say anything else about it except that he would have preferred to have more time.

He also has no reason to kind of protect me during the EoD4 wagon.

This is all in addition to my previous reasoning, that Ender had a towny EoD2, a vibe that made him look genuinely lost d1. Yeah I’m pretty sure he’s still town.

Okay back to Vanta.

Vanta Black

I think his first day is a bunch of nothingburger, he has a sus on Logic but that’s pretty much it, a lot of posts that’s just vibing in thread.

D2 he spends 3 posts explaining why he doesn’t think he’s a likely nk.

His push on Murska D2 makes them very not w/w though, but the way he pushes Murska for “still being alive” is rubbing me the wrong way. I guess we’ll see, if Murska’s not the night kill I’d say he should be cased properly since his claim makes him seem much stronger than anything else that has flipped so far. And if Murska turns up to be wolf, it’s a good look for Vanta. His push on Rask also makes them seem non w/w.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053855303

This post is just straight up towny.

Bleh, yeah the rest of the D4 ISO also looks good. Willing to call Vanta town as well.

Murska
Dya
Hally
Arctic
Gemma
Benneh

That's 6 left to case.

(Note: I saw that Murska self saved, so that makes 5)

[Hally]

hard claim town doc, i saved murska last night

[Wisdom]

Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.

Gemma first ofc

[Wisdom]

hard claim town doc, i saved murska last night

ME TOO

[Hally]

Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.

well that would be visor and gh lol

[Raskolnikov]

"I have way more respect for Blades wolf game than Enders :D lolol (i understand Wis, but its still funny and proof meta is well, just one imperfect tool).

And no, you can say that was wifom Wisdom, but not bs. I remembere Syn being legit offended by Zack bussing him and while water has passed under the bridge, I wouldnt play it like that if I see a wolf bro posting bad early game. No need to out him when nobody is and to push him till he dies lol. Syn can totally post himself clear with good tone in the early days.
It just makes no sense to me.

Basically I think people trying to solve me D5 (and posting stuff like this or what Ender did yesterday) are kinda sketchy.

I will give you the benefeat of the doubt though

[Wisdom]

well that would be visor and gh lol

Welp

[Wisdom]

"I have way more respect for Blades wolf game than Enders :D lolol (i understand Wis, but its still funny and proof meta is well, just one imperfect tool).

And no, you can say that was wifom Wisdom, but not bs. I remembere Syn being legit offended by Zack bussing him and while water has passed under the bridge, I wouldnt play it like that if I see a wolf bro posting bad early game. No need to out him when nobody is and to push him till he dies lol. Syn can totally post himself clear with good tone in the early days.
It just makes no sense to me.

Basically I think people trying to solve me D5 (and posting stuff like this or what Ender did yesterday) are kinda sketchy.

I will give you the benefeat of the doubt though

I'm trying to solve everyone though.

And my point is that I think if Syn told you to bus him you would probably do it, or that's my take at least!

[Raskolnikov]

I'm trying to solve everyone though.

And my point is that I think if Syn told you to bus him you would probably do it, or that's my take at least!

My point being he wouldnt ask for it if unnoticed itt.

Anyway.

[Raskolnikov]

Also you write a big wall (on phone at least), but the only added reason to tr Ender is a oneliner about the hammer on GH, which I dare to say, is NAI. I mean wolf! Ender can write it if villa!Ender is smh.

I wont comment the defense at EOD4 because obviously its that, in addition to your postings, that made me lean wolf on both of you.

Still I will look at your previous interactions when I have more time

[Wisdom]

My point being he wouldnt ask for it if unnoticed itt.

Anyway.

Anyway.

[Gemma Benneh Hally Dya Arctic]
Gut says Gemma + Arctic
If I get some energy I'll check if that's plausible.

[Murska]

I need to find the time to reread people, but I've had bad vibes on dya for a while now.

[dyachei]

what do you think about arctic trying to keep the wagon on visor at the eod 2 wisdom? o you think he was just trying for cred there?

[dyachei]

I need to find the time to reread people, but I've had bad vibes on dya for a while now.

that's not unusual but I think wisdom looks worse than I do (and I've posted about this already)

[Hally]

Anyway.

[Gemma Benneh Hally Dya Arctic]
Gut says Gemma + Arctic
If I get some energy I'll check if that's plausible.

it’s not

arctic was wolf reading gemma D1 iirc

also he’s an obvious villager

[Raskolnikov]

Hey no hard feelings Wisdom, I will definatly read your stuff and reevaluate fame

[Raskolnikov]

it’s not

arctic was wolf reading gemma D1 iirc

also he’s an obvious villager

Thats my thinking too yeah. (About Arctic)

[dyachei]

i want to give her time to play but i'm absolutely concerned about wisdom(and gemma but thats not what this post is about).

I posted before about visor spew and he treated syn and wisdom very similarly. He was different with logic which i pointed out I didn't know what it meant at the time. But with logic flipping villager, it puts wisdom on a short list for me

I understand I'm in the POE and likely not getting out of it so i just want to like...keep talking about this so that if I die before wisdom, it gets looked at.

[dyachei]

Thats my thinking too yeah. (About Arctic)

his EOD was also very much about continuing the visor wagon. I had doubts about arctic d1 but d2 proved me wrong.

[nebjiamn]

also a gentle reminder that both GH and logic had an issue with vanta

specifically GH's issue was vanta had good wolf equity if logic flipped v. logic did not v read vanta at all and i don't really get WHY he scumread vanta for wha the did but it was obviously real

[Raskolnikov]

i want to give her time to play but i'm absolutely concerned about wisdom(and gemma but thats not what this post is about).

I posted before about visor spew and he treated syn and wisdom very similarly. He was different with logic which i pointed out I didn't know what it meant at the time. But with logic flipping villager, it puts wisdom on a short list for me

I understand I'm in the POE and likely not getting out of it so i just want to like...keep talking about this so that if I die before wisdom, it gets looked at.

I did read it and I too think Wisdom/Visor didnt play out like expected if vw. Id expect him to put much more pressure on the slot, specifically because he hasnt a stellar record reading her.