17er Saints and Martyrs

[EnderWiggin]

Period of the IRL day not the in game day that is.

[Raskolnikov]

idk I feel much better about this vote than any other ones. Reread Ladd, Benneh, Syn, Gemma, Ender, looked at VCs and yeah. Sorry if wrong. glgl


(today is my my eldest bd, so not gonna pop too much, will try to be around for EOD, but you can maj, I'll allow it)

[EnderWiggin]

Is it technically defending myself if the post is from a different game? =P

(I'm making a joke about how this intersects with Gemma's awkward first read on me.)

[EnderWiggin]

Image didn't show.

Sadge.

It was a post from another game where I said:
"95%-ish of the time I never see a partner enter thread and have their *only read* being a weird townread on their partner.

That just... doesn't happen. I can think of less than the number of fingers on my hands that I've seen it live in my years of mafia."

[EnderWiggin]

Also yeah wouldn't mind dying before F4/3 myself tbh. I have this gut feeling I'll be the ml of choice in f3 which sucks.

Dya can have that honour

[EnderWiggin]

Update on thoughts:

Vanta's investigation around me is kinda good feeling. As much as their read is... irritating because of the difference in my play in the current day, I like the actual attempt.

Dya... I still feel like a town but I'm going back and forth because of our history misreading each other.

I just have a gut feeling that one of Hally/Arctic/Rask is actually wolf and idk what to do with that so I've been trawling through Visor's wolf games and reading back on other players wolf and seeing if I can play spot the difference.

Arctic does have the worst interactions with Visor for that, but I feel like this is me jumping back to an old and dumb sus. (Posts around the "Yikes" reactions that Visor did. He likes to react to partners with those reactions. Check his previous game with me/pzelda where he gave us both that reaction. He also has a reaction like that to Gemma on D1, as well as Arctic.)

Associatives are shit though which makes me feel meh because I don't feel like I have a grasp on much this game...

I like Hally's tunnel on Dya. It makes sense to me in terms of how their worldview would look.

This post is shit but I'm posting it anyway.

[Vanta Black]

vote: Ender

[EnderWiggin]

Random notation I did for myself that I'm posting in thread. Wolfy stuff.

Vote Ease of Use

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Day 1

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Arctic 1 - Rask

Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska

Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Benneh 1 - Zack

Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Logic 1 - Zack

Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Logic 2 - Zack, Visor

Logic 3 - Zack, Visor, Benneh
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska

Logic 4 - Zack, Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Visor 1 - Zack

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Visor 1 - Zack
Jan 1 - Ender

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Jan 1 - Ender
Ender 1 - Zack

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Jan 1 - Ender
Ender 1 - Zack
Rask 1 - Arctic

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
Jan 1 - Ender
Ender 1 - Zack
Rask 1 - Arctic
GH 1 - Gemma

Logic 3 - Visor, Benneh, Hally
Arctic 3 - Rask, Murska, Ender
Ender 1 - Zack
Rask 1 - Arctic
GH 1 - Gemma

Arctic 3 - Rask, Murska, Ender
Logic 2 - Visor, Hally
Ender 2 - Zack, Benneh
Rask 1 - Arctic
GH 1 - Gemma

Arctic 3 - Rask, Murska, Ender
Logic 2 - Visor, Hally
Ender 2 - Zack, Benneh
GH 1 - Gemma
Dya 1 - Arctic

Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
Arctic 2 - Rask, Murska
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Jan 1 - Ender

Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
Arctic 1 - Murska
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Jan 1 - Ender
Syn 1 - Rask

Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
Syn 2 - Rask, Ender
Arctic 1 - Murska
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor

Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
Syn 3 - Rask, Ender, Murska
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor

Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
Syn 3 - Rask, Ender, Murska
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 3 - Zack, Benneh, Syn
GH 1 - Gemma
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH
Arctic 1 - Wisdom

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 2 - Benneh, Syn
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Logic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH
Arctic 1 - Wisdom

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 2 - Benneh, Syn
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Arctic 2 - Wisdom, Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 2 - Benneh, Syn
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Arctic 1 - Hally
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 2 - Benneh, Syn
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Arctic 2 - Hally, Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor
Abstain 1 - GH

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 3 - Benneh, Syn, GH
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Arctic 2 - Hally, Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Vanta 1 - Visor

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
Ender 3 - Benneh, Syn, GH
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Arctic 2 - Hally, Dya
Vanta 2 - Visor, Logic
Dya 1 - Arctic

Syn 4 - Rask, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH 3 - Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender 2 - Syn, GH
Arctic 2 - Hally, Dya
Vanta 2 - Visor, Logic
Dya 1 - Arctic

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH 3 - Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender 2 - Syn, GH
Arctic 2 - Hally, Dya
Vanta 2 - Visor, Logic
Dya 1 - Arctic
Logic 1 - Rask

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH 3 - Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender 2 - Syn, GH
Vanta 2 - Visor, Logic
Logic 2 - Rask, Hally
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH 3 - Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Vanta 2 - Visor, Logic
Logic 2 - Rask, Hally
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH 3 - Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Logic 2 - Rask, Hally
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH
Murska 1 - Visor

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
Logic 3 - Rask, Hally, Benneh
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH
Murska 1 - Visor

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
Logic 3 - Rask, Hally, Benneh
GH 2 - Gemma, Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH
Murska 1 - Visor
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
Logic 3 - Rask, Hally, Benneh
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH

Logic 4 - Rask, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Gemma 1 - GH
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Logic 4 - Rask, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn 3 - Ender, Murska, Ladd
Murska 3 - Visor, Gemma, GH
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Logic 4 - Rask, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn 4 - Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan
Murska 3 - Visor, Gemma, GH
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom


Logic 4 - Rask, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn 4 - Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Arctic 1 - Dya
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom
Gemma 1 - GH

Logic 4 - Rask, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn 4 - Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 2 - GH, Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 5 - Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan, Rask
Logic 3 - Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 2 - GH, Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 4 - Ender, Ladd, Jan, Rask
Logic 4 - Hally, Benneh, Vanta, Murska
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 2 - GH, Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 5 - Ender, Ladd, Jan, Rask, GH
Logic 4 - Hally, Benneh, Vanta, Murska
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 1 - Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Dya 1 - Arctic
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 6 - Ender, Ladd, Jan, Rask, GH, Arctic
Logic 4 - Hally, Benneh, Vanta, Murska
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 1 - Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Syn 7 - Ender, Ladd, Jan, Rask, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic 3 - Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska 2 - Visor, Gemma
Gemma 1 - Dya
GH 1 - Zack
Vanta 1 - Logic
Ender 1 - Syn
Visor 1 - Wisdom

Day 2

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Visor 1 - Rask

Visor 2 - Rask, Wisdom

Visor 2 - Rask, Wisdom
Dya 1 - Logic

Visor 3 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh
Dya 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Dya 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Dya 1 - Logic
Logic 1 - Dya

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Dya 1 - Logic
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Ender

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Dya 1 - Logic
Logic 1 - Dya
Gemma 1 - Ender

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Gemma 2 - Ender, GH
Dya 1 - Logic
Logic 1 - Dya

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Logic 2 - Dya, Ender
Gemma 1 - GH
Dya 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Logic 2 - Dya, Ender
Gemma 1 - GH

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Logic 2 - Dya, Ender
Gemma 1 - GH
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Logic 2 - Dya, Ender
Gemma 2 - GH, Visor
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally
Gemma 3 - GH, Visor, Ender
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 5 - Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Gemma 3 - GH, Visor, Ender
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Gemma 3 - GH, Visor, Ender
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic
Benneh 1 - Wisdom

Visor 4 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Gemma 2 - GH, Ender
Benneh 2 - Wisdom, Visor
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Benneh 3 - Wisdom, Visor, Ender
Gemma 1 - GH
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 4 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Benneh 4 - Wisdom, Visor, Ender, GH
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 5 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic
Benneh 4 - Wisdom, Visor, Ender, GH
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 5 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic
Benneh 5 - Wisdom, Visor, Ender, GH, Jan
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 6 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska
Benneh 5 - Wisdom, Visor, Ender, GH, Jan
Logic 1 - Dya
Arctic 1 - Logic

Visor 6 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska
Benneh 4 - Wisdom, Visor, GH, Jan
Arctic 2 - Logic, Ender
Logic 1 - Dya

Visor 6 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska
Benneh 3 - Wisdom, GH, Jan
Arctic 2 - Logic, Ender
Logic 1 - Dya
Gemma 1 - Visor

Visor 6 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska
Benneh 2 - Wisdom, Jan
Arctic 2 - Logic, Ender
Gemma 2 - Visor, GH
Logic 2 - Dya, Ladd

Visor 7 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
Benneh 2 - Wisdom, Jan
Arctic 2 - Logic, Ender
Gemma 2 - Visor, GH
Logic 1 - Dya

Visor 7 - Rask, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
Benneh 2 - Wisdom, Jan
Gemma 2 - Visor, GH
Arctic 1 - Logic
Logic 1 - Dya
GH 1 - Ender

If Rask is the final wolf I'm just saying gg already because I'm probably never catching them. Look at my pretty busy work!

I actually fell asleep mid-making this so time to get my coffee tell on.

[Arctic]

chat i don’t know what to do

[Arctic]

Wild change of mind time.

We veering at 360 speeds on this road.

Vote: Gemma

So I was rereading D1 to get a feel of Arctic (And hopefully a case) when I started reading Gemma posts and have now decided that her townreading me when I was feeling attacked has meant I've ignored her slot probably more than I should've?

Gemma vote is partially because of these posts. I figured I should probably post these instead of just naked changing votes.

this was on day 2

[Arctic]

Wild change of mind time.

We veering at 360 speeds on this road.

Vote: Gemma

So I was rereading D1 to get a feel of Arctic (And hopefully a case) when I started reading Gemma posts and have now decided that her townreading me when I was feeling attacked has meant I've ignored her slot probably more than I should've?

Gemma vote is partially because of these posts. I figured I should probably post these instead of just naked changing votes.

Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.

Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.

Vote: Gemma

I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.

wolves would not wanted the rolecop to die at eod2
he did move to benneh but still

[dyachei]

We should always just vote me today so hally can actually try to solve the game tomorrow

Everything I've done that's villagery is being subverted into something that's wolfy. Every doubt I've had on someone and change of mind. She's never seen me this limp as a villager but she's not thinking about the fact I've never acted like this as a wolf either. Glgl and hope you guys figure it out tomorrow

[Raskolnikov]

We should always just vote me today so hally can actually try to solve the game tomorrow

Everything I've done that's villagery is being subverted into something that's wolfy. Every doubt I've had on someone and change of mind. She's never seen me this limp as a villager but she's not thinking about the fact I've never acted like this as a wolf either. Glgl and hope you guys figure it out tomorrow

I think if its not Ender its her so nope. (But I think its just Ender anyway so)

[EnderWiggin]

I think if its not Ender its her so nope. (But I think its just Ender anyway so)

I'm sorry you feel so mad about my motion detections. =P

[Totally not Taffy]

Time to get your votes on!

Vote Count

Dyachei (1) : Hally
Ender (2) : Raskolnikov, Vanta

Not voting: Dyachei
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ender


Vote History

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord

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Vote: Vanta

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vote: Ender

vote: dya

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Vote: vanta

unvote

Vote: Ender

vote: Ender

Post Counts

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EoD6 post counts for easy math:

Feels like forever since we last had a proper EoD.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm sorry you feel so mad about my motion detections. =P

I am sorry for my mum tbh

[Raskolnikov]

You feel caught pant down mate glgl

[EnderWiggin]

You feel caught pant down mate glgl

I thought you'd need help catching me.

[Arctic]

ladd thought gemma and dya weren't w/w (i can't find why) but had 1 of logic/dya as wolf so i can't even sheep this. also had ender/gemma as not w/w, but had all of dya/vanta/ender in his poe. his associative reads would instruct me to vote vanta here

i kinda wanted to go tinfoil crazy on hally/rask but ladd's reads have instructed me to not do that so whatever

his last post was voting vanta/gemma/ender

[Arctic]

I feel like i should have probably read hally today too

[Raskolnikov]

GG WP Ender

[Arctic]

ender how have you managed to not actually say who the last wolf is yet

[Arctic]

i kind of want to kill vanta rn lol

[Arctic]

i feel like that just seems to be the correct order of operations judging from what there actually is to clear them (basically nothing other than "sounding town")

[Raskolnikov]

Come on Arctic, look how Enders basically done nothing but openwolfing and has now surrendered

[EnderWiggin]

Like, honestly, I'm feeling very listless and struggling to get through a proper reread of this game which is not good for y'all in terms of reading me. I have a really strong desire to balls-to-the-walls some takes which probably deserve to live only in F3 and even then only as the crackpot theory made before being majjed for wearing tinfoil.

But I don't have any *good* reasons for having so much tinfoil on me atm so I feel unjustified in having this feeling which is a cyclical deathbell.

Vanta feels pure at times but I can't point to any specific set of posts and say "This isn't what wolf would do."

Closest I can come is the posts about how I solve and the expectation around my play. But even that is... meh. I have more associatives (Lack of engagement, how she voted Logic to put him ahead of Syn on d1, the Gemma interaction) but idk if I believe in any of them.

Dya has had a few interactions I townread but I don't trust myself to throw a stick with them so I'm very tempted to yolo a Hally sheep on it. I could dig up the posts that I felt were towny from them but that's effort.

Rask... would have to have bussed pretty hard. Possible I guess. But idk if Rask just swings for Syn off a few posts like that as w/w. I've never seen it before but not impossible. But also Rask's wild swings today feel like a probing town. This could be the funniest read if he flips wolf.

Hally... I wanna believe the wall post tbh. The effort put into that when Dya was already kinda a POE and honestly there's me/Vanta who are also POE. Idk why that effort thrown out happens if Hally is final wolf here but also that sounds stupid.

Watch me sit on this fence for free.

Arctic is the slot I wolfread constantly on rereads. I find posts/interactions with Visor and a few others that feel... not great. The pile on at the end of Syn feels like a bus position.

But also then he posts a bunch and I read them and think he's town.

All this vacillating probably means Rask is just the wolf.

(I'm setting us up a duel in F3 play along.)

[Raskolnikov]

I thought you'd need help catching me.

This

[EnderWiggin]

ender how have you managed to not actually say who the last wolf is yet

God if I know lmao.

See post above.

[EnderWiggin]

This

The funniest part is I'm town.

[EnderWiggin]

Also whoever said all the NK's have scumread me is lying because Jan adamently was convinced I was town.

I really don't see why I would kill that with strongman.