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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
My current preferences for votes, btw, are:
The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt
The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh
The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop
I didn't even vote you I just said hmmm, these seem sketch and then talked about other people the rest of my posts. Hardly an OMGUS!My current preferences for votes, btw, are:
The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt
The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh
The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop
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Originally Posted by Sunbae:
So like, ok. Let me try to articulate something here:
During this little back and forth I keep getting this ... feeling ... that you're not entirely giving the benefit of the doubt here and trying to see things from my POV and use that to help shape your reads too. I was hoping for a bit of a meld here where I give some thoughts, you not necessarily agree entirely with them but see little things in there that make you think of some other things, and springboard off of that to get some good observational reads back at me. Instead what I've got the feeling of is that you're just kind of responding to me. Like I'm saying "here is my perspective on this player and I'm trying to explain it so you can see it too and give me your input" but you're mostly just saying "meh, idk I mean I see it but I also don't". I want to break them down a bit further:
In this one, at no point did you actually say "hmm, that's interesting. Let me go back and read Dya and see if I see what you're saying". It's just semantics about the word obvious and a bit of a dismissal about the concept as a whole because everyone can seem solvey. Which, FAIR! Everyone can seem solvey but I refuse to let that make me go "wellll good woofs can seem solvey so im not gonna give villa points for people doing that". I'm just gonna call solvey people villagers and if a wolf wants to try to keep up with it all game and fool me then good luck its a long game. And if one fools me for a bit thats fine if its because of that!
It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.
And like, even with the Manti one which I think was very helpful for me to start chewing on, it was again a Macro general manti thing and not anything specific about the posts themselves you know?
And like, don't get me wrong I don't think it was anything like "omg i need to reevaluate my whole world view with this new info" but it WAS a very direct attempt to meld with you that I think could have brought at least something new to the table (which would chain react into me finding something new and pew pew pew kinda having us go off) and I don't really feel you had much interest in doing so past just responding to direct posts with macro conceptual responses that sure, make sense, but wasn't reallllly what I was hoping for you know?
And I'm not trying to pout or anything but I find it concerning because this is the type of thing I was expecting to really click with both of us and I feel like it's at least slightly more likely that your respond like this as a wolf than a villager?
The fact that both Newcomb and I had posted recently and you only talked to him and fully ignored me did annoy me more than I care to admit.So like, ok. Let me try to articulate something here:
During this little back and forth I keep getting this ... feeling ... that you're not entirely giving the benefit of the doubt here and trying to see things from my POV and use that to help shape your reads too. I was hoping for a bit of a meld here where I give some thoughts, you not necessarily agree entirely with them but see little things in there that make you think of some other things, and springboard off of that to get some good observational reads back at me. Instead what I've got the feeling of is that you're just kind of responding to me. Like I'm saying "here is my perspective on this player and I'm trying to explain it so you can see it too and give me your input" but you're mostly just saying "meh, idk I mean I see it but I also don't". I want to break them down a bit further:
In this one, at no point did you actually say "hmm, that's interesting. Let me go back and read Dya and see if I see what you're saying". It's just semantics about the word obvious and a bit of a dismissal about the concept as a whole because everyone can seem solvey. Which, FAIR! Everyone can seem solvey but I refuse to let that make me go "wellll good woofs can seem solvey so im not gonna give villa points for people doing that". I'm just gonna call solvey people villagers and if a wolf wants to try to keep up with it all game and fool me then good luck its a long game. And if one fools me for a bit thats fine if its because of that!
It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.
And like, even with the Manti one which I think was very helpful for me to start chewing on, it was again a Macro general manti thing and not anything specific about the posts themselves you know?
And like, don't get me wrong I don't think it was anything like "omg i need to reevaluate my whole world view with this new info" but it WAS a very direct attempt to meld with you that I think could have brought at least something new to the table (which would chain react into me finding something new and pew pew pew kinda having us go off) and I don't really feel you had much interest in doing so past just responding to direct posts with macro conceptual responses that sure, make sense, but wasn't reallllly what I was hoping for you know?
And I'm not trying to pout or anything but I find it concerning because this is the type of thing I was expecting to really click with both of us and I feel like it's at least slightly more likely that your respond like this as a wolf than a villager?
Glad you got nothing out of it :P
Originally Posted by ladd:
Can you elaborate on why u think jan is a wolf?
Idk if you already said so, sorry i could have missed it
vibes mostly Can you elaborate on why u think jan is a wolf?
Idk if you already said so, sorry i could have missed it
But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.
Originally Posted by Maple:
I've decided I'm ride or die with bop. If he ends up being a wolf, I'm going to pretend this was a joke in post
Anything in particular spurred this post?I've decided I'm ride or die with bop. If he ends up being a wolf, I'm going to pretend this was a joke in post
Ok fine
Vote: Raskolnikov
Vote: Raskolnikov
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
I had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?
I did talk to you silly :pI had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?
with that, glgl
Originally Posted by Jan:
The fact that both Newcomb and I had posted recently and you only talked to him and fully ignored me did annoy me more than I care to admit.
Glad you got nothing out of it :P
to me that felt like he got a scumread or at least suspicion out of it that he just didnt verbalize. rejection when trying to work with people is generally something I would find suspicious and I'm just projecting that Sunbae would probs too.The fact that both Newcomb and I had posted recently and you only talked to him and fully ignored me did annoy me more than I care to admit.
Glad you got nothing out of it :P
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
vibes mostly
But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.
Alrighty, thxvibes mostly
But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.
I am a bit stuck cause i think you are a villager but i also villa read both jan (and somewhat rask) but i KNOW i am v readkng a wolf somewhere so i am pondering whether i am misclearing someone in this trio
I have no interest in lunching none of you today anyway
@Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?
@dya i liked ender fluidiness in giving reads, thry didnt seem to give a fuck and just said what they thought. Gth they are a villager
Originally Posted by ladd:
Anything in particular spurred this post?
we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the bestAnything in particular spurred this post?
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
vibes mostly
But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.
Not so much on you.vibes mostly
But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.
I just didn't see anything you had done lean either way and the fact that ladd was convinced that you me and some else should be early game masons felt like I am missing something.
It was not just ladd having you as villa but very confidently so. I know he can get a confident read on me (one of the few people I have to do work to fool) but having one on you surprised me and I thought I was missing something.
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best
Sounds exciting we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm:
we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best
so you are lovers and mapel is fool.we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best
perfect.
Originally Posted by Jan:
Not so much on you.
I just didn't see anything you had done lean either way and the fact that ladd was convinced that you me and some else should be early game masons felt like I am missing something.
It was not just ladd having you as villa but very confidently so. I know he can get a confident read on me (one of the few people I have to do work to fool) but having one on you surprised me and I thought I was missing something.
Hmm, ok! Can you see it from my pov on why I thought it was hmph as a way to shade without expressly shading while blaming someone else for it a little? I can see your pov from it and can be just a misunderstanding on my end.Not so much on you.
I just didn't see anything you had done lean either way and the fact that ladd was convinced that you me and some else should be early game masons felt like I am missing something.
It was not just ladd having you as villa but very confidently so. I know he can get a confident read on me (one of the few people I have to do work to fool) but having one on you surprised me and I thought I was missing something.
Second, can you acknowledge the "i did talk to you silly" post cause I specifically asked you questions cause I wanted to talk to you >:(
Originally Posted by ladd:
Alrighty, thx
I am a bit stuck cause i think you are a villager but i also villa read both jan (and somewhat rask) but i KNOW i am v readkng a wolf somewhere so i am pondering whether i am misclearing someone in this trio
I have no interest in lunching none of you today anyway
@Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?
@dya i liked ender fluidiness in giving reads, thry didnt seem to give a fuck and just said what they thought. Gth they are a villager
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)Alrighty, thx
I am a bit stuck cause i think you are a villager but i also villa read both jan (and somewhat rask) but i KNOW i am v readkng a wolf somewhere so i am pondering whether i am misclearing someone in this trio
I have no interest in lunching none of you today anyway
@Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?
@dya i liked ender fluidiness in giving reads, thry didnt seem to give a fuck and just said what they thought. Gth they are a villager
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Hmm, ok! Can you see it from my pov on why I thought it was hmph as a way to shade without expressly shading while blaming someone else for it a little? I can see your pov from it and can be just a misunderstanding on my end.
Second, can you acknowledge the "i did talk to you silly" post cause I specifically asked you questions cause I wanted to talk to you >:(
Acknowledged. Didn't want you to feel bad, sorry.Hmm, ok! Can you see it from my pov on why I thought it was hmph as a way to shade without expressly shading while blaming someone else for it a little? I can see your pov from it and can be just a misunderstanding on my end.
Second, can you acknowledge the "i did talk to you silly" post cause I specifically asked you questions cause I wanted to talk to you >:(
I am not surprised you are more prone to bounce an idea of Newcomb than me (even more so if you think I am a wolf).
This whole game has been a weird rollercoaster for me because people have me solid villa, high tier wolf, or haven't given a read on me.
And the reasonings are all over the place and I have some trouble parsing it right now.
Very few light reads on me which feels odd and wrong.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
that is how I got to you. which is not helpful because I liked your reaction to newcomb a lot. :Pyeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
Originally Posted by grr:
you are a villager. go back into your mine and make me profit.Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
wisdomyeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
Originally Posted by Jan:
Acknowledged. Didn't want you to feel bad, sorry.
I am not surprised you are more prone to bounce an idea of Newcomb than me (even more so if you think I am a wolf).
This whole game has been a weird rollercoaster for me because people have me solid villa, high tier wolf, or haven't given a read on me.
And the reasonings are all over the place and I have some trouble parsing it right now.
Very few light reads on me which feels odd and wrong.
<3Acknowledged. Didn't want you to feel bad, sorry.
I am not surprised you are more prone to bounce an idea of Newcomb than me (even more so if you think I am a wolf).
This whole game has been a weird rollercoaster for me because people have me solid villa, high tier wolf, or haven't given a read on me.
And the reasonings are all over the place and I have some trouble parsing it right now.
Very few light reads on me which feels odd and wrong.
I feel similar! Like, I think I've been one of the most villagery people and I have some that agree some that are neutral and some wolf reading me! And I don't know if I'm just being *bad* and focusing on the wrong things or not.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
With rask ks a bit of a superficial read but we have been v/v like the last 5ish games on here i feel and i am usually good at picking up differences in play after randing same alignment a bunchyeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)
why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about
Jan i thought was obvious from like super early? People not agreeing has me wondering a bit but also woth him i am coming off a couple lf games as v/v where we played off each other a bunch and this feels the same to me
I think most people have at least gotten a look besides like maybe artic/bop? Also stett but they are not worth considering iyam
Curious if u have thoughts on gemma
Originally Posted by grr:
Hi! I'm going to iso you now and come out with a READ
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
Syn is in his town meta from what I can tell.Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
I am kind of too lazy to look the start differences between his game again.
But rask had the same read and I don't think it is wrong. (and I doubt rask would bother to fake that read if w/w because it outs both of them)
stett feels like the most obvious villager in the game. I do not know her wolf game well.
Wisdom - has me pocketed for now. I just know I have rose-coloured glasses on and thus my opinion has little value.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
didistetter has been the most obvious town to me idk Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
I just think she is aggressively probing around in a genuinely wants to sort people way. every time she replies to something with a bunch of questions im like ok ur obvious town. not really familiar with what her towngame / wolfgame look like tho.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
Stetter is my only v-read i kinda believe in? Their reaction to benneh, especially having a very quirky and accurate expectation of what v.benneh would do, seemed really towny to me. also kinda read their progression on me as towny. She is deadass gonna be the n1 im calling it.Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)
Wisdom I had no read on but seeing her name makes me cringe cuz she is lynchbait in every other game and the case that was made against her didnt super vibe with me cuz at least some of the stuff seemed like things I'm seeing in her v-games a lot (by bop i think)
Syn I'm drawing an absolute blank. Montmorency also exists I have no idea if he posted by now but Ig 0posters are TOO boring.
damn I really hate popping in like that
I like to start with like a random joke post or something
I like to start with like a random joke post or something
wow we really all mindmelded on stett obvious town
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