Tarot Mafia

[Arctic]

Dist, I'm 100% down for some shenanigans and to go and stir things up by voting with you, but I have a point that's sticking.

When you talked about utr wolves vs utr awk villa who specifically do you mean? Ladd/Cobalt vs knights Gemma sheep?

And again, knights is knights. If he rands vt in this sort of lobby it's *very* easy for him to just drop dead d1. And with that I'm of course all here to shake things up. So, *how* do we shake things up?

how is making an uninspired naked vote on the counterwagon shaking things up exactly

[grr]

you are a villager. go back into your mine and make me profit.

Jan you are worrying me. I didnt look through your ISO yet so I have no desire to vote you, but I keep seeing a lot of your posts in realtime and I dont think I have specifically gotten townpinged by any of them yet.

Also this take on me. I dont know the one time you wolfed against me, was a mash, you kinda posed as having an authority for reading me. I do believe you are a good player so a correct read is not super strange, but your confidence does feel off based on the limited experience and also I am not sure if you have ANY experience with my wolfgame? Because I kinda feel like that contrast is somewhat necessary to be aware of to have solid conviction (then its probably rather easy tho)

[Maple]

anyway loading into a game of league with a bad bitch gonna try not to feed

[Jan]

Congratulations Sunbae!

69 posts! you reached the unofficial post limit. Only sadness from here.

(I am close behind and will try to minimize my posting for the next couple of hours. expect that I am around and reading along if you have questions.)

[Jan]

Jan you are worrying me. I didnt look through your ISO yet so I have no desire to vote you, but I keep seeing a lot of your posts in realtime and I dont think I have specifically gotten townpinged by any of them yet.

Also this take on me. I dont know the one time you wolfed against me, was a mash, you kinda posed as having an authority for reading me. I do believe you are a good player so a correct read is not super strange, but your confidence does feel off based on the limited experience and also I am not sure if you have ANY experience with my wolfgame? Because I kinda feel like that contrast is somewhat necessary to be aware of to have solid conviction (then its probably rather easy tho)

I claimed a great read on wisdom for a long long time just by never having seen her be a wolf.
Do not underestimate my hubris.

I think a lot of my confidence comes from hosting the anon game and watching you play there.

[didistetter]

wow we really all mindmelded on stett obvious town

im not ovi town and im not polarized and i could totally be wolf here and maf should keep me alive till endgame

[ColonelLubriderm]

I've found jan's posting today more villagy then anything he's posted previously;

ladd im mildly concerned about but i have no real articulations for this concern nor do I believe i have a reading ability of ladd that people should also be concerned because I say so

knights/ender i dont really have anything to say about as i dont care to delve into their isos again. i know the following is true for knights and i think it would probably be true for ender but I think their alignment becomes more clear with time and rather than throwing darts at guessing on them.

Gemma i dont think i've played with so i have no idea on meta but they seem to be just fucking around however i still cant get over seeing stett and syn's opening posts and deciding that syn is the villagy one; sure its an early day throwaway comment but i cant get it out of my mind.

i dont remember why i liked arctic; im going to go ahead and rescind that until i can remember

we can talk about cobalt tomorrow

insomnia pushing on dyachei probably villagy but that depends on how serious he wanted or thought it could go through

i have no thoughts on grr and with everyone seeming tolike them im just gonna shrug and go with it

maple is the best neighbor i could ask for

currently leaning on yeeting wisdom/gemma

would advocate for a vig to shoot vanta

i reserve the right to replace gemma with arctic and sending gemma to vig rand depending on how i feel about arctic later.

anyone on the playerlist i havent talked about?

[grr]

I claimed a great read on wisdom for a long long time just by never having seen her be a wolf.
Do not underestimate my hubris.

I think a lot of my confidence comes from hosting the anon game and watching you play there.

So that anon game you hosted. I pushed 2/3 wolves d1 there. I was extremely confident I found 2 wolves and wagoned them both up all day and asked the other to be shot.

It was very different. It was a unicorn game for me tbh lol.

I wish I could converse with people longer but due to postcap I'll conserve my posts now sorry (also shameless pretense to make other people impact our d1 yeet more cause i dont really feel like I know what im doing)

[Montmorency]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?

[ladd]

I've found jan's posting today more villagy then anything he's posted previously;

ladd im mildly concerned about but i have no real articulations for this concern nor do I believe i have a reading ability of ladd that people should also be concerned because I say so

knights/ender i dont really have anything to say about as i dont care to delve into their isos again. i know the following is true for knights and i think it would probably be true for ender but I think their alignment becomes more clear with time and rather than throwing darts at guessing on them.

Gemma i dont think i've played with so i have no idea on meta but they seem to be just fucking around however i still cant get over seeing stett and syn's opening posts and deciding that syn is the villagy one; sure its an early day throwaway comment but i cant get it out of my mind.

i dont remember why i liked arctic; im going to go ahead and rescind that until i can remember

we can talk about cobalt tomorrow

insomnia pushing on dyachei probably villagy but that depends on how serious he wanted or thought it could go through

i have no thoughts on grr and with everyone seeming tolike them im just gonna shrug and go with it

maple is the best neighbor i could ask for

currently leaning on yeeting wisdom/gemma

would advocate for a vig to shoot vanta

i reserve the right to replace gemma with arctic and sending gemma to vig rand depending on how i feel about arctic later.

anyone on the playerlist i havent talked about?

if it helps i am becoming increasingly confident you are a villager (not related to this post). also off the top of my head you are missing dya/benneh/sunbae/sheep

i have some time on a pc until i receive a call so will try do some not skimmed reading before eod


btw post cap is fixed also for eod so pay attention to not waste too many posts @everyone


@insomnia can you condense in 1 post why you think i could be a wolf?

[didistetter]

@nebjiamn how good is sunbae at having pure/inno tone as maf?
@dyachei not trying to call your play utr, just saying that you could be a potential scum i'm not seeing. it feels like bulk of your posts are more reactive than proactive, and i understand that can happen when you get overpushed as town, but idk it feels like you've talked more about being hype for the game than you've actually show hype/interest in your posts. Talk to me about your ender vote? what do you not like about him? why is that the best wagon for you atm?

[didistetter]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
4	Theknightsofneeee	EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb, Gemma
4	Gemma	Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Maple
2	Enderwiggen	nebjiamn, dyachei
1	Dyachei	Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	Syn
1	Jan	Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	ColonelLubriderm
1	ladd	didistetter
1	ColonelLubriderm	Vanta Black
1	Raskolnikov	Grr
1	Sunbae	Jan
4	Not voting	Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt

[ladd]

re skimming rask real quick i count exactly 1 villa read and a bunch of wolf reads

they just feel like a villager who is low on time and is pushing on what they found wolfy without really caring about how other people perceive it at all

Some of their wolf reads may be a bit sloppy but its not the wolfy kind of sloppy iyam

[Arctic]

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? @Maple

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frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

name a more iconic duo than fuppies and thinking all the wagons are town / the consensus is wrong

[Newcomb]

Gonna do a quick little exercise to see where i'm at

1. dyachei
the cactus of mafia

2. Arctic
why use many word when one word do trick

3. Didistetter
threadspewed v

4. Vanta Black
wolves probably know they need town to put KP on this slot to win

5. nebjiamn
intentional chill vibes, sadly more organic vibes would be easier to read

6. Sunbae
recent call to action and stirring the pot might just be the most villagery thing they've done

7. Raskolnikov
staring at my screen for upwards of 10 seconds thinking of a word to type

8. Ladd
pocket penguin

9. Jan
very Jan

10. Gemma
immoveable, if pushed will probably just lurk and post bird jpegs

11. grr
doesn't feel like they have a team

12. EnderWiggin
getting heat, i'm fine with it, do your thing

13. insomnia
very interested in a D2 here

14. Wisdom
????

15. Syn
reasons to v read them probably shouldn't cut it at this point

16. ColonelLubriderm
solid, present, weighty

17. Newcomb
wop wop wop wop wop dot fuck em up

18. Maple
wish I understood manti more than I do

19. Montmorency
[image missing]

20. Theknightsofneeee
Show me something

21. C0balt
daypass

22. sheepsaysmeep
Who'd be partners with sheep in a sheep w world? is my current thought

[sheepsaysmeep]

I thinkkk ender wiggins trended upward for me. I think his catchup might actually be like a shining beacon of towniness, potentially. pending how strong he is as a wolf

something in particular is that their treatment of me doesn't really benefit them as wolf. you would think that if theyre top townreading me they would try to make it have some pocketing-me equity. but it is way too extreme to be a pocket. keeps repeating "sheepsaysmeep is obvious town". "sheepsaysmeep is at the top of my list." even referred to me as a lord and savior

I think this is not what a pocket looks like but actually closely resembles some of the language I've been tempted to use. im regularly going extreme and being like "lol unironically this thing this person did is obvious lock town" blah blah



one thing that raised my eyebrow is the whole jan defending ender thing. that whole thing raised my eyebrow. I feel like: ender has been sussed for a very specific thing: couple scummy posts about Insom Page 6 and Newcomb. I havent really seen more general suspicion of his play. Then Jan sorta defended ender from vague playstyle suspicion, but I felt like jan didnt really express *townread* of ender (might be wrong). Then ender was like, "jan defending me just feels like a town defending a townread. he just feels really town, but I could be pocketed." something like that. that did feel a bit fake from


but his catchups just read very villagery to me idk if I would be able to explain that much further

[Arctic]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

didn't syn not care as wolf either though? seems like a weird read to have especially given you got him wrong last game lol

[Arctic]

thoughts on catch up

- i think sheep has finally made some better posts - his pushback on ladd seemed kinda villagery, his sunbae read was also decent. dunno how much i'd say they are exuding towniness though rather than just being fine. i don't understand how he has ender as his 5th highest townread though, that just feels bizarre. didn't find the later explanation convincing since it just seemed to be based on ender melding with sheep over early takes which could easily be a play coming from a wolf for obvious reasons (and he even recognizes the potential for pocketing but doesn't seem to care). overall still might vote him but i kinda want to kill someone else now (gemma)

- ladd calling out gemma's vote on vanta has me also wanting to vote there, among other things (like.. their entire body of work being random one liners based on vibes followed by an uninspired read list). like they didn't engage with vanta when they did post or comment on their posts at all - she just said they "had newbtown vibes and would be able to clear them easily based on something later" which kinda feels predicated on TMI to me idk. however i do think she's still playing kinda differently to her last wolfgame and was more overtly wolfy there so.. meh

- i feel like i probably need to take a stance on knights but like. i'm struggling honestly. i saw newcomb's case and nodded along so i guess i'm fine enough with voting him. i feel like the point about focusing on defense also applies to sheep, though, arguably even moreso

- adding newcomb to my towns because his paranoia on ladd kinda to save post-game face felt villagery, and i think his approach to vanta is also pretty good (wolves wouldnt want to give that slot an opportunity to clear itself if town, and if wolf idk i guess it matters less but i'll worry about that later)

- i think rask is town (based on sunbae read and maple read, feels out there enough imo)

- i'm kinda coming around to insomnia's view that quite a few of the wolves are in people that we probably just aren't gonna kill today. the trio of sunbae/benneh/manti in particular has a number of weird overly charitable reads given to each other which i don't really believe and none have really towntold for me (with the latter two kind of pinging me). i still think we could be wagoning a wolf in knights or gemma though

- i still think it's kinda naive to townread manti for the "first 6 words" post. i get that in isolation that post is villagery. but manti is a smooth wolf capable of faking that and this inquisitive mindset hasn't been consistent - there aren't more moments of this, it was a one-off thing in a backdrop of posts that just.. aren't solving lol. the number of "if i was wolf posts" or "i wish i was a wolf" just feel like the type of openwolf meming that people have fun with too

- ender's recent posts are decent, think his semi-omgus/snapback on sunbae was villagery as well as the way he explained his knights ping and other reads based on the way those players are speaking about his slot

- the reasons bop gave to suspect wisdom are mostly things she is often suspected for as town because she has a kinda esoteric playstyle. not that she can't be a wolf here but i just didn't find those points convincing. i agree with the jan read feeling like TMI but shrug. one post at sod and the rest of her content is fine

[didistetter]

name a more iconic duo than fuppies and thinking all the wagons are town / the consensus is wrong

thats a me problem not a fuppy problem. they learned it from me

if i had to i would probs vote knights before gemma, but i dont love either option

cant be around much this afternoon b/c work, but ill try to get home pre-eod

i think i kinda townread jan. thats extremely not normal for me and im trying to figure out what that means since i tend to perma scum him

[Wisdom]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

Might be able to pop in again later, but skimmed a bit and this post pings me. Dya's the best player at reading me in this PL and usually catches me d1 when I'm wolfing, I've never seen them doubt me like this.

[dyachei]

didn't syn not care as wolf either though? seems like a weird read to have especially given you got him wrong last game lol

that's exactly why I gave the caveat I did. And yes, he dgaf as either alignment, he could easily be a wolf here and he might be. If I had to give a read on him that's what i would read him as currently

not sure why you think i was like...defending him or pushing hard on that read or like I want anyone to follow me on that read

[dyachei]

Might be able to pop in again later, but skimmed a bit and this post pings me. Dya's the best player at reading me in this PL and usually catches me d1 when I'm wolfing, I've never seen them doubt me like this.

you're thinking of someone else, I always have problems reading you. like every single game I've said something along these lines.

[ColonelLubriderm]

if it helps i am becoming increasingly confident you are a villager (not related to this post). also off the top of my head you are missing dya/benneh/sunbae/sheep

i have some time on a pc until i receive a call so will try do some not skimmed reading before eod


btw post cap is fixed also for eod so pay attention to not waste too many posts @everyone


@insomnia can you condense in 1 post why you think i could be a wolf?

benneh is certainly an alignment that's for sure. and i have thoughts on it but im not specifically saying it for reasons which will certainly make everyone roll their eyes when i say it tomorrow;

dya i havent found as overwhelmingly villagy as sunbae has but like some others, for me their alignment becomes more clear overtime and i am fine giving them that time so i can get that read. caveat, i havent played with them in a smaller game in who knows how long so the things im looking for may or may not apply anymore, either way i still think time is the best solution

read my earlier post from about 6 hours ago wrt sheep

sunbae ive been tinfoiling as w/w with dya or maybe just TMI'ing dya V but there are posts of his that I like and make me think its just me worrying about monsters in the closet. I don't love the read on jan and i personally didnt find rasko wolfy. I dont think i agreed with what he said(honestly i have no idea what hsi reads are but i dont think i agreed with them) but his tone/vibes felt towny

alot of this is a wet bag of hedgy but its where im at

[Arctic]

this is not rational nor charitable but sunbae's "we should look at people who nobody is talking about" thing floating stett in the same group as wisdom/syn kinda pings me. like those are different flavors of not being discussed - in stett's case it's because they are universally townread and independently obvious town and in the cases of the other two it's because they haven't posted enough or nobody really knows. and i think a villa might be a bit more discerning in the targets of "who is nobody talking about" than dropping these three names and saying they all had "vague town vibes" when that isn't really the case. they did the same thing with grr too. idk. it might not even be wolfy because there's the argument that a wolf might be more in tune with the consensus and what they can push. but still feels like a kinda strange angle for a villager to go for

[ladd]

I honeslty wouldnt expect knights to play like this as either alignment

bit confusing



i skimmed manti iso real quick and i think i forgot how to read manti since its been so long lol I do agree with artic that they got some weirdly super confident villa reads?

idk i dont even find that infamous 6 words post particularly villagery buy ymmv




really vibing with what artic is saying in this spurt of posting

[ColonelLubriderm]

im un-rescinding the villagy lean i had on arctic

[Arctic]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?

does the votecount tell you anything if you are a villager who hasn't read anything?

if you have read something then disregard but i usually feel like opening with wanting to know the votecount is more of a wolf thing because wolves know who their teammates are and town has to read to find that information out

[ladd]

I don't love the read on jan and i personally didnt find rasko wolfy. I dont think i agreed with what he said(honestly i have no idea what hsi reads are but i dont think i agreed with them) but his tone/vibes felt towny

yea this is basically how i feel about them

thx for the other reads too :y:


artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh

lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun


just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr

confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan

rask

this is where reads i strongly care about end

wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa

leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae


the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers

ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now

benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe



not evne gonna list monte/vanta

[Wisdom]

you're thinking of someone else, I always have problems reading you. like every single game I've said something along these lines.

I realized when thinking about it a bit more that you once caught me d1 when wolf and have defended me a lot d1 with "Wisdom is usually pushed for stuff like this" which isn't the same as finding me as town. In my brain you're a Wisdom pro but I can see that I might have confbiased.

[ladd]

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts