Tarot Mafia

[Arctic]

@Arctic talk to me about the bolded pls?

the way dya has responded to pressure feels more in line with their town game. don't really feel like going into detail. sunbae's soulread on dya is probably accurate or TMI imo. if sunbae is a wolf the framing of that post is clearly done for towncred so it's more likely to be TMI

bop i think has just had consistently good solving/thoughts. i think he's the best example of someone trying to shake up the game in a meaningful way - while i don't agree with his push on wisdom i think there are easier targets for a wolf to go for and i think he believes on it enough. and the way he came to that read (and his knights read) felt like genuine "aha" moments when he remembered oddly specific thing (referring to when he said "i might decide to tunnel knights"). generally good vibes too

i liked insomnia's early posts particularly the depth of thought he went into esp on stuff like the dya thing. and imo there's evidence of genuine solving like how he went back to the sheep explanation post and called out parts of it after he had already taken a stance on sheep looking fine and knights looking bad. separately i don't think he takes the angle he's taken today on the stronger players having wolves and feigning frustration at that. cuz that isn't really gonna be tenable if the consensus is correct
i suppose there is a world where like, if the consensus is wrong then he's leveraging TMI of that being the case to set up pushes on the stronger players for "being wrong" without actually committing to it today. but this kinda doesn't mean much because in that world his partners would also be stronger players and i don't think he'd want to be sewing those seeds early on

probably not a great reason for ladd and i'm doubting it recently - but i've like. melded with him on most things and have felt like he's had occasional odd/quirky towny thoughts a wolf wouldn't think of (i cant really be bothered to find examples rn but im not defending this read anymore so w/e). i see the concerns floated about him and i don't really disagree with them

[theknightsofneeee]

Fuck lacking was supposed to be in italics

Now the whole post is ruined

[ladd]

god damn it

I was thinking in the shower I didn't like my vote on ender and considering who to vote and dismissing both knights and gemma as counters because knights is always wolfy and so is gemma. So i was like, you know, i'm reconsidering my stance on syn, I'll go vote them because there's not much pressure there. Then i come online and see like 4 votes for syn

vote: syn

villagery post

[Arctic]

i would be more motivated to iso people if it wasn't hell to do so. probably. like i think i should re-visit ladd/jan/syn specifically

and i've just realized i forgot to explain syn - from memory his posts were an improvement from the last game he played here where he was a wolf cuz he actually started holding multiple wolfreads and forming a worldview rather than just pushing one guy. and rask, the guy who immediately caught him in that game, thinks he's town here. so even tho i am a little concerned about him dropping off the face of the earth (he kinda did this last game) i kinda wanna respect rask's read

[didistetter]

god damn it

I was thinking in the shower I didn't like my vote on ender and considering who to vote and dismissing both knights and gemma as counters because knights is always wolfy and so is gemma. So i was like, you know, i'm reconsidering my stance on syn, I'll go vote them because there's not much pressure there. Then i come online and see like 4 votes for syn

vote: syn

this post kinda stresses me out but idek if i sr it or not

[Gemma]

Nothing.

The last 2 games (on here) people wanted my read on gemma because they had trouble getting a grip on her.

The playerbase is not all that different but nobody has asked me till now.
I don't think my gemma read is good. I was wrong the last time around.
Mostly because she told me she was keen to rand wolf and then played a fairly low-effort/underwhelming wolf game.

I dislike knights making gemma his 2nd best wolf pick because it is the counterwagon and feels easy.

I have a very different vote in the back of my head but I just got back and want to get up to date and doublecheck a post before I actually use my god given power.

bro i wanted the wolf rand so bad this game

i think it comes in waves tbh

[dyachei]

this post kinda stresses me out but idek if i sr it or not

why does it stress you out?

[ladd]

i would be more motivated to iso people if it wasn't hell to do so. probably. like i think i should re-visit ladd/jan/syn specifically

and i've just realized i forgot to explain syn - from memory his posts were an improvement from the last game he played here where he was a wolf cuz he actually started holding multiple wolfreads and forming a worldview rather than just pushing one guy. and rask, the guy who immediately caught him in that game, thinks he's town here. so even tho i am a little concerned about him dropping off the face of the earth (he kinda did this last game) i kinda wanna respect rask's read

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

[dyachei]

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

i dont really like sheep and dont really get why other people do. i dont really think he's moving the game forward

[EnderWiggin]

Syn counterwagon eod gives me eepies.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

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[ColonelLubriderm]

for a tldr; 96 hours and 53 minutes til reckoning

[EnderWiggin]

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

i dont really like sheep and dont really get why other people do. i dont really think he's moving the game forward

Sheep is town fight me.

[Newcomb]

Syn counterwagon eod gives me eepies.

you should probably do something about that then

[Gemma]

I aim to please. (I called it a forced read for a reason because no one is explaining their vreads on you very well so I was trying to find reasons they might actually think you are a villager, because the reasons being presented to me looked like nothing to me lol. It's not actually my read.)

because of how over the top he was about the breadth and girth of his gamestate read

he's not a scary wolf dw about it

[Arctic]

I’d argue I haven’t been wolfy and people (like Newcomb) who are voting me don’t really have a reason to vote me so much as they are just apathetic to the lynch

But there have been a distinct lack of people defending me this game, and at this point almost half the game has said they would consider me for a lunch, which should mean something wrt my alignment in a game of this small size and with a player base as strong as this.

Consensus targets in a stacked game like this are almost always villagers because the wolves are able to make a convincing argument to lynch a villager, and the villagers are also strong villagers who just happen to be wrong, but believe it.

And I have in no way had a ‘crash out obvious day 1 wolf game’ (I definitely have had those before lol) so the fact that it’s been pretty obvious that people were gestating up the ability to vote on me for most the day should really speak volumes.

on the bolded - isn't the implication there that you are mafia?

i dunno i guess there's two ways of looking at it. if no one is defending someone it might mean they are a wolf cuz nobody townreads them. but it might mean they are town cuz wolves would be trying to save them. but tbc there are some people defending you just nobody is really going hard about it. which is understandable, and the lack of a hard defence of you doesn't really help me parse your alignment because if you are a wolf i don't think your posting has been good enough for your teammates to get away with doing that without outting themselves because clearly wolf!you has an expiration date. i think the more likely thing is they'd push someone else out instead, which, i suppose might be a point in your favour because it doesn't really feel like that's been happening, except maybe on gemma

[Montmorency]

i would be more motivated to iso people if it wasn't hell to do so. probably. like i think i should re-visit ladd/jan/syn specifically

and i've just realized i forgot to explain syn - from memory his posts were an improvement from the last game he played here where he was a wolf cuz he actually started holding multiple wolfreads and forming a worldview rather than just pushing one guy. and rask, the guy who immediately caught him in that game, thinks he's town here. so even tho i am a little concerned about him dropping off the face of the earth (he kinda did this last game) i kinda wanna respect rask's read

Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity?



Here's how I see this EOD.

Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.

Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.

Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.

Few thoughts about anyone else.

I'll do the right thing.

[theknightsofneeee]

Just went through cobalts iso and still like 95% of it, only minor ping I got was this post

I'm not really worried about a singular vote from someone who is pretty townread at this point because I'm fairly confident you'll be able to look elsewhere.

Idk where you're going with this post. I don't feel some typa way about you voting me at all. Do you babes.

Because I distinctly remember villa cobalt being pretty sensitive to getting pushed/voted (to the point that cobalt blasted me day 1 on anni when I was a wolf for doing so)

Obviously that’s a mash and this is a small game, and that was a couple years ago and play styles change, but just pinged me that the dismissive stuff here could be an act.

For the most part I agree with almost every read cobalt gave, and the vibes are still good

[EnderWiggin]

you should probably do something about that then

I mean my defense is "Rask has been catching Syn for months on D1 and has them as a townread" and that just feels bad as a defense.

Also Knights said they'd look into Cobalt for me and has done ~nothing despite me reaching out and trying to take their Jan read at face value and assume them town for a moment. Which honestly feels kinda bad.

I acknowledge the "Laptop on fire" defense, but I feel like that came wayyyyy later after my initial dialogue. (I even just ISO'd Knights just now to make sure.)

[EnderWiggin]

The irony of Knights making a post about Cobalt and ninja'ing my comment calling them out for not doing that is hilarious.

[Arctic]

I made a case on why I think Jan is a wolf, and I’m voting him, that should be obvious.

WRT maple (mantichora) I think his fixation on grr for like 10 posts and wanting to kill the fuck out of him, and then eventually realizing what I think every one else knew from the outset that it was probably just a weird post and NAI, was super villagers and something I have done in the past as a villager. Sometimes you think you caught someone and you have to slowly realize it was probably nothing and move on.

The only reason I didn't criticize that post was because my understanding was that you were framing it as a "jan is being townread for bad reasons" thing and not a wolfcase, but i kind of have an issue if you're framing it as the latter pretty much because of what Newcomb said, it mostly felt like generic statements and IIOA to suggest that jan shouldn't be townread - but how is this a wolfcase?

Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

[didistetter]

why does it stress you out?

idk it felt a lil overexplainy as a "rejoining thread and hopping on bandwagon" post

[Gemma]

I will say my heart is not really in the knights thing either; it was mostly that he racked up enough generic wolf tell type things that it was like, well, smoke, fire? But it's not a very personal bespoke push that I can get excited about

didnt u say 65 that's a very strong wolfread unless u meant 65 to be v

[EnderWiggin]

Just went through cobalts iso and still like 95% of it, only minor ping I got was this post



Because I distinctly remember villa cobalt being pretty sensitive to getting pushed/voted (to the point that cobalt blasted me day 1 on anni when I was a wolf for doing so)

Obviously that’s a mash and this is a small game, and that was a couple years ago and play styles change, but just pinged me that the dismissive stuff here could be an act.

For the most part I agree with almost every read cobalt gave, and the vibes are still good

Can you point at two reads that you strongly agree with from em and why?

[ladd]

Just went through cobalts iso and still like 95% of it, only minor ping I got was this post



Because I distinctly remember villa cobalt being pretty sensitive to getting pushed/voted (to the point that cobalt blasted me day 1 on anni when I was a wolf for doing so)

Obviously that’s a mash and this is a small game, and that was a couple years ago and play styles change, but just pinged me that the dismissive stuff here could be an act.

For the most part I agree with almost every read cobalt gave, and the vibes are still good

uh what reads cobalt gave you agree with?

cobalt gave:

- artic and sunbea villa reads--> you villa read neitehr of them

- sheep wolf read --> you villa read them

- stett/newcomb v reads --> ok you have these

- wisdom wolf read --> you have no read on them



if i read their iso and was you i def wouldnt say i agree with their reads

[Jan]

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?

While at a PC for a moment:

Sure he’s low quantity of content but he’s not being actively wolfy, and sunbae has been just as low content, but hasn’t had a shining moment of billageriness that I usually get/feel from villa sunbae.

He is LACKING.

this take is actually bad. sunbae stopped posting because he was topposter and actually had some fine solving post in the last 24 hours.
both in absolute post as well as in % sunbae is way above ben in content. it is just not a good take.

[Arctic]

its spooky cause you are building up to this big bad ladd narrative but voting against someone that is clearly never paired with me

your reasons for suspecting me are terrible btw

did i ever say you were repping me/newcomb w/w? Idr it, i just remember you posting a villa list that did not have either me and newcomb and i told you that newcomb is an easy add



@Newcomb syn was a wolf in their last game here and was def worse but i also think they are worse here than their vila games...so inconclusive. If it helps you give a baseline they are generally a snarky villager with fairly confident reads who makes a lot 1 liners

...another meld with ladd (kinda)

also i was about to ask about syn towngames because stett didnt seem impressed but yeah now i dont really know what to do if their play here is between their town and wolfgames

[EnderWiggin]

Talking of "Mindmelding reads that people hate"

I actually really like Ladd picking the exact same thing to question out of Knight's response.

[Arctic]

mostly folk v read them or don't wolf read them and i dont care enough to campaign for it

i'd vote him lol

[didistetter]

Vote: theknightsofneeee

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totally def not opportunistically changing course and joining a wagon b/c he's postly poorly atm.

nah. i actually dont like his eod so far. feels kinda scrambly in a non-town way, and his focuses are odd