Tarot Mafia

[Wisdom]

>: Excuse you multiquote!

[ladd]

Didnt Jan end on Gemma?

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

[Sunbae]

Oh you also weren't there on EoD, darn ^^

You might be right, but in your woof pile I only really see Mont and Vanta as possible hits.

Thoughts on C0balt/Dolby? Doesn't see him on the list.

OH! missed that one. Currently in the bottom pile but no actual read. Will try to shore that one up soon

[Sunbae]

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

thank you for the lore background, saw people saying rask reads syn well but didnt realize it was to that degree. i always hesitate to put a lot of stock in the last sentence type things cause i cant really know what weird things people might try but I will keep it in mind. Out of curiosity, do you feel like Rask posted towards Syn near eod like someone who reads someone well and thinks they are a villager?

[Sunbae]

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

ahhh gotcha ok

can you talk more about the box in thing? im not 100% following but i think its cause i wasnt around

and i get it, its hard to not love jan <3

[ladd]

ahhh gotcha ok

can you talk more about the box in thing? im not 100% following but i think its cause i wasnt around

and i get it, its hard to not love jan <3

I would but i have no idea whats the box in thing

[Wisdom]

thank you for the lore background, saw people saying rask reads syn well but didnt realize it was to that degree. i always hesitate to put a lot of stock in the last sentence type things cause i cant really know what weird things people might try but I will keep it in mind. Out of curiosity, do you feel like Rask posted towards Syn near eod like someone who reads someone well and thinks they are a villager?

Don't think I've read the posts you're talking about. Last Rask/Syn thing I remember was Rask explaining to me why he thought Syn was town.

[Wisdom]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

[Sunbae]

I would but i have no idea whats the box in thing

like why you thought jan was boxing in to one of those two votes

[ColonelLubriderm]

-I just woke up

[ColonelLubriderm]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

I for one am shocked at this turn of events

[ladd]

-I just woke up

you are my newcomb, time to lunch a wolf then die





@Sunbae it was these posts (mostly the last post, cause like if he was leaning villa on syn and didnt wolfread rask i dont get why he was voting rask and focusing so much on the rask/sy dinamyc); but after his explanation and reading back on his reads he did say he liked none of the previous wagons so that makes it more understandable i guess

you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?

While at a PC for a moment:



this take is actually bad. sunbae stopped posting because he was topposter and actually had some fine solving post in the last 24 hours.
both in absolute post as well as in % sunbae is way above ben in content. it is just not a good take.

vote: raskolnikov

this was rasks last take on syn.

because I don't think rask is wrong on syn.

it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.
in either world voting rask is better.

if it is v/v either vote is bad.

[ColonelLubriderm]

you are my newcomb, time to lunch a wolf then die

Real talk, I truly feel I helped getting syn going despite not staying there. This is not a meme

[Wisdom]

Vote: Vanta Black

Everyone else has done something towny at this point.

I still think Gemma could be a wolf but I'll give her some benefit of the doubt for the timing when she voted Syn (knowing that Syn only had 1 or 2 votes and would become more of a contesting wagon).

I think Syn was really busable at that point tho.

[ladd]

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. @Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

@Montmorency

i am gonna need you to pull the receipts on how it's similar to that game (that i have no recollection of fwiw lol) because literally all i did was say to newcomb that if given a shot i'd dayvig syn and syn going "what really", I don't see how it would make you lean on it being distancing vs v/w

and hally being on the list but not me is cause i am not on visor OP list since i subbed in for hally and thats probably the list syn used

Real talk, I truly feel I helped getting syn going despite not staying there. This is not a meme

i believe it. i think you/artic/stett/grr are the most obvious villagers itg

[ladd]

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

i have seen it


how would you expect syn/rask w/w to play out?

[ColonelLubriderm]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

I have nitpicks but by and large this is where I am at as well(nitpicks being I’d lower the strength of a few of the top/mid tier)

[didistetter]

I was inverted last night. Not sure what that means.

Will be more conservative with posts today lol

>rand village action targeting my slot, depending what this means.

Gonna laugh if this ends up being a loud douse.

Syn slipping me into top village for no reason is nagl, I'm sure ??

In any case, slotting stet and knights into v for the moment. I'm not feeling the need to go back on any of my prior v leans at this moment.

Interested in ender and wisdom to start with, thinking about some other peeps too.

so,

my apologies if this is BM, I checked the various rule threads and couldn’t see anything that would indicate its a problem.

But

This has been gnawing at me and I realized why.

Before inning this game, I read through a game on MU to make sure this one wasn't gonna be super bastard or anything, and one of the mafia roles in that game was a mafia spy: who can invert a role once per game

My issue here is that: maple endgamed that game, and was def aware of the role. So mentioning the effect here but assuming its town motivated feels kinda weird.

Thought is bothering me that Manti could be drawing on experience to infer being targeted by a maf for cred.

Or maybe this game just has a mafia spy who burnt their inverse on manti N1 off a pr read.

Idk.
@Maple what makes you think it was >rand village action, and why not draw on your experience from secret game?

anyways back to sleep, that was just nagging at me

[Wisdom]

i have seen it


how would you expect syn/rask w/w to play out?

Syn would probably bus Rask lol
And Rask would probably avoid Syn until there's some thread temp on him

Maybe. Just my 2c

[didistetter]

didistetter (i think i read you didnt like didi but can i shorten to stett?)

on that list, id be very itnerested on the 0-1 wolf tier from your pov.

@Sunbae stett is great

if you mean my thoughts on your 0-1 tier, benneh is nowhere near a TR for me. the rest i agree with.

if you're asking what my 0-1 tier would look like:

grr
ColonelLubriderm
Insomnia
Arctic
dyachei
Theknightsofneeee

[ColonelLubriderm]

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

Wait til you see what stet alignment really is

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn what do you make of

I did not get stubbornness from this or the vibes I’m talking about. The task and Jan sus felt organic to me and echod some concerns I had about rask, plus it was him engaging ppl to sort out his read proactively rather than reactively being stubborn about changing it when challenged or asked to consider other viewpoints

also like he might be/have been right about rask lol

i think the callouts on you/Arctic make sense because he doesn’t have a ton of experience with either of you. Idk, there’s like awkwardness to the callout on you cause you were talked about but I feel like he’s savvy enough and maybe too self aware as a wolf to address something like that. I don’t see what purpose that serves regrdlesss of lots of varying alignments of you/him/others and he’s very much a purpose driven wolf

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae stett is great

if you mean my thoughts on your 0-1 tier, benneh is nowhere near a TR for me. the rest i agree with.

if you're asking what my 0-1 tier would look like:

grr
ColonelLubriderm
Insomnia
Arctic
dyachei
Theknightsofneeee

Ok can you break down Grr for me? I'd love to be able to lock that one in

[nebjiamn]

fwiw, I think benneh specifically can get there on me being a lock villager right now with some thought

Unfortunately for you I am in a head empty no thoughts space rn. I’m even wearing the shirt. (I’m not I wish I bought it)

[Sunbae]

hi benneh!

[Sunbae]

Unfortunately for you I am in a head empty no thoughts space rn. I’m even wearing the shirt. (I’m not I wish I bought it)

thats ok! i trust youll get there :)

[ColonelLubriderm]

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

Iget that you feel that rask is a villa because you think it’s suboptimal but to say you’ve never seen this feels so hyperbolic it borders on incredulous. I say this based on the fact that even though I don’t think we’ve played together a lot, i know you’ve played a lot and this type of play is probably in the uncommon variety but not rare or ultra rare.

[ladd]

vote:maple

I will probably afk and just read for a while

[Sunbae]

I did not get stubbornness from this or the vibes I’m talking about. The task and Jan sus felt organic to me and echod some concerns I had about rask, plus it was him engaging ppl to sort out his read proactively rather than reactively being stubborn about changing it when challenged or asked to consider other viewpoints

also like he might be/have been right about rask lol

i think the callouts on you/Arctic make sense because he doesn’t have a ton of experience with either of you. Idk, there’s like awkwardness to the callout on you cause you were talked about but I feel like he’s savvy enough and maybe too self aware as a wolf to address something like that. I don’t see what purpose that serves regrdlesss of lots of varying alignments of you/him/others and he’s very much a purpose driven wolf

Are you proud of me for not talking about myself so much!!

[Sunbae]

I have nitpicks but by and large this is where I am at as well(nitpicks being I’d lower the strength of a few of the top/mid tier)

im all for nitpicking atm, which ones?