Tarot Mafia

[Jan]

@Jan why did u vote me lol

Ladd told me my vote was useless and I agreed.

Didn't want to vote knights or sheep.
Had seconds left and it was mostly a signal if syn flips villa.

[didistetter]

@Gemma

i kinda feel like you ought to be in prime position to solve rn if town, given the wagons, susses, and shade on you.

how much investigating have you done based around people's approach to you this game?

what slots are currently in your poe/where you want to push more?

[Sunbae]

Im going to see deadpool and wolverine

Im pretty sure I'm gonna be able to just big vibe and shitpost this game while the titans of werewolf actually solve shit for me <3

[didistetter]

@Sunbae o/

question if you can recall where your head was at

when you popped into thread yesterday asking about slots "no one was discussing" and included me, wisdom, and syn: what made you choose that particular group of 3?

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae o/

question if you can recall where your head was at

when you popped into thread yesterday asking about slots "no one was discussing" and included me, wisdom, and syn: what made you choose that particular group of 3?

I scrolled the list and grabbed three names of people I had no thoughts on

[didistetter]

I scrolled the list and grabbed three names of people I had no thoughts on

who did/do you have strong thoughts on?

@didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

frankly, i thought your excercise kinda fits this description from benneh. im curious where you think it fits with your townplay, and if you think benneh's description of your style is accurate or not.

this is not rational nor charitable but sunbae's "we should look at people who nobody is talking about" thing floating stett in the same group as wisdom/syn kinda pings me. like those are different flavors of not being discussed - in stett's case it's because they are universally townread and independently obvious town and in the cases of the other two it's because they haven't posted enough or nobody really knows. and i think a villa might be a bit more discerning in the targets of "who is nobody talking about" than dropping these three names and saying they all had "vague town vibes" when that isn't really the case. they did the same thing with grr too. idk. it might not even be wolfy because there's the argument that a wolf might be more in tune with the consensus and what they can push. but still feels like a kinda strange angle for a villager to go for

ngl arctic kinda expressed soemthing pinging me about your excercise here. frankly, i was lock towned way too quickly imo, and the only person to really push back on it was wisdom, but i was prety high presence in thread, so not having any opinion on me when i was top of most people's readlists and also actively pushing people like benneh and ladd while v reading slots like knights/sheep/gemma kinda is odd to me to be tossed in same group as syn the maf and wisdom.

like—you've never played with me, so i wouldn't expect a strong read, but—idk it kinda felt like you were going through the motions of looking collaborative and towny without having any real stake in it, and without bothering to actually read thread.

i'm not sure if that's wolfy, but it doesn't quite sit right

[Jan]

@Sunbae

Did you purposely stop at 69 posts?
Do you think I did?

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae

Did you purposely stop at 69 posts?
Do you think I did?

yes
yes

[Gemma]

@Gemma

i kinda feel like you ought to be in prime position to solve rn if town, given the wagons, susses, and shade on you.

how much investigating have you done based around people's approach to you this game?

what slots are currently in your poe/where you want to push more?

yannow people say that about folk in similar spots and idrgi personally, lot of folk myself included probably just feel more stifled by people pushing them than like achieving thread ascendancy or w/e

as a rule i rarely engage with people's reads on me, so basically none aside from ladd and none incoming at any point i'll leave that up to others with a less biased view

as for the second q i dont have enough v reads to have a functional poe so im more interested in fixing that before i bother pushing anyone also im lazy so im just gonna let reads come to me maybe i iso some folk at some point if im really stuck but eh

did that help

[didistetter]

yannow people say that about folk in similar spots and idrgi personally, lot of folk myself included probably just feel more stifled by people pushing them than like achieving thread ascendancy or w/e

as a rule i rarely engage with people's reads on me, so basically none aside from ladd and none incoming at any point i'll leave that up to others with a less biased view

as for the second q i dont have enough v reads to have a functional poe so im more interested in fixing that before i bother pushing anyone also im lazy so im just gonna let reads come to me maybe i iso some folk at some point if im really stuck but eh

did that help

not rlly but thanks for responding :P

ig it helps me figure out ur vibe at least

[Sunbae]

who did/do you have strong thoughts on?

This is not a barbed or pointed question but just to get a gauge on where we are at: have you read my posts or just skimmed them for general vibes? Its a big game so the second one is totally fine (I've done that with plenty in this game!). I just wanna know where to start

[Gemma]

hot off the presses

(he's right next to me)

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae: tbh I just think I confused you with sheep or gemma because it's their readlist (which are kinda similar on the lower side) I was targeting with "kinda sorted by expected ww competence". "Consensual" was not the right word because I have been just washed irl for the D1 timeline smh. "safe" would be a better description of what I had in mind re these readlist. So, guess sorry about it from a solving pov. Good news is that I now have the time.

ok that makes sense, I read that and was like WHAT lmao

[Sunbae]

fwiw, I think benneh specifically can get there on me being a lock villager right now with some thought

[Sunbae]

its spooky cause you are building up to this big bad ladd narrative but voting against someone that is clearly never paired with me

hmph

[Sunbae]

anyone around? here for vibes and dont really wanna post into the void

[didistetter]

This is not a barbed or pointed question but just to get a gauge on where we are at: have you read my posts or just skimmed them for general vibes? Its a big game so the second one is totally fine (I've done that with plenty in this game!). I just wanna know where to start

@Sunbae

I’ve read everything in thread afaik, not all of it has firmly stuck but:

My notes on your reads, so correct me if I’m wrong

Strong town reads:
Dya
Maple
Benneh
Insomnia

People you townread but also shaded some:
Newcomb
Knights

Townleans:
Arctic
Grr

People you had “mild towny vibes on”
Wisdom
Didistetter
Syn

People you FoS:
Enderwiggin
Ladd
Jan
Raskolnikov


So, ig I was wanting to see how your reads have/haven’t shifted. Seems like you still sus jan, but I’m curious how, if anything, a red flip and eod/wagons have affected your reeval (if you’ve had much time to read latter half of d1 yet)

Idk some of your longer posts felt pure imo, but some of your reads and insistence on TRs (maple, benneh) feel.. oddly strong? Espec given you said you’ve misread maple before


ender is also weird to me. feel like you haven't interacted there at all, and it was kinda echoing benneh's sus there, which. frankly skeeves me out from both of yall but feels probably unpaired.

[Sunbae]

I don't think I can help you with much here didistetter, sorry

Your last sentence is about me not interacting with Ender but I do not know how I am supposed to interact with Ender when we haven't been in the thread at the same time? I expressed an early suspicion there, elaborated why, then focused elsewhere. Then in another stint I responded to something he said about me leading the suspicion on him despite it being the most mild of concern expression and moved on. Though the irony of Ender saying I was the cause of his wagon while Knights was shading me for not being Newcomb and nobody wanting to vote for anyone I was sketchy on was not lost on me.

I do not know how to explain better than I already have on reads on Benneh and Maple (I'll even throw in Dya). I spent individual posts trying to explain to Newcomb those three specific reads (I am well aware people listen to him more and was hoping outside of getting to volleyball with each other that he could signal boost stuff for me, alas). Though I have taken his Maple stuff to heart and have moved Maple down some.

I cannot respond to your previous question of "you feel performative" with anything other than what boils down "nah" or "k" and both of those are far too antagonistic/dismissive for what I feel (which is just "thats like, your opinion and no amount of 'nah' can really disprove that" so I'm just gonna mostly shrug at it and move on).

[Maple]

k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:

Wagons as of #1170

Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple




Wagons as of
#1197

Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency

not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk

i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.

it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?

maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk

I'm sure one *could* verify this if they wanted to spend the effort on it, but the general idea goes like this.

The idea is that you swap over to whichever wagon is probably going over to confirm it as the kill in case of shenanigans. Frankly, I didnt care who went over between gemma syn rask. I was going to vote to protect knights if need be. I preferred one of the slots i didnt give a shit about over sheep because while d1ing sheep again would be really funny it'd be rude.

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Refraining from commenting on Dolby's stuff for the moment, don't want to rattle things quite yet.

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Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

Your wording here stands out to me but I'm going to chalk that up to a me problem for now.

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my brain is currently incapable of reading jan's wall

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feeling cute might tunnel arctic for like 40 posts, im considering it

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before someone asks, whenever i feel like making a post, i just add another section to this post rather than spamming all these out in real time, im trying to conserve a bit so i can spam realtime later

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got nothing to talk about for now, prob gonna go to bed and check in tomorrow, unless people start posting at me

[Sunbae]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

[Wisdom]

I think rask looks like a very likely syn partner. Ender didn't come off great either in reading interactions. Rask post #179 particularly pinged me as w/w

Only here to check the flips but I really don't think Rask would go ham on calling Syn town the way he did if he was a wolf. It's rare for any wolf to town lock a mate town like that. Just think he's a wrong villager.

[Sunbae]

Only here to check the flips but I really don't think Rask would go ham on calling Syn town the way he did if he was a wolf. It's rare for any wolf to town lock a mate town like that. Just think he's a wrong villager.

Could you explain that a little more for me please? Would love to town Rask, esp with the explanation given earlier that makes me not so squinty at Rask

[Wisdom]

Nvm I've probably slept enough

I would like to interact a bit before the americans realizes sleep is a good thing.

Sunbae, do you think the Syn wagon was pure and if so, why?

[Sunbae]

didistetter (i think i read you didnt like didi but can i shorten to stett?)

on that list, id be very itnerested on the 0-1 wolf tier from your pov.

[Sunbae]

Nvm I've probably slept enough

I would like to interact a bit before the americans realizes sleep is a good thing.

Sunbae, do you think the Syn wagon was pure and if so, why?

I don't think it has to be, no but it's hard for me to gauge the eod vibes without me being around so I'm just taking a lot at face value right now and seeing how everyone reacts today

[Sunbae]

Ladd told me my vote was useless and I agreed.

Didn't want to vote knights or sheep.
Had seconds left and it was mostly a signal if syn flips villa.

I think I can understand this. Can you chat with me about my list? I'd like to iron it out some and people in my bottom tier are probs the best to give input on where I might be mistaken

[Sunbae]

I dont really have a problem with you(jan) defeding syn via rask read cause thats logical, what pinged me is the way you boxed yourself into voting just rask or syn that i really dont get


Alrighty i sleep for real. Laterz

Didnt Jan end on Gemma?

[Wisdom]

Kinda agree lol. I read 2 pages and I wanna kill the colonel and Vanta. Syn is town. Never rescind

Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

[Sunbae]

catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.

I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p

Wait let me reread Grrr if the votes are bad one sec

[Wisdom]

Kinda agree lol. I read 2 pages and I wanna kill the colonel and Vanta. Syn is town. Never rescind

Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng

I don't think it has to be, no but it's hard for me to gauge the eod vibes without me being around so I'm just taking a lot at face value right now and seeing how everyone reacts today

Oh you also weren't there on EoD, darn ^^

You might be right, but in your woof pile I only really see Mont and Vanta as possible hits.

Thoughts on C0balt/Dolby? Doesn't see him on the list.