Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

I dont just wanna ignore this becuz in the last game i had a similar ping on something cobalt said and i thought hm would v.cobalt ever say this and it was a correct hunch (that being said the stuff from cobalt was like, longer progression so it meant a lot more to me).

I just dont know if the expectations i have about dya are correct at all. (ladd alr. answered that it's not out of character for them)

maybe it's not out of character, but it's rare i'd say

[insomnia]

happy birthday knights, lead the lunch on a wolf, i think that's the best gift you could give yourself hehe

[grr]

Vote: Unvote

Don't know where to go right now. Sunbae kinda makes sad puppy eyes every time I vote him and as I said I kinda dont think benneh/sunbae are paired so i'm like, fine listening to benneh here even when im not sure how convinced I am myself.

[grr]

Also happy birthday, knights!

[didistetter]

Lol Stett :3 Why are you like this?^^
I'm not really sure what you expect from me this game!

@Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.

first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.

i voted in response to #1581 because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.

that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.

for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.

you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the

How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?

post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.


also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.

i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?

i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.

it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.

maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?

instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.


i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game

[grr]

Whatever friendo. U dont wanna try.

Ill one last time. I dont care about u being nice or anything (frankly lol at ur post pal, hilarious bruh but ok, ill take it lmao). What is preventing me from tr u is like:

1. U posted a lot of thoughts on various slots
2. U choose this as a sticker.

From my pow its throwing D1. A lot of people think D1 is just banter and shitposting but its really not. From my pow villa!you just threw. So I am wondering why u did that as opposed to say, follow up on ur other reads?

Ill follow the crowd from the time being but the question is there.

this post felt real btw. not sure if a wolf would be this umm, righteous (not sure if this is the right word) about that. So like, Ig I'm just towning Raskol again and he can read me however he likes, altho its not gonna give him the full solve if he thinks im a wolf hehe. ^^

[didistetter]

Happy bday knights!!!

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
2	Maple	Ladd, Dolby
1	Wisdom	Didistetter
1	Jan	Theknightsofneeee
1	Dolby	ColonelLubriderm
1	Nebjiamn	Gemma
1	Enderwiggin	Nebjiamn
1	Raskolnikov	Enderwiggin
1	Gemma	Wisdom
1	Theknightsofneeee	Raskolnikov
9	Not voting	Insomnia, Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr

sick wagons

[insomnia]

im voting benneh

[didistetter]

@insomnia curious on your thoughts on wisdom, maple, and ladd

im too used to relying on zara to read manti for me and idk you're closest thing to zara in my brain

[grr]

So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?

[didistetter]

k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:

Wagons as of #1170

Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple




Wagons as of
#1197

Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency

not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk

i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.

it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?

maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk

idk but these wagons are probs a good starting point @grr

[Dolby]

So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?

Jan and Maple look bad in that world imo. Maybe Montmorency but I think Monty's unvote at EOD was him just not feeling confident voting anyone. I'm probably the worst person to give you a take on this though bc I still haven't read the full thread and idk how viable knights/gemma wagons were in the last 10 minutes (cause I don't know certain people's reads on them)

[didistetter]

if rask is town, jan/maple/mont almost always has 1-2 wolves

rest were probs less involved eod, afk, or vanitying/no voting

[nebjiamn]

So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?

maple looks worst but i dont really know how much we glean anyway since syn popped up pretty quickly from what i can tell. i doubt wolves were capable of responding to that in any kind of strategic way regardless of rask's alignment

[nebjiamn]

callm e a sucker but im not fully convinced jan is capable of the posting he's doing this game as wolf, including his rask stuff

if there's a wolf in him/ladd i'd lean ladd a lot more (thre isn't a dichotomy there but my brain just kinda broke this down that way from what ive been reading a bit)

[nebjiamn]

idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me

[grr]

idk but these wagons are probs a good starting point @grr

ok i feel like. jan is posting well (and probably just a difference check with ladd or at least one there). I dont know how much credence I SHOULD give that but im absorbing his posts today and i just like his defense ig.

maple idk. i have weird feelings about them they mostly confused me. First by doing more than meming, then by attacking me, then by saying they dont want me killed. I am literally just confused lol i didnt get any of that rofl

montmorencys EoD stances I actually didnt like so much?

benneh called it uninformed earlier I think but I didnt get that too much.

Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity?



Here's how I see this EOD.

Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.

Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.

Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.

Few thoughts about anyone else.

I'll do the right thing.

kinda found that mildly pingy or like, ig just spot on immediately for someone who is just like, arrived to the game late in which case sorry lol

Maybe this take is actually not that sus? now that I think of it feels like something could say who arrive late to a game where akasuki (mu player with a similar reputation for the uninformed, soz about that), gets wagoned. ummm.

I have never heard of either MontMorency nor Syn tbh.

lots of waffling (by me to be clear) -.-

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.

first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.

i voted in response to #1581 because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.

that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.

for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.

you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the



post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.


also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.

i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?

i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.

it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.

maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?

instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.


i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game

Opening thread before falling asleep was a mistake.

I voted Gemma because I think she’s the most likely to be a wolf. I tried pushing Vanta and Ben before that but exactly 0 things happened so I went back to Gemma.

My PoE is largely the same because I believe in them, the way I solve is getting a PoE through finding town reads then finding things that people in my PoE has done that's town indicative (like Bop) and checking whom I've called town for bad reasons (like Vanta). There are some slots that I've got a lot of experience with and have no clue how to read, so instead I listen to what others says about them and try to form an opinion based on that (like Insomnia).

And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^

But I mean, I'm obviously not playing my all-in game here either. I've mostly been on phone (which I avoid in Champs games if I can) and I struggle to connect with games where most action happens in my sleep and since I can't be here at EoD I can't really influence who dies (or save myself, hence I've been misyeeted on every Org game I've played) so I'm just in my own cloud trying to solve for my own sake, only giving input when I think it's worth anything.

And yeah the wall yeet post was a joke and a reminder because I've had to skip a few posts which always sucks because people are putting in effort into them that I can't comprehend without proper focus.

Sorry if I come off as aggressive, your thoughts are valid and I'm just tired <3 Good night friend, I'll adress any further issues tomorrow.
@didistetter

[Dolby]

idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me

From what I've seen so far I'm inclined to say Ender is wolfing but I'd have to ISO dive him to have a higher level of confidence

bro aint pocketing me this game

[didistetter]

Jan and Maple look bad in that world imo. Maybe Montmorency but I think Monty's unvote at EOD was him just not feeling confident voting anyone. I'm probably the worst person to give you a take on this though bc I still haven't read the full thread and idk how viable knights/gemma wagons were in the last 10 minutes (cause I don't know certain people's reads on them)

Knights wagon peaked eod when i voted him in #1110

Vc at the time was

Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (3) ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Dyachei
Raskolnikov (1) Grr
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sunbae (1) Jan
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (5) C0balt, Montmorency, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple

those wagons were at 8:20 tho, so 40 min till eod. rask and sheep counterwagons were main ones with any traction after that point

[nebjiamn]

From what I've seen so far I'm inclined to say Ender is wolfing but I'd have to ISO dive him to have a higher level of confidence

bro aint pocketing me this game

can you talk to me about why, i dont reallyt think i have a good reason but if you have meta considerations then id like to factor that in onmy reread

[insomnia]

@insomnia curious on your thoughts on wisdom, maple, and ladd

im too used to relying on zara to read manti for me and idk you're closest thing to zara in my brain

wow, you've actually ruined me with this comment


i've posted all day long about my ladd thoughts so i don't feel like repeating. as for wisdom and maple, they are both PoE for me and like all of my PoE, i just know they have nothing i would view as villagery. with me you either get the variant where I iso 24/7 and have thoughts on everyone, or i just PoE the game and if i see it's a wrong PoE, i just turn up and care more / read more

ik this doesn't help but i'd be lying if i said anything else. just straight up PoE. i've read your maple thoughts earlier and i got the point, but for me it's one of those things that i'd probably like it more only if i already had a wolf read of them based on something else and their posts haven't really stuck to me to where that'd be a thing. as it is, i can't appreciate the point in leaning towards voting him

[Dolby]

Knights wagon peaked eod when i voted him in #1110

Vc at the time was

Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (3) ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Dyachei
Raskolnikov (1) Grr
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sunbae (1) Jan
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (5) C0balt, Montmorency, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple

those wagons were at 8:20 tho, so 40 min till eod. rask and sheep counterwagons were main ones with any traction after that point

Preface that these reactiosn are based solely on VCs

think Gemma's vote movement looks. In retro it's a bit weird that insomnia is joining a wagon with Gemma but eh, probably fine. Knights votes look very inno to me. Major sideeye to the EOD Rask voters after grr but I've already talked about that a bit

[nebjiamn]

btw lowkey, its extremely annoying you guys dont know how to spell enderwiggin and the e at the end is bugging my primate brain can you fix that

iove seen it like 5 times itg and maybe even fdid it myself at some point but it looks SO WRONG (and IS wrong!!!)

it doesnt actually matter but i sound out "ender wi GEN" like the word "again" instead of "enderwiggin" like the word "wiggin" and it is WEIRD

[Dolby]

can you talk to me about why, i dont reallyt think i have a good reason but if you have meta considerations then id like to factor that in onmy reread

tbh I saw his first sequence of posts and just thought it was wolfy in the 200-215 area. He criticized me for calling it mostly stemming from a read on Knights/dya, but I got the sense that he was pushing it out without strong conviction

[insomnia]

why do you wolfread ender, benneh?

[insomnia]

i guess i can try reading maple's iso when i wake up, stett

i legit have 0 thoughts on my PoE, in that i dont remember their posts. it's a wrong way to go about things but us killing syn d1 kinda got me complacent lol

[grr]

yeah idk this was gonna be im going to be nice to ladd game but it did feel like he was sussing Jan based on a "theory" (theory jan trying to kill of town.raskol for his wrong read on syn) not so much on, like an actual read on Jan. grmpf.

(i need to check if this actually happened or if ladd did say more about it too, just gth from memory. i shouldnt make posts like this but )

Ok here:

Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo

I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once


My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf


Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol

so to be clear I kinda thought the same thing might have happened but also it's an approach I'd ALSO take in villa.Jans shoes. I just feel like Jan overstated that Raskol was leveraging his godread when I dont think that... ever happened?

@Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal )

this was rasks last take on syn.

because I don't think rask is wrong on syn.

it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.
in either world voting rask is better.

if it is v/v either vote is bad.

So I read that post by Rask and he is clearly adding a caveat and entertaining syn.wolfflips which I wouldn't read as "ok im treating it as a godread and just push Rask", why did you interpret it as such @Jan

If I did too I would do the same thing probably but have we read different posts or something?

[grr]

Jan and ladd have decent odds of being a difference check and I would gth lean ladd being the wolf there because Jan's posts seem a lot harder to make? eh.

[nebjiamn]

why do you wolfread ender, benneh?

its vibes mostly but originated just from stuff that didnt seem sincere to me

my impression of his v games here on the org is he makes more waves and i feel like he's done more drive bys and flurries that read surface level v than real insight. the game with hally as wolf most recently he was limited there in availability like this game, and i misread him but the vibes were still diff imo