Tarot Mafia

[ladd]

Yo

Starting vacation from today so ill be extremely spotty

Idk what do with monti tunnel, its so incredibky silly and he in general he is out of the loop that i kinda think he is not a wolf but then we are probably doomed

I dont really tgink we are winning

Agree artic was villa kp, he softed last post. He didnt shoot bop nor didi tho so i kindaaaa think he may have killed himself? Like maybe he is desperado or some shit, should prob see if he softed anything

[theknightsofneeee]

btw this is pretty tinfoil world for me


but bop died after calling out dya for possibly being a wolf fake claim, and now arctic would be village kp as well as dya

not saying i'm worried about dya yet but its something to marinate on..

[theknightsofneeee]

reading this again i am perfectly happy to just fuck the claims and kill maple but i think it's pretty unlikely rask's role is real so i don't mind if we stick the course

after posting this seems unlikely that arctic would shoot anyone other than maple IMO

[nebjiamn]

reading this again i am perfectly happy to just fuck the claims and kill maple but i think it's pretty unlikely rask's role is real so i don't mind if we stick the course

I can’t find his tier list but ya I think he jus shoots maple

[nebjiamn]

btw this is pretty tinfoil world for me


but bop died after calling out dya for possibly being a wolf fake claim, and now arctic would be village kp as well as dya

not saying i'm worried about dya yet but its something to marinate on..

Dyas claim is too specific with conditions and how they cc’d rask, idt they can / would fake that despite what bop said. Requires too many things to coincidentally land dyas way on top of taking a silly 1 for 1 (From their original pov if w) out of relatively nowhere

[nebjiamn]

Dyas claim is too specific with conditions and how they cc’d rask, idt they can / would fake that despite what bop said. Requires too many things to coincidentally land dyas way on top of taking a silly 1 for 1 (From their original pov if w) out of relatively nowhere

Arctics soft and how he approached the dya/rask battle also implies he’s the even/n2 version of dyas role. Can’t pull posts but he implicitly believed dya more and it’s prob cause their condition lined up /mirrored if I had to guess

[ladd]

Btw benneh, my main push d2 was maple. I was voting them all day until they claimed confirmable role, i thinknits really easy to disalign them and me (even from d1 posts)


For the rest i dont agree with clearing wisdom from rask flip cause i dont think visor would put a firefighter just to ckunter a poor neutral. Like u are really putting a neutral arso itg which is super hard to play and also giving thr village a counter? Iyam no


I think rask was prolly like an sk who was telling the truth abiut their shots but got unlucky

[ladd]

Ya dya v

Dont tinfoil it, theyll die within 2 nights anyway

[Dolby]

I'm mainly making this specific post bc I was annoyed that Maple called me out for having them in my "Rask/Wisdom/Maple/Ladd" wolf team yesterday (when I said Arctic had a 4/4) and I conceded that Maple didn't look w/w with Rask (pretty much my only hangup with that team), and then they said that I was capping pairing them with Ladd. And I think when looking deeper into that team, rather than just relying off of my individual scumreads that Ladd and Maple actually look pretty teammed.

For those not aware Manti is another name for Maple

Sidenote that out of Ender/Wisdom/Maple/Ladd I actually sus Ender the least right now. I would have said Ladd yesterday, and am still kinda tempted to say Ladd now. Dude is vascillating between my sussest towny, or my towniest wolf

I haven't written a lot about Ladd and I don't really intend to, we're entering the work week and his individual posts are just to long, but I think that how he interacts with Maple D2 is exactly how one interacts with a teammate that's getting a good deal of heat but you think is salvagable if their posting improves and you don't really want to bus

I honeslty wouldnt expect knights to play like this as either alignment

bit confusing



i skimmed manti iso real quick and i think i forgot how to read manti since its been so long lol I do agree with artic that they got some weirdly super confident villa reads?

idk i dont even find that infamous 6 words post particularly villagery buy ymmv




really vibing with what artic is saying in this spurt of posting

light sus of Manti while he is (I believe) voting Gemma who has Manti as their standalone lowest read, their read of manti is literally "die".

maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf

feels like a read that you make on a teammate that looks like they'll survive the day but isn't going to last long term. Really looks like something you want to use to argue points later if that teammate does flip red in a role flipless game. Same post ladd wants to remove two people from his townreads SPECIFICALLY if Maple flips red. This is the only such caveat that he gives in his readslist, no one else is really dependent on anyone else for his reads. Given this, I think that he'd give more consideration to solving Manti, but on Day One Manti is barely mentioned in his ISO at all, just as someone who he is nominally sus of and in his bottom tier of five, but doesn't get any attention.

Maple is a pivot read and a read that two other slots are dependent on, AND a scumread, more effort should be expended on Maple, but it just isn't

anyone that i dont villa read


if i am alive on d2 i will dive into the strange case of the manti villareads cause i swear every iso i open has manti as top villa and my confusion just keeps increasing lmao

ok so, solve Manti bc you haven't mentioned Manti much despite wanting a Benneh iso

Ladd isn't trying to solve Maple, Ladd is trying to solve around Maple, pretty much all his content about Maple (not counting 6 words post) is him asking Maple to do stuff (the Benneh ISO) or Maple in the reads of other people. I don't feel like this is a genuine scumread he had at this point, I don't feel like he's evaluating Maple's posts. Admitidly I got to Maple via Maple seeming way out of place in Syn's reads list (when I get to the day two section of this post, which Ladd also does), but I took a look at Maple's posts and thought they didn't look towny

vote:maple

I will probably afk and just read for a while

so day two ladd's first vote is on Maple. He will have one post that I like from him later, but he doesn't really talk about Maple before, or for a while after, or try to do anything with his Maple vote. It just exists

for reference this was all i said about syn close eod, i really dont think saying i was giving them the benefit of the doubt is a fair interpretation of the events



and this is the post i was talking about when i said every iso I opened had manti on top (syn iso oncluded)


@insomnia




i have already explained it, dont think i can really expand on it any more. would you villa read me if i did what jan did at eod? i bet you would be calling for my head lmao

he has this post also talking about Maple in Syn's readslist, which is a good point, but he isn't really using it to push anywhere, or move Maple forward

I actually like this post tbh, just meshs well with me

V
Ladd
Insomnia
Bop
Artic
Grr
Dya
Gemma
Stett

The rest tier 1
Jan -not wolf with rask
Rask -not wolf with jan
Wisdom -claimed fightfighter...will hopefully clear up a bit later itg
Ender - not with dolby
Dolby-not with ender
Vanta-posts look good but just v low volume
Knights-looks good from eod but i just cant bring myself to have him higher onky based in posting, sorry


The rest tier 2
Benneh
Sunbae
Maple
Monty


I am kinda between 2 worlds right now:

1) i am off on more than 1 of my ender/wisdom/jan/rask v reads, sunbae/benneh are villas, maybe maple is too, maybe not. We are probably ok

2) sunbae/maple are w/w, benneh may be a wolf (or not, i honestly dont have a great read on his posts so far), knights i really doubt is a wolf with sunbae so would be a villa here, jan/rask woild be v as well so options are like super limited


I just think maple is the least villagey person, i didnt really like their iso nor pushes and the reversed stuff seems straight out of manti wolf playbook.havent played with manti in like years tho




With that being said, i will never votr anyone in my v tier but am open to voting anyone below at eod depending on how the rest of the day evolves

Gonna save the rest of my posts for eod cause i dont wanna be limited

Should be 40

I think this is a good encapsulation on why I think they have partner equity. Maple isn't really mentioned big posts like this or when it's useful to Ladd when making a point about something else. Ladd says that he thinks Maple is the least villagey, but he isn't really doing anything to move a Maple vote forward. Heck he even makes a point to that Maple could be villa. He's sussing and voting Maple without trying to move Maple forward or having that sus impact the game. He isn't trying to get other people to vote Maple, he just leaves the vote there, and mentions it every so often, mostly when he's talking about his reads overall


So ladd, you ready to kill Maple today? You said you would be here

manti somehow randing the only weird role of the game seems incredibly suspicious to me but they hardclaimed self resolvable and it's d2 of a 22 player game so idk if there is any point in lunching them today


if they dont actually confirm themselves tomorrow kill them tho

[ladd]

Sure, if yall dont kill me first



@ender i think u should claim full role too atp

[Dolby]

I can’t find his tier list but ya I think he jus shoots maple

that makes me want to kill maple even more

might be brainrotting rn but what if Maple's PGO was real/gave immunity, and that's what killed Arctic

also gonna say, firmly believe that Rask did shoot Sheep

Bop and Stett were both probably mafia KP (assuming maf have a even night vig or something like that) if that's the case

[Gemma]

I get that people hate making pure setup/mechanical reads WRT clearing people.

but I think the logic of 'why would wolf!wisdom claim firefighter if he would reasonably expect to get counterclaimed? and there is no way he could reasonably know there was an actual neutral in the game prior to raskol flip' logic is pretty sound and IMO clearing for wisdom.

I'll see if I can supplement it with a reads based reason to villa read wisdom as well but they seem like the obvious mislynch that people are pushing unnecessarily atm.

honestly man idk how many times i've said it i'm getting boring of saying it

stop using the word lynch pls

[Sunbae]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Starting at 2.5 hours til eod we have:

Knights 4
Gemma 4
Ender 2
and a ton of 1s


Ladd calls out "spooky" Gemma votes (at the time its Ladd, Sheep, Wisdom, Insom) in 1019. Ladd had been pushing Sheep and it's right after Insom votes Gemma and defends Knights. Also calls Bop a villager (bop currently voting Wisdom). Then asks Knights why they suspect Gemma in 1023.

Knights doesn't like Gemma's read list, calls it consensus, but notes Jan has been wolfier (1031)

Ladd calls out Maple villa reads and is confused by them in 1033.

Insomnia presses a Ladd wolf reasoning again in 1036. Then drops a v list of Stett, Grr, Arctic, Maple, Rask, Colonel. The 4 flips of these are villas from a wolf POV.

Ladd responds to insom in 1042 saying Insom's vote against Gemma is spooky because Insom keeps propping up this LaddBadd narrative but now is voting Gemma who Ladd has been pushing and is never paired with. Ends with an entirely sidebar note to newcomb that syn is better than their wolf game but worse than their villa game and is inconclusive. Syn currently with no votes.

Gemma in 1044 says voting for Knights cause they don't want to vote Ender and no better options. Then floats the idea of Ladd wolf but gives Stett the credit for it.


1047 is when didi votes Syn and it's followed up with Colonel doing so too and then Newcomb. All in quick succession. Syn is now a candidate.

Knights asks why Gemma doesn't vote for maple in 1054 since they think Maple is a wolf. "Feels like you voted me because I had a wagon". Gemma replies because folk v read them and isn't gonna campaign for it. Knights goes on to call Vanta a decent shot to be a villager. Feels good about Cobalt.

Mont calls ladd a wolf. Calls Syns wagon trustworthy. Calls knights not a good candidate. Gemma is the strongest negative opinion but is whatever about their voters.

Ladd questions knights about having me as more underwhelming than Benneh. Knights replies it's because Benneh got hung up on the thing with Wisdom. Then Ladd questions Knights on their cobalt read and pushes back against it, specifically about Knights saying they agree with Cobalts reads yet Cobalts reads dont line up with Knights' reads.

Dya votes Syn (ties it up) and ladd quotes it and calls it Villagery.

Ender says Syn counterwagon gives eepies then calls sheep town when Ladd/Dya talk about not liking Sheep. Says "Rask has been catching Syn for months on d1 and has them as a townreed". Then calls out Knights as knights xposts (lol). Then agrees with Ladd about questioning Knights. Then calls a rask vote wild.

Jan also mentions that Syn is in this middle ground between their wolf and villager games. Asks if syn/rask/wisdom can be the team (two non villagers so far jan! good job if town!). Then also says having Ben over me is silly (just pointing it out there cause its true hehe)

Ladd calls bop/arctic villas then makes a town list of ladd/newcomb/stett/arctic/bop/grrr/jan/dya.

Jan votes Rask when Bop does.

Knights disagrees with sheep wolf read and shades me (as does Ender). Note at no point am I a viable wagon or anything here so it's just reads rather than pushes. Then reiterates his Jan wolf thoughts.

Insomnia shades Knights for caring more than Gemma.Ladd is confused by this.Dya defends knights and will not be voting there.

Now its Gemma 4, Knights 3, Rask 3, Syn 2, Ender 2, Jan 1.

Knights gonna look at Raskol/Syn and see if he likes either over Gemma. Insom says he doesn't remember a single post of Syn. Doesnt feel confident.

Ladd shades sheep more. Mont votes Rask.

Grr is "ok" with rask votesd as in "could be a randomly a wolf". Knights is a v read for grrr. Gemma at good vibes. Doesnt know about Syn. Jan and Sheep would like to vote but feels fucked up to vote there without isoing there.

Gemma votes Syn.

Dya votes Sheep.

Ladd votes Sheep.

Knights says rask is moderately villagery and syn is null/lean wolf.

Insom would vote syn over rask but hasnt read syn

Ladd wouldnt kill rask, is more cool with syn dying. Mentions rask backtracked on their syn read later so its not even outing for rask.

Knights likes Rask posts. Votes are now rask 4/knights 3/gemma 3/sheep3/syn2


Insom votes syn

Mont unvotes rask

Jan pulls up that Rasks last post re: syn was still saying he thought town but "would be very sadge is syn is wolfing with sheep but lol".

Maple doesnt think its knights

Knights votes syn, might still vote gemma but likes that gemma moved

Ladd calls rask villagery and asks jan why hes voting rask

maple votes rask

jan says hes voting rask cause rask isnt wrong on syn he thinks, so makes more sense to vote rask

grr endorses the sheep wagon

grr: ok im on a vanity wagon your guys are probs wrong but better than me being wrong

ladd replies to jan asking why does it have to be between rask and syn

jan votes hemma

maple votes syn

day end at

Syn 7 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter, Arctic, Maple)
Raskolnikov 2 (grr, ColonelLubriderm)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 3 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Jan)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

Raw shit for me to parse all in one place, ignore it

[Dolby]

@Montmorency why did you vote and unvote Rask at EOD1? Why didn't you end on Syn? relying on rask's read?

[Sunbae]

A few immediate thoughts:

- In the event Ladd is a wolf their approach with Syn at eod1 is to poke holes in Syn defenses. Notably when people are using things like Rask's god read of Syn as a reason not to vote Syn and replying that Rask has backed off some (to Jan) but also to be hedging on Syn himself by saying more villagery than the wolf game but not as villagery as the villa game. Which my initial feeling is that w!ladd would either take a stance on wolf syn to either defend or get credit OR just let others defend Syn via Rask but he does neither. He even then comes out and says even if Syn is a wolf it's not outing for Rask so like, he's also not tying together Rask/Syn in the "in Syn dies wolf then Rask is wolfy" way either? The town list of ladd/newcomb/stett/arctic/bop/grrr/jan/dya that he dropped is looking pretty fire atm if I listen to people about Grrr and believe the Jan/Dya claims (and I'll get to Dya shortly but I think that's a lock V). I really like the inquiry to Jan about why it has to be Rask or Syn while Jan is voting Rask and being adamant that Rask over Syn is the way to go in this situation.

I have a few follow ups for Ladd that hopefully can help me. At one point you shade Knights for voting Gemma while you and Gemma can't be paired (you're voting Gemma at the time) but at no point from 2.5 hours til eod to actual eod do you say a single word about Gemma. Gemma is a wagon almost the the entire time. The only thing you say is "spooky" about Insom's (and I suppose Knights suspicion but not vote?) Gemma vote. What was your thoughts on Gemma as eod proceeded? I ask because Gemma was posting all eod and it was about, well, not much surrounding what was happening. I do know Gemma voted Syn and that's a great look but the Arctic post about Knights/Gemma situation consolidating on Syn feeling weird is something that feels weird to me too. And Gemma basically just voted Knights and Syn because they were other wagons as far as I can tell (at least specifically mentioned that about Knights). As I'm trying to put worlds together I'd like to know why you feel you/gemma can't be paired at that point as well if you don't mind.

- I would be absolutely floored if Knights is a wolf. That end of day was pretty fantastic. Was churning out reads on their own interest (went and checked Vanta, went and checked Cobalt). He also just has his own worldview that he sticks to when disagreed with despite being under pressure. Not appeasing, more confident in a "i think what i think" way. Looks at top wagons near the very end (rask/syn), says hes gonna read them and comes back with a Rask defense and a Syn wolf read. Then votes Syn. Wolf Knights has every opportunity to land on a non-wolf in this spot. Sheep is being pushed. Rask is being pushed. He defends both of those wagons and votes Syn. And he does it with villagery posting along the way.

- I gave a lot of credit for Insomnia's vote on Syn "without reading their posts" but one thing I'm concerned about now is that Insomnia mentioned multiple times that he had no read on Syn as people discussed - couldn't remember any posts, didn't read them, etc - and at no point just ... went and read them? And in hindsight I kind of hate the shade of Knights (who i think is a very likely villager) for caring more than Gemma? Like Gemma was posting this whole time and Insomnia never even mentioned Gemma outside of this. I have slight concerns about a Insom/Gemma/Maple team at the moment but that's whatever/i havent read everything again yet so thats just my eod1 hmmm vibe. But I do want to spend some time just going over my Insomnia read today after giving so many villa points for eod that I dont really hold on reread.

[Sunbae]

I also think Dya is pretty much locked at this point. The fact that wolf dya would think Rask is a villager means that counterclaim would just be insane. Eod1 posting was towny. Voted syn to tie the wagons. Ended on sheep so shooting sheep makes sense. Breadcrumbed. Just, I'm locked there and will lose to them.

[Sunbae]

I would also like people to reread Gemma and give thoughts. I was not a fan of the eod at all.

[Sunbae]

I simply cannot find a reason that wolfMonty unvotes rask day 1, watches Syn get ran up and doesn't care and instead is telling Gemma to remember them, and then ends day 2 calling himself Rask's lover while Rask is about to die. And Monts general posts at eod1 seem fine trying to solve stuff.

[ladd]

Iirc i was shading insomnka for voting gemma with me, not knights

Wrt my gemma read at eod, i was really undecided cause i didnt they were not posting particularly well but they were around a ton and my reasoning for having them as a wolf wasnt as solid as id like my wolfreads to be so i just kinda decided to move off them to wash my hand of kt tho that may sound lame

I wasnt joking when i said i half voted sheep to end off wagon, i dont really like being on top wagon d1 unless its someone i wolfread with a decent amount of confidence or the cw is someone i villa read

I wolfread sheep and figured they wouldnt go over so i just took the easy way out. If wagons were close rask/syn id voted syn to save rask but alas

[Sunbae]

Iirc i was shading insomnka for voting gemma with me, not knights

Wrt my gemma read at eod, i was really undecided cause i didnt they were not posting particularly well but they were around a ton and my reasoning for having them as a wolf wasnt as solid as id like my wolfreads to be so i just kinda decided to move off them to wash my hand of kt tho that may sound lame

I wasnt joking when i said i half voted sheep to end off wagon, i dont really like being on top wagon d1 unless its someone i wolfread with a decent amount of confidence or the cw is someone i villa read

I wolfread sheep and figured they wouldnt go over so i just took the easy way out. If wagons were close rask/syn id voted syn to save rask but alas

Ok, I think it was you asking why Knights suspects Gemma right after the spooky comment that made me link them. But I can see that's two different things. Will agree they were around a ton at eod. What are your current Gemma thoughts two days later?

So here's the deal: I do have a minor gut fear from day one on you. It was when you were talking about Maple and the words being a meme and having no idea why people were villa reading there. I read that post and my gut ping said "that's Ladd laughing about how easy his partner is getting villa reads for nothing" and then I brushed it off. I still need to reread day two so I'm not locked in but despite that I am currently thinking you have a good chance to be a villager based on eod1. Most notably with how many options other than Syn there were and the fact that you did not either ensure one went over nor get credit for Syn yourself. I do know you're willing to bus and use that credit to get some kills and this was certainty the type of game where nobody would question why you were alive for a while. I also know you are more than willing to power wolf and there were definitely opportunities there. The thing Rask told me repeats in my head: if you were a wolf they'd have been dead.

But I need you to understand that this is a really hard read to make in this situation and I need to be absolutely sure by end of today. Can you tear through this thing with me and help me be absolutely sure? We have so much info we can solve this shit but I need help (im washed! ill be trying today but ugh). Cause I have a feeling getting you right is the key to this game with pressure you've been under and the way the games played out.

[nebjiamn]

@Sunbae reread gemma's eod and idrk what you don't like about it, be more specific? i came away with a better feeling after rereading a bit

these couple posts read like villagey frustration/pushback rather than a wolf but ymmv?

ladd's read on me is almost entirely nitpicking and trying to make boring reads sound outing

sheep and wisdom barely wolfread me if at all and haven't posted in half a day or smth and are only voting bc ladd

insom is prob also only voting bc ladd

glgl

ok well your case on me is mega dooky and i'll be annoyed if the masses conglomerate on me because of it

Players Votes

Theknightsofneeee 4 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter)
Gemma 4 (Ladd, sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
Syn 2 (Newcomb, dyachei)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)



beleive this is corrext

Vote: Syn

Players Votes

Raskolnikov 4 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Didistetter)
Gemma 3 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Syn 2 (Newcomb, Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i also think her unvote off of knights who she's been wolfreading all day to counterbalance and join a burgeoning wagon on syn is a straight up good look, especially if we ride with the idea knights is town. i'm struggling to see that as a wolf tactic to try and spew/anti spew syn one way or another since gemma joined as 3rd and made the wagon real (if it wasn't already?)

[Sunbae]

My current town core is Dya/Knights/Grr (i trusted people on stett and arctic, ill trust em on Grr too)

[nebjiamn]

hmmm

i suppose there's a world where the vote onto syn serves a purpose if it builds up a rask/knights/sheep/gemma quadchotomy wagonfest heading into eod, as that would be 3 villas (from wolf pov) to counter sus on gemma, with a general sentiment assuming thread will lean into more established eod wagons rather than a syn cfd?

idk

[nebjiamn]

i slep now, gn, lookin forward to tomorrow



(as an aside, sad to report, no cat was adopted this weekend. there's a little abraham delacey out there somewhere but we haven't found him yet, not quite time for us it seems.)

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae reread gemma's eod and idrk what you don't like about it, be more specific? i came away with a better feeling after rereading a bit

these couple posts read like villagey frustration/pushback rather than a wolf but ymmv?











i also think her unvote off of knights who she's been wolfreading all day to counterbalance and join a burgeoning wagon on syn is a straight up good look, especially if we ride with the idea knights is town. i'm struggling to see that as a wolf tactic to try and spew/anti spew syn one way or another since gemma joined as 3rd and made the wagon real (if it wasn't already?)

Can you start at like #1023ish like I just did and scroll through til eod cause I feel like my issues are more in line with what was happening around her rather than her specific iso. As an example, I think the unvoting knights thing looked like a situation where she was wanting to stay until Knights basically just kept at it and eventually asked if she actually thought Knights was wolfier than Rask and Syn, to which she replied nah and then moved. But also hadn't mentioned Syn at all during that eod before then. And hadn't really been mentioning anyone else other than the people voting her only doing so because of Ladd and only gave reads on anyone by answering direct questions. Idk, I went through that eod from the top and it just felt out of flow in a concerning way.

Please note: I could not consider myself a strong Gemma reader so by all means if you or someone else is, let's iron that out cause I'd much prefer my initial read of villagery to be right.

[Sunbae]

i slep now, gn, lookin forward to tomorrow



(as an aside, sad to report, no cat was adopted this weekend. there's a little abraham delacey out there somewhere but we haven't found him yet, not quite time for us it seems.)

aw :(

thats ok, soon Abraham Delacey will come home

[Dolby]

Quick post, probably last post

The Syn wagon established itself really quick

I’ll preface this by saying ladd could conceivably been caught off guard and not have time to react since this was a two minute window, but Malples Rask vote made the wagons definitively Syn vs Rask. Ladd should have voted Rask to save Syn there, sheep wasn’t going to be it at that point

Benneh who’s bussing (not Maple) Syn in that world to save Gemma? Insomnia? I’m just not seeing that and I’ve liked insomnias posts anyway

[Wisdom]

Btw benneh, my main push d2 was maple. I was voting them all day until they claimed confirmable role, i thinknits really easy to disalign them and me (even from d1 posts)


For the rest i dont agree with clearing wisdom from rask flip cause i dont think visor would put a firefighter just to ckunter a poor neutral. Like u are really putting a neutral arso itg which is super hard to play and also giving thr village a counter? Iyam no


I think rask was prolly like an sk who was telling the truth abiut their shots but got unlucky

I initially thought two of Stett/Bop/Arson were w!Arson kills (would imply they could ignite and douse the same night) but I'm probably just here to screw things up due to flipless.

I'm useless now so might as well claim the rest. I targeted Stett n1 and Bop n2 so if those two got arsoned despite that some major fuckery is going on. Rask being SK and no arsonist existing makes sense.

[Sunbae]

I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.

Claims in order of townyness from my PoV

Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?



vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko

vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia


vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr

v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights

/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh

w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom

WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day

I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its

I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.

I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise

I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though


If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae

I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.

my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now

Vote: Wisdom

I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.


I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.


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I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.

I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.

Vote: Wisdom

this is for my sake later when reading more

[Wisdom]

My current town core is Dya/Knights/Grr (i trusted people on stett and arctic, ill trust em on Grr too)

Dya is 100% town. I kinda wanna stick to my Jan v read as well but I've pretty much reset overnight.

Why is Knights and Grr top town?