Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

well i was hoping to get the exact team squared away, then switching to winning the 1v1. But uh

i don't have time for that

so im switching gears

Did you feel at any point today that ender / vanta was the most likely team?

Or what were your thoughts? Just your feelings coming into today

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)

[Maple]

Did you feel at any point today that ender / vanta was the most likely team?

Or what were your thoughts? Just your feelings coming into today

so my feelings coming into today were as follows

the thing about mont i posted closer to SoD

i felt it unlikely for grr to be a wolf overall, based on the card claim seeming both real but also totally unnecessary if w

i felt that a vanta/ender team on the day that knights went over is a lil weird given that's a big bus on a day that goes to rand - w/ the asterisk of all of the shit ive talked about wrt that eod over the past few days, ive gone into my thoughts about that in a lot of detail, i think.

i felt that if you are a wolf your last teammate being vanta would imply a need for something a little more longterm.

okay pause, while typing this out i just had a thought

wouldn't it be funny if the card i gave vanta the other day was used to strongman a kill onto mont last night? cause accelerator should make you kill before protects can be activated, so even if mont self-targeted, the kill would still go off. i really should have thought about that yesterday, huh

[Maple]

im gonna need to level with yall

if i go over today, im gonna get ripped to shreds in dvc cause my play this game has been utterly dog

especially if it ends the game in a world of 2

[insomnia]

I guess i can't understand how rn you can't see a vanta / ender team

They're obviously going for the mislunch on you today, no?

I really need you to sell a world manti, if you want to live. You're hedging a ton but it's really not helping

I feel like i'd burst in laughter rn with vanta being awol the entire day and coming at eod to make sure to stay alive and she also said she'd vote you

[insomnia]

im gonna need to level with yall

if i go over today, im gonna get ripped to shreds in dvc cause my play this game has been utterly dog

especially if it ends the game in a world of 2

I agree with this, for reasons posted below

[insomnia]

To be clear im not trying to influence you into anything cuz that team could be wrong

But im trying to place myself in your shoes and i can't understand how you don't have a team to push or at least a singular person that you are more likely to vote for actual posting reasons

[Maple]

I guess i can't understand how rn you can't see a vanta / ender team

They're obviously going for the mislunch on you today, no?

I really need you to sell a world manti, if you want to live. You're hedging a ton but it's really not helping

I feel like i'd burst in laughter rn with vanta being awol the entire day and coming at eod to make sure to stay alive and she also said she'd vote you

i feel like you're misunderstanding something about the things im saying here

i can obviously see a vanta ender team, i even outlined what i think their line was

d5 bus wisdom (knights died in the 50/50 which works great for their purposes, but lets just go based on what the plan was)

d6, the people who didnt go for wisdom look bad, me and sunbae are out of position and votable. They need 2 mls, and that's 2 right there. Additionally, knights is still on the block because despite everything i think its pretty reasonable to try to go for a knights in a f6. So lets say I go over d6.

come into d7 with 6 alive, the ability to vote sunbae>knights>you in descending order w/ one of grr/mont killed in the night, depending on which player is more likely to give accurate reads.

Either ender was looking for something specific in the card he gives vanta, or the card listed was a lie. In the lie case, use that as a difference check against me or perhaps whoever i give a card to the next day or try to vote me out before I can verify it, all of which seem pretty reasonable especially in the world where wisdom goes over first.

[insomnia]

im not misunderstanding anything

your entire PoE is pushing for you to die and there's no righteousness in your play here or someone to push. idk if i had vanta / ender in my poe and vanta came at eod to reply to me like that i'd burst into laughter and just instinctively push her just to live

at least knights went down swinging, you're just begging for your life

idk what level you're on cuz this is odd regardless

[insomnia]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

[insomnia]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

ofc if's viable

I mean if it's likely

My impression is that it would fit too easily

[Maple]

Well prior to uh

30m ago i was ignoring my wagon in favour of getting a correct solve so I could identify the villagers who I need to convince and the wolves I need to kill.

World of 2 means we all need to vote together today, after all.

But I don't have the luxury of time here

And hey there's a nonzero chance that the ate "oohhh it'll suck so bad if we lose here" might work lol

My spot is bad and I'm struggling to find good places to push to not die here, so im really emphasizing how pathetic my position is and contrasting that against how much better my position could be made to be if w

[grr]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

[insomnia]

Vanta popped in for eod just to say that

Unbelievable

This is what I mean, she has like 0 awareness for how she looks lmfaooooooo

[Maple]

Like yes we should kill vanta here because from the pov of every player alive they are likely a wolf, be it as my partner, a solo, one of yall, etc. Villagers swapping before eod would likely force the other wolf assuming it exists to bus, and we'd be onto a f3.

But of the two of us, vanta and I, from yall's pov if one of us are a villager and need to not get got in the f3, it should be me cause I'm far less likely to just straight up die there.

And if yall are going to kill one of us then the other 95% of the time, with the usual f3 reevaluation, then it still makes more sense to kill me second.

[Maple]

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

I had vanta as v prior to reevaluation.

But also, that's a good point. If we're w/w it's INSANE for us to openly claim that shit.

[Vanta Black]

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

[Maple]

You two have both wolfed with me.

Grr, you remember me coaching you through your fake claim? You remember how hands-on I am when it comes to partner interaction, and cheerleading the team, and generally just constantly talking in wolf chat

Does a me/vanta world feel like that?

[Maple]

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

I was hoping for specifically a cop check, to be fair. A check or a difference would have been *lovely*

[grr]

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.

[EnderWiggin]

Insom/Vanta annoys me.

Because there's nothing like... pairing. But also nothing unpairing. Insom mostly soft-clears her a bunch later on.

Eh. I could argue that's pairing actually. But that feels like a stretch that I'd have to assume something to get a clear link out of.

[insomnia]

Vote: Maple

sorry if wrong bronana

[grr]

I had vanta as v prior to reevaluation.

But also, that's a good point. If we're w/w it's INSANE for us to openly claim that shit.

ok fair point tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

Like yes we should kill vanta here because from the pov of every player alive they are likely a wolf, be it as my partner, a solo, one of yall, etc. Villagers swapping before eod would likely force the other wolf assuming it exists to bus, and we'd be onto a f3.

But of the two of us, vanta and I, from yall's pov if one of us are a villager and need to not get got in the f3, it should be me cause I'm far less likely to just straight up die there.

And if yall are going to kill one of us then the other 95% of the time, with the usual f3 reevaluation, then it still makes more sense to kill me second.

See my biggest problem here is that you claimed you were trying to solve the game but like...

Everything in thread rn has been more about you trying to stay alive than solve.

Even when you were "solving" you were saying some vague things about like "Idk if Ender/Insom works" and then no discussion or clear idea of why or what you were thinking about.

You just put statements about it in thread.

[EnderWiggin]

If Maple is V and I've confbiased myself, well it sucks.

But idk every time I go doubting myself I see a set of Maple posts and re-convince myself it's right.

[Maple]

I get I'm sort of arguing against one of the things I was saying is a reason to spare me but let the record show that the claims so far this game dont have my fingers on them, when you get down to it.

Why did wisdom claim 2shot? I've been saying it since the day of the claim, that doesn't *reaaaally* make sense vs a full arso and undermines the claim.

Plus the stuff yesterday.

And besides, if I'm wolf after Ben dies I'm tightening that ship, we're in deep shit and Jan just died protecting me. Why would I play so passively? Even when I have the opportunity to be in thread, my gameplay has been passive and focused almost entirely on solving. I'm not even really pushing outside of key moments. I'm not burying people. Like if I'm a wolf, my only reasonable wincon is the village eating itself, but i don't have the longevity for that.

[insomnia]

If Maple is V and I've confbiased myself, well it sucks.

But idk every time I go doubting myself I see a set of Maple posts and re-convince myself it's right.

if you're a wolf then i dont think someone has ever snowed me like this before

So gg

I think im sold that you and grr are villagers. In that world it's either vanta / maple or just 1 in those two and the lunch doesn't matter today cuz game would not end

But mostly i think maple is just the solo wolf alive, no matter how wild that sounds

[Maple]

yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.

I didn't think nl would make the ability distribution so obvious. And I think I'm being shown to be correct.

[Maple]

See my biggest problem here is that you claimed you were trying to solve the game but like...

Everything in thread rn has been more about you trying to stay alive than solve.

Even when you were "solving" you were saying some vague things about like "Idk if Ender/Insom works" and then no discussion or clear idea of why or what you were thinking about.

You just put statements about it in thread.

Eod is in 23 minutes and there's a decent chance it ends with us losing

I need us to swap ASAP

I've changed gears, as it were

[EnderWiggin]

if you're a wolf then i dont think someone has ever snowed me like this before

So gg

I think im sold that you and grr are villagers. In that world it's either vanta / maple or just 1 in those two and the lunch doesn't matter today cuz game would not end

But mostly i think maple is just the solo wolf alive, no matter how wild that sounds

I'm ngl.

The main reason I keep having doubts is you being like "Maple lunch makes sense! And there's probably only 4 wolves!"

Which is a great line if you/Vanta just want Maple out.