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[Vaimes]

do you think that's an acceptable standard for being a villager?

not trying to be the fun police, but. i'd like to not ml you if it's within my power to do so, but i'm not gonna like. sit here and imagine you're town for the memes

[EnderWiggin]

do you think that's an acceptable standard for being a villager?

not trying to be the fun police, but. i'd like to not ml you if it's within my power to do so, but i'm not gonna like. sit here and imagine you're town for the memes

Yes. Because you can read me off my reads and how I interact with flips and wagons.

I don't really have a way to make myself town on d1 because even if I tryhard I've done that as wolf too. So really I'd rather have fun and you can work out how to read me at your own pace.

If you think everyone should be readable on d1 then I am not gonna agree with you.

[Vaimes]

Yes. Because you can read me off my reads and how I interact with flips and wagons.

I don't really have a way to make myself town on d1 because even if I tryhard I've done that as wolf too. So really I'd rather have fun and you can work out how to read me at your own pace.

If you think everyone should be readable on d1 then I am not gonna agree with you.

the math ain't mathing, unless you're joking. or just talking about day 1

if out of all the posts you've made so far, zero of them will help me read you, what am i to do? cross my fingers and make it a future problem? why shouldn't everyone be readable day 1? i'm not asking for "locked and never rescinding" levels of towniness from you

[Vaimes]

oh also, my read on syn has shifted more towards something like

nobody knows what the fuck he's saying and he seems to be living in his own world, which suggests he is probably uninformed

this is not a read i will carry into day 2, because i'm not getting any sense of town motivation from him

[Syn]

oh also, my read on syn has shifted more towards something like

nobody knows what the fuck he's saying and he seems to be living in his own world, which suggests he is probably uninformed

this is not a read i will carry into day 2, because i'm not getting any sense of town motivation from him

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

[Vaimes]

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

ok

do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?

i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up

[Syn]

ok

do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?

i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up

their responses are fine. you're specifically using it as a means to both discredit me and to allow you to circle back later to start a wagon if I happen to become inconvenient. schrodinger's read. it's both town and wolf until you've discovered an optimized use for the read (not something a villager does)

[Vaimes]

that's a fair opinion

personally, i'd vig you right now if i could. in front of god and everything

but people i townread are advocating for you, so i'm letting it go, with full intention of changing my mind later based on flips/claims/reactions

really i don't have to lift a finger to discredit your read. it's a bad one, and it's clear to me that any which way i come at you will be interpreted as scummy, sooo. i'll mind my business over here

[waza]

if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here

the economy

it's in shambles

One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work

Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo

[Syn]

One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work

Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo

waza number one advocate for couples therapy

I'm not worried about endgaming

[ladd]

i'll probably pop back in before EoD but I will not be around for eod as it's 2 am

i am pretty comfortable with waza/syn/vaimes/rask/taffy/cape being villagers

it wouldn't occur to me to dislike the maple post, because i actually agreed with her line of thought there

and she had the exact same reaction to cuth's entrance that i did, so

townlean

shrug

alrighty, fair enuf


I am no wolf hally expert, I just think they remind me of myself (and also going from last game they were w on here) and i feel best way to catch them is when they over extend either to push an agenda or to go too hard on something

because thats the best way to catch me when i wolf lmao


and that maple post just really looked like that but again i dont wanna beat a dead horse, i have said my piece

[Cape90]

waza number one advocate for couples therapy

I'm not worried about endgaming

Why not?

[Syn]

Why not?

beyond it being a week away, I just don't think I will make it that far, so a hypothetical stand-off between me and vaimes in fx might as well be fanfiction

[Vaimes]

imo, town would have a higher success rate if they put in the work to readable day 1. it's the most important day in the game, why waste it?

[Raskolnikov]

Vaimes feels like baby me with a cooler avatar. fr (nowadays, I don't get upset about potatoes anymore, I just bake them)

thoughts about Cuth/Maple/Wisdom?

[Vaimes]

eh, i'm not gonna let a differing opinion/playstyle tilt me. i'm just curious about his approach to the game

my homesite was kiiind of anal about optimal play, so :V it was beaten into me from the get-go

i would kill all three of them (in the order of Cuth > Maple > Wisdom) and feel nothing. so far in my reread (starting page 7) they have no redeeming qualities. nothing i like or want to defend. wisdom is the most ~okay out of the three but i like her less on a second pass

[Vaimes]

i can't thank posts apparently? or at least it doesn't show up on my screen, and the button looks unclicked when i refresh

vaimes thanks the rask post

[Raskolnikov]

i can't thank posts apparently? or at least it doesn't show up on my screen, and the button looks unclicked when i refresh

vaimes thanks the rask post

refresh and the button migh appear.

I think Id puth Cuth a bit above the other two but for surface level notes only (they feel laid back or something) but I will reread them and Wisdom. Just did Maple and yeah plain null.

I am curious what pinged them though about waza. @Maple

[Vaimes]

waza is 100% town. i have no hesitations there. i don't see myself touching that read again. i will kiss him in the masonry and immediately get down on one knee

prepare the post-game egg-to-face if i'm wrong

[Vaimes]

even though i'm on page 7, i highly suspect visor hasn't posted since before then and i will come away from this with 0 read on him

i remember asking him a question about a contradiction i saw and i'm betting it's still sitting there collecting dust

[EnderWiggin]

imo, town would have a higher success rate if they put in the work to readable day 1. it's the most important day in the game, why waste it?

If you're a good wolf, and can copy your town game near perfectly in terms of tone, how do you make yourself readable D1? If you can make yourself readable as town on D1, how do you stop yourself getting caught as wolf on D1 in games you're not town?

I am a huge huge proponent of "You can read anyone on D1". I used to spend a lot of D1 poking people and asking questions to follow their thought train.

But here's the thing. Good wolves are not going to be easy to catch with no info. Town can find each other, but in terms of "This is a post that is towny" I don't think posts that are integrally towny exist. People who I know well have absolutely called me town on D1 correctly. But it's less because I made a post that was specifically towny and more because of an interaction or a call or a read back and forth where we caught sight of how the other was reading the game and it made sense for the other person's town perspective.

Any post that inherently can help you find me town or is readable as town on D1 is replicable as wolf to fool people who think a single post or type of post makes them town.

I'd throw the question back to you:
How do town make themselves readable on D1 without doing things they can copy as wolf? What's your formula for doing so?

So let me re-phrase my response:
I am potentially readable on D1. But the moment I can point out a post to you and tell you why you should town read it is the moment I can copy that exact thing as wolf. Therefore I don't want to play into that game of "trust me bro". Because it's dumb.

This is the same route of thinking that I don't like self-defense arguments. I like talking people I sus through things, but I prefer to talk to them about OTHER slots because talking about themselves devolves into "trust me bro".

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I'm getting lost here. Simple maths:
Everyone can be read on D1. But "making themselves more readable" intentionally can always be faked as wolf if the player is good enough, and the moment a player you're talking to can tell you why they should be townread or what posts you should townread them off it's something they can copy as wolf.

"Trust tells" are also something I hate and shouldn't exist because the whole point of the game is to try and forge information out of unsurety and the moment someone has a guarantee of alignment it mars the maths.

(Could I be more active and investigative? Sure. People would like that. I got townread a lot off that.

But I also did it as wolf and it was more effort as either alignment.)

Anyway. This is an old codger rant from someone who has been playing this silly internet game for near 2 decades.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're a good wolf, and can copy your town game near perfectly in terms of tone, how do you make yourself readable D1? If you can make yourself readable as town on D1, how do you stop yourself getting caught as wolf on D1 in games you're not town?

I am a huge huge proponent of "You can read anyone on D1". I used to spend a lot of D1 poking people and asking questions to follow their thought train.

But here's the thing. Good wolves are not going to be easy to catch with no info. Town can find each other, but in terms of "This is a post that is towny" I don't think posts that are integrally towny exist. People who I know well have absolutely called me town on D1 correctly. But it's less because I made a post that was specifically towny and more because of an interaction or a call or a read back and forth where we caught sight of how the other was reading the game and it made sense for the other person's town perspective.

Any post that inherently can help you find me town or is readable as town on D1 is replicable as wolf to fool people who think a single post or type of post makes them town.

I'd throw the question back to you:
How do town make themselves readable on D1 without doing things they can copy as wolf? What's your formula for doing so?

So let me re-phrase my response:
I am potentially readable on D1. But the moment I can point out a post to you and tell you why you should town read it is the moment I can copy that exact thing as wolf. Therefore I don't want to play into that game of "trust me bro". Because it's dumb.

This is the same route of thinking that I don't like self-defense arguments. I like talking people I sus through things, but I prefer to talk to them about OTHER slots because talking about themselves devolves into "trust me bro".

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I'm getting lost here. Simple maths:
Everyone can be read on D1. But "making themselves more readable" intentionally can always be faked as wolf if the player is good enough, and the moment a player you're talking to can tell you why they should be townread or what posts you should townread them off it's something they can copy as wolf.

"Trust tells" are also something I hate and shouldn't exist because the whole point of the game is to try and forge information out of unsurety and the moment someone has a guarantee of alignment it mars the maths.

(Could I be more active and investigative? Sure. People would like that. I got townread a lot off that.

But I also did it as wolf and it was more effort as either alignment.)

Anyway. This is an old codger rant from someone who has been playing this silly internet game for near 2 decades.

I will make sure to make a glorious meme out of this post. Generations of future mafia players have just been blessed.

Thank you.

[EnderWiggin]

I will make sure to make a glorious meme out of this post. Generations of future mafia players have just been blessed.

Thank you.

[EnderWiggin]

It's also 1:30am so I apologise if that is mildly incomprehensible.

[Raskolnikov]

not sure laid back is the good word for Cuth posts. just their few content posts look like self rambling, not posted to convince anyone. Somthing I like actually lol

but the timing is still weird (hally posts a tr on Cuth which prompts a question from Vaimes, which prompts a post from Cape, then Cuth pops in to suss Cape lol)

[Hally]

not sure laid back is the good word for Cuth posts. just their few content posts look like self rambling, not posted to convince anyone. Somthing I like actually lol

but the timing is still weird (hally posts a tr on Cuth which prompts a question from Vaimes, which prompts a post from Cape, then Cuth pops in to suss Cape lol)

i never town read cuth lol

he’s still very much PoE to me

[Vaimes]

i appreciate the late-night effort

i'm on the side of reading people based on how they think, rather than any specific post. because faking posts is easy, but faking thought processes is more difficult and definitely more effort *if you're a wolf* and not for a villager, because it is by definition towny to approach the game from a town mindset. villagers don't have a choice to be organic

good wolves can get fucked over by other villagers just being themselves too organically. if too many people are 100% villagers, then you turn your attention to the 99% and under crowd, even if it's omega feelsbad killing someone who seems that towny

i wouldn't take someone's self-evaluation of their own posts as gospel, or even credible

anyway this is fun theorytalk but i get your point. i just get annoyed when someone's entire iso is shitposting. it makes me feel crazy and like i'm being asked to solve a slot blindfolded and i'm a bad player if i can't do it

i think i'm just too much of a tryhard

[EnderWiggin]

i appreciate the late-night effort

i'm on the side of reading people based on how they think, rather than any specific post. because faking posts is easy, but faking thought processes is more difficult and definitely more effort *if you're a wolf* and not for a villager, because it is by definition towny to approach the game from a town mindset. villagers don't have a choice to be organic

good wolves can get fucked over by other villagers just being themselves too organically. if too many people are 100% villagers, then you turn your attention to the 99% and under crowd, even if it's omega feelsbad killing someone who seems that towny

i wouldn't take someone's self-evaluation of their own posts as gospel, or even credible

anyway this is fun theorytalk but i get your point. i just get annoyed when someone's entire iso is shitposting. it makes me feel crazy and like i'm being asked to solve a slot blindfolded and i'm a bad player if i can't do it

i think i'm just too much of a tryhard

If it helps my ISO isn't just shitposty. Most of the time it's a read/thought dressed up in shit post-y curtains. Because I'm having fun.

And you can always ask me questions. Just don't ask me to point out how I should be towny =P

[Vaimes]

i can do that

if you could kill someone right now whose flip would help you get a better grip on the game, and the day keeps going as normal, who would it be?

[EnderWiggin]

i can do that

if you could kill someone right now whose flip would help you get a better grip on the game, and the day keeps going as normal, who would it be?

Rask.