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[Maple]

maple makes a good point about rask's ability functioning like a rolecop

but it doesn't clarify whether a trueclaim is different from a "genuine" fakeclaim (since rask would never know the difference), or if the ability wouldn't trigger unless it was an honest to god mod-confirmed trueclaim

or if claiming vanilla as a goon would count

by trueclaim i mean "claim your real role regardless of your alignment"

I would assume claiming VT would work for a goon, for example.

[Maple]

yeah but wisdom is euro, she was never gonna be there for EoD and said that

at the time she left for good i’m pretty sure it was still close

maybe, i'd have to double check that and see if it makes me feel anything

[Syn]

@Vaimes

I now can point at posts and say you should townread me off them =P

Secondly, if I'm w/w with Visor I:

1. Don't enter day and immediately start pressuring him within the first 4 posts. (Visor can easily coast through there if no one pressured him and he didn't make the post on me.)

2. Don't question myself EOD without doing any vote swapping. I'm a notorious vote swapper for pressure and I honestly would've just done it as w/w to try and make a tie somehow. Also doubting it eod makes me get less cred which is bad if I literally bussed him for Cred.

This is my only post that I'm gonna put forward reasons y'all should be locktowning me, further posts will be back to regular scheduled shitpostery with godlike solving.

1 isn't compelling

2 would have entailed you dying if you had done so

this is not me scum-reading you

[Maple]

ive been watching my girlfriend play sonic x shadow every day for weeks, and i went and actually bought it for myself due to the conditioning working

the game is pretty fun

the game really makes you feel like sonic (or shadow)

[EnderWiggin]

1 isn't compelling

2 would have entailed you dying if you had done so

this is not me scum-reading you

I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory.

Is this where it gets me?

On my feet, Syn just ten feet ahead of me?

[Syn]

I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory.

Is this where it gets me?

On my feet, Syn just ten feet ahead of me?

big fan of your work man

[Hally]

manti, didn’t you change up your villaging style recently to something more transparently villagery or no?

why do i still have no idea what your alignment is or what you think about anything?

[Hally]

some waza posts to get a sense of his reads (he wasn’t here for EoD though)

main thing that sticks out to me as somewhat anti-consensus is he was very firm on cape being a villager

he also suspected wisdom some but seemed conflicted there

also town read vaimes and to a lesser extent ladd

obviously he could have simply been killed for being an active widely town read villager who voted visor early, but he’s a very good player so it’s still worth paying attention to his reads

ehhh

cape v
vaimes v

sure on those two

taffy was the same tier as the first names but they were also who i was tinfoiling when i spoke to hally but i think that may just be me overthinking

ladd and hally and syn and wisdom lean v

eh now im worried about what things look like if cuth and maple are town

not sure what my world even looks like in that case though...

gth i think theres probs one in visor/rask - can think of reasons to be wary of both

probs one in cuth/maple/hally - this tier is different to the first two names because i can think of reasons to tr all 3, but the reasons for cuth and maple are kinda bad and weak and could easily be wrong but if i find good reasons to tr both then i immediately look at hally next after that, however if either of them are a wolf i probs just roll with hally as v

and then last in someone i miscleared (not cape or vaimes)

ender is somewhere but idk which of these 3 rows he fits into

My cape read is similar to ladds read on you

I’ve just played with him as v quite a lot and he just seems the same. Plus he tried to discredit my read on him somewhat (due to him not remembering some stuff) whereas I don’t think he would have needed to as a wolf since could just continue to hide behind

The taffy tinfoil was momentary cos from the 3 takes they gave they were trying to discredit me and vaimes read on each other and then trying to discredit a tr on wisdom

But then I remember taffy hasn’t randed wolf much (Atleast in the games I’ve been in with them.) so then I thought a wolf who hasn’t randed wolf a tonne probably would maybe try more to placate the PL rather than what they have done so far

And part of why I’m voting wisdom currently is that I agree with ladds observation and a w!wisdom flip would make me feel even better on taffy

Vote:Visor

(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons

Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that

[Cape90]

I have some stuff to finish tonight, but I think my head is somewhere around wanting to kill between Taffy/Ender/Wisdom. I defo want to get more into my Taffy read (i was lazy at night, sorry)

I don't agree with the Maple vote from what i remember of their close to EoD content. But yeah see yall in like 3 or so hours.

TOWN: Vaimes/Hally/ladd/Cuth (desperado thing that ladd talked about)

Less so Syn and Maple but I think both are town here

[Maple]

manti, didn’t you change up your villaging style recently to something more transparently villagery or no?

why do i still have no idea what your alignment is or what you think about anything?

Its more about the cooperation than the transparency. "Transparency" as something i've evoked only reminds me of the shadowhydra game where i claimed to be working on that and just posted stupid bullshit that tilted people. That was really funny.

But no, I'm just generally low engagement this game. I haven't really had anything here take my reigns and pull me into an exciting direction. Yesterday ended up being a boring d1, as usual. I don't have high hopes for today.

I do have *some* stuff to work with at least, im considering whether or not to claim my mechs now or to just leave it for later.

[Cuthillius]

my internet's drunk

but you're very welcome hally

i wouldn't be shocked if there was one more wolf kp esp if town tp based on the roles that have been flipping but who's to say

will be around more this phase though swear on my life

[Syn]

why are we so despondent in the club rn

[Cuthillius]

chat

we may be back

i've been messing with settings for the last like 30 minutes

i think it's working

it would like not connect to wifi unless i disconnected and reconnected and then would last for like ten seconds

or just sporadically stop and start loading stuff

[Hally]

fwiw my reading of rask’s role is that it would work as long as the person makes a non-meme, genuine looking claim

it seems too OP for the person to have to claim their true role because if they did it’s essentially a role peek and i think if it worked like that the role would specify “truthful claim” not just “genuine claim”

so i don’t think the fact that it worked says anything about what ladd’s role really is

[ladd]

fwiw my reading of rask’s role is that it would work as long as the person makes a non-meme, genuine looking claim

it seems too OP for the person to have to claim their true role because if they did it’s essentially a role peek and i think if it worked like that the role would specify “truthful claim” not just “genuine claim”

so i don’t think the fact that it worked says anything about what ladd’s role really is

It needs to be a true role claim but its not alignment indicative

(Like manti was saying vanilla could be both vt and goon, same applies with any role)

At least thats what rask told me anyway

[ladd]

I have never been good at reading cape so i am down to sheep waza v read there for now

i already went theough everyone with rask so I am kinda just waiting for wisdom and taffy to post tbh

[ladd]

4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

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mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.

Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.

Wagons were actually kinda close until 15 mins before eod, esp with visor off wagon still

Tho id argue there wasnt much point in trying to save visor (a vanillizer shot is pretty meh) anyway

Then rask switches to visor and makes it 5-2 and its all over from there



Cape push on taffy at eod and taffy vote on wisdom before eod are 2 most interesting things to me

[ladd]

it was you saying "you're just narrating everything they've done" which reminded me of Cape saying I was creating a narrative that gave me the impression you were setting up for pivoting to me, especially with the diminutive "just" and the hyperbolic "everything"

I kinda villa read this post, especially the bolded

Think wisdom/taffy are unlikely to be w/w for future use. Taffy started shading wisdom from pretty early (even before i was pushing wisdom) and then the vote from taffy on wisdom doesnt read w/w either to me

[ladd]

not really all that ??? imo

I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol

Villagery post

[ladd]

ladd, hypothetically, might you be a bodyguard?

No

Ill bbl, i am back at work so activity will be spotty

[Wisdom]

first off, i want to apologize for my blackout levels of insanity yesterday. i'm just glad something good came out of it

second:

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i still don't understand why wisdom refuses to vote for visor, but then tacks on a "oh btw he can totally be inactive scum" tidbit right at the end unless she's just flat-out his partner and this was just a shitty day 1 for the wolfteam

Didn't wolf read him and I thought ladd was top wagon long enough to possibly pop up again. I don't really "self pres" when there's a few hours left of the day anyway. I'm sorry to say that you're wrong because I'm starting to feel more confident that you're town.

[Wisdom]

Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

POGGERS

RASK YOU GREAT CUTE LITTLE BAGUETTE

[Wisdom]

That's great, I needed that <3

[Wisdom]

I still soulread Syn v

Good poem btw

[Wisdom]

Bad news is I'm still sick
Good news is that I can play and am less of a wreck
Might even move to pc today

[Wisdom]

i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead

ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv

Think this strengthens my Syn v read
Don't think putting ladd together with v!Waza means anything but I also sus Visor's brain going "I'm gonna join thread and namedrop three townies". Maybe it's wifom. Maybe ladd's still wolf, but not a priority solve atm anyway

[Wisdom]

Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him

Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v

Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out

vote: ender

:fuel:

I feel like this is Visor's most spewing post but I can't really get anything out of it. I don't think Visor was feeling that he'd be the yeet yet so he wouldn't have needed to distance? But then again he did nothing with this push.

I dunno I'm just rambling

[Wisdom]

The thing is, one of Ender's defining traits as a player is that he's exceedingly aware of his own play and what ppl read him on and he's really good at emulating his town play as a wolf. The one thing I haven't seen him be able to copy is that, if he's the first player in a game to catch a wolf and he's sure of himself, you can tell bc his posts sound giddy and he never quite gets that when he's bussing (or pushing a town for that matter) but ofc that's not going to be useful in every game. Other than that it's really mostly about how he interacts with flips, who he pushes when etc but that usually only becomes apparent after a few flips.

Atm I'm thinking town mostly bc we've had an overnight shift in wagons where most votes are for Wisdom while Wisdom thinks Rask's the wolf and Ender says he wants to shoot Rask bc it'll help him solve Wisdom (and others, he didn't phrase it this way but that's what I'm taking from it).

I think if he was partnered with either one he'd go about it differently. If they're v/v I could see him give this answer as either alignment but I don't believe they're v/v.

This is a bit of a word salad but I don't think Taffy/Ender are w/w

[Cape90]

Now I'm kinda hoping the Visor flashwagon in honour of Wisdom's birthday that Rask predicted actually happens

but I won't be around for it bc I got up early and I have other things to do before I can go to bed

okay, but the fact Taffy said this and just never swapped off of Wisdom onto Visor, when that was a viable option should already just makes me wanna vote Taffy without reviewing up on anything else.

[Wisdom]

My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.

So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.

And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.

Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.

But they've actually both become wolfier.

Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.

Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)

Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.

Also word salady but I think the thoughts are solid
I'm really not confident Taffy is wolfing here but I'm running out of options