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[Arctic]

hiiiii!!!

yeah when you sum it up that way that's like

an appropriate reaction without any context when i think about it lmao

when i made the first two posts i was in the last hour of a mash eod where i was wolfing

then the game ended after we locked in nas and won and i could actually say how insanely relieved i was that i didn't rand wolf again after posting 900 times in four days while being unable to get anywhere near enough sleep (i'm at sub 20 hours since thursday afternoon not like intentionally i just couldn't sleep good) in that game to endgame as wolf poisoner like a week after a like three week long anon wolfgame where i went to and won at f4 from 13:2:1(sk) at sod2 partially because a wolf got modkilled d1

name a more iconic duo than mafia players and sacrificing their physical/mental/emotional health for the sake of the game

random question but how do u only have 58 posts here when u joined 10 years ago

like thats nearly as long as annika has been alive

anyway i hope u take care of yourself now it's over ^^ these games are chill vibes it's always a good time :D

[annika]

random question but how do u only have 58 posts here when u joined 10 years ago

like thats nearly as long as annika has been alive

lying wolf spotted

[didistetter]

Poe is waza/annika/ender

Dya and Rask in holding zone

Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika

ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town

[Arctic]

Vibe

He seems to believe what he’s saying

I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf

Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business

So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with

Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts

He also had the freeest layup to just wolf read me by riding the momentum of what everyone else has been doing and I don’t think he would pass that up

Or if he would he would probs try and defend or side with me in a way to get cred or maybe get on my good side

He’s done neither which I think is towny and the way he’s approaching me makes sense since his sr was Stett and I’m assuming doesn’t read me as being partnered with her so it makes sense why town!visor wouldn’t have much to say on me

I should probably make this post after my next one, but i don't think either of these are particularly reliable. i think you are getting caught up a bit in how you fit into the narrative here and it's clouding your judgement. you don't really know if visor plays the same way as you do as a wolf, nor do you know he would have a burning desire to prove himself if he randed wolf again. he could be dejected from randing wolf yet again in an org game lol, who knows. i think these are unsafe assumptions. and there wasn't really much momentum against you at all - it was just stett, so ya i don't really see it

in fact i guess i may as well just explain it while i'm here rather than my next post, but visor is my biggest suspect atm. i think he navigated a lot of the early discourse in a wolfy/hands off way. i particularly don't like his posts about stett. i don't think he is really trying to address any issues he has with her play and it instead feels like sewing seeds of doubt by egging on discussions waza and benneh had about potentially suspicious things she did, and he just responded by calling it wolfy or whatever. the actual meat felt, not great too - like "her opener felt like lissa's in the anon game where she was as wolf" - okay, sure, i just find that wolves tend to make random comparisons like this more often when in reality it's pretty detached from the circumstances of this game. just feels meh to me. read on annika is fine but comes across in a way that feels like he's trying to look villagery, not really holding this bit against him, it's mainly the stett treatment that i don't like

as for stett herself, i'm not really sure yet, tonally i think this is her town game even though i don't.. really see eye to eye with her rn but i'm willing to let that cook. i do think waza is the most obvious villager itg and that is her biggest push so. uh. yea. i hope she sees the light. if i'm right about that, anyway

[Arctic]

ladd posts about stett making me feel stupid

[Arctic]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

I'm not sure I can give you advice, but I can say that I relate to a lot of this

I'm more confident about what I have to do as wolf, and lying about things and manipulating people because when I have all the information it's a lot more obvious what plays will maximise my alignment's chance of winning, what MLs to push for, what stances to take, etc. But as town you don't - you don't know what the best thing to push for is. You don't want to be confident when you are wrong, and you don't want to hedge or get talked out of something when you're right. If you can trust yourself to not be a blithering idiot (which I can - I think you're pretty smart when you aren't messing around :p) then the answer is to just be more confident in yourself and the stances you decide to take. It's better to be confident and wrong than to lose because of apathy whether or not you were right or wrong. In the latter case, as you say, I think wolves can easily control the game even if you are right, either to push against your reads (because you lack confidence) or to get you misvoted because of how wishy washy you were playing. At least that's how I see all this.

Now I might be a bit of a hypocrite and often not act on what I'm saying, as I struggle with the same things, but I believe in what I'm saying here. "Just be more confident" isn't super actionable advice, so maybe it's better if you think about why you aren't confident and try to overcome that mental barrier. I've already brought up the idea that if you are unconfident and right it can be just as damaging as being confidently wrong, depending on the gamestate. So if town EV is what you're worried about, then it's often not a relevant concern. If you're worried about how you come across or the personal consequences of being wrong in a mafia game, then that's something you'll have to battle with yourself, but I can say that at least in this game I think everyone here is a reasonable person and you can rest assured that nobody will hold any misreads against you, so maybe you can experiment a bit with more confidence while you can be sure it won't backfire

I went from saying idk if I can give advice to just giving a bunch, while probably being the least qualified person here to do so lmao. but i hope this was helpful in some way <3

[didistetter]

ladd posts about stett making me feel stupid

lmfao 204 and 205?

don't feel dumb over that bbg. Ladd's a smart cookie. He's also not saying anything rlly. "why fake reads" "wat.gif" "super weird" "not believable" "seems wolfy" "wtf worthy" isn't really doing anything besides saying "this feels weird and i don't agree wtf is she talking about."

the main grounded thing he says is not liking the confidence in my waza read and thinking i'm making up reasoning.

I haven't reallllly fully explained my waza reasoning b/c its pretty self-centric and i'm still kinda waiting on how he interacts with others. So that's fair imo.

I don't buy that ladd actually thinks 157 is wolfy, that is not a wolfy post. It's me trying not to be a dick and ignore waza but shutting down him trying to assert that i "ought to have him town" off meta. :P

but also the way waza talked to ladd in 224 isn't w/w

so, ladd can cook :3 but don't feel stupid bb cause he ain't correct atm
(yes i hypothetically could be wrong on waza from y'alls POVs but dwbi)

were you SRing Waza since the beginning of the game?

remind me to answer this D2

[Arctic]

I asked his some questions and his answers were pretty bad lol

(That’s the serious but oversimplified version with a bit of meta as well)

I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in

on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.

[didistetter]

ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it

she KNOWS i hate the word "difference check" so youd think she'd keep it up long enough for me to come dunk on the fake read to merhaps get a look into my alignment first

imma be so fr i got kinda impatient and wanted to post but didn't feel able to do much while i was projecting fake reads for reactions lol

not optimal but sometimes a gal get's yappy.

"stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1" is meaningless. I never want to die d1, I never plan on dying D1. I'm just as prideful and egoy as any other maf player and I have zero interest in being mislimmed. If you're working off a mental model of when i was a venge killer marked by wolf leader in a mash, then.... LOL ?

[Arctic]

mmmm this isn't really an alignment concerned post i just find it interesting how waza has like the polar opposite approach to me in games lol. i don't like being involved in the narrative and i find it messes up my reads a lot, so i rarely read others based on how they're reading me either even if it does give me an inkling one way or another. i guess it's more pertinent when you're a focal point of discussion, and well i guess i rarely am, but it still gives me whiplash to see so many reads based on how someone is handling one's own slot

[annika]

I don't rly think it's Stett tbh

[Arctic]

Poe is waza/annika/ender

Dya and Rask in holding zone

Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika

ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town

are you like, hyping yourself up with this vid or wat

a-are you a l-little wolf...

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Enderwiggin

I feel like I've seen this movie before.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Pzelda is town. You're welcome for this obvious observation.

[didistetter]

vote: Enderwiggin

let's get somethin up past one tbh

ender i'd love ur thots on maple, sunbae, waza, and annika
@Arctic think of it as either me internalizing the verse from athena or me cheerin on the lil woofies for sport. YMMV

[EnderWiggin]

*No mention of Ender*

is that everyone who's posted sofar?

Ouch.

[Lissa]

alright friends I have slept for the better part of eleven and a half hours, taken a nice long hot shower, and eaten some real food that wasn't chips or a larabar eaten in my bed

honestly I have been up for a few hours now and I am already tired again

but I'm ready to play some ww


taffys opener seems decently towny

for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3

visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?

?????

@nebjiamn @Lissa so am i trippin orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

lmao

I don't love what waza is doing ya

Maybe lol

I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be

She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up

Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.

This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well

So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped

Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her

Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol

interesting

yeah as you describe it her handling of you seems... odd? actually

some of the nuances of the interactions between you are definitely like going over my head a little I think

[EnderWiggin]

I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in

on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.

I wolfread Ladd a lot no matter his alignment.

That was a joke about the fact that I'm townreading him this game, not a serious qualifier in any way.

[Arctic]

Poe is waza/annika/ender

Dya and Rask in holding zone

Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika

ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town

why is like

me and sunbae not being with annika something worth pointing out here when you aren't even that sure annika is a wolf - she's just poe - and you have like, 7 people in your poe

i'd get it if you were tunneling her or something but in isolation that feels like a weird distinction to make right now, though i'm.. not sure why it would matter for your alignment either

lmfao 204 and 205?

don't feel dumb over that bbg. Ladd's a smart cookie. He's also not saying anything rlly. "why fake reads" "wat.gif" "super weird" "not believable" "seems wolfy" "wtf worthy" isn't really doing anything besides saying "this feels weird and i don't agree wtf is she talking about."

the main grounded thing he says is not liking the confidence in my waza read and thinking i'm making up reasoning.

I haven't reallllly fully explained my waza reasoning b/c its pretty self-centric and i'm still kinda waiting on how he interacts with others. So that's fair imo.

I don't buy that ladd actually thinks 157 is wolfy, that is not a wolfy post. It's me trying not to be a dick and ignore waza but shutting down him trying to assert that i "ought to have him town" off meta. :P

but also the way waza talked to ladd in 224 isn't w/w

so, ladd can cook :3 but don't feel stupid bb cause he ain't correct atm
(yes i hypothetically could be wrong on waza from y'alls POVs but dwbi)




remind me to answer this D2

idk, i can see some of what he's saying and it ties into why i'm torn on you rn. and i can tell you this because i am not you and thus not biased lol

well do you think he's a wolf then? if you don't buy he believes his post, then what makes you think he is just a wrong villager who we should let cook rather than a wolf pushing you rn? is it just because you don't think he's with waza? again i.. am not sure i like where we're going with these unpairing reads dictating your poe. if you have reason to believe people are wolfy then giving one the benefit of the doubt just because they aren't w/w may end up with some bad results

[EnderWiggin]

Also that read on me from Arctic feels at best premature since I realised the game was going at midnight and had one (1) spate of posting.

I'm going to call that ~not a good look and move on with my life.

[Maple]

snip

ye i think that's a really big difference. the information disparity between alignments means wolfing is taking the game in aggregate and mapping out the optimal line to an endgame where you win. It's straight forward and you have *most* of the info you need, you just gotta adjust to unexpected stuff like PRs and all that jazz

whereas when youre village you sort of have to do that on a *social* level, eliminating players you dont think you can win with in endgame and trying to figure out who the wolves are based on socials and just general *truthfulness*. There's a lot of unknowns so its a LOT less strategic, and a lot more deductive. Which is hard! I do find that on average my reads are *not that bad*, though nothing crazy or anything.

So I personally have a frankly STAGGERING mount of confidence in my ability to think things through strategically, and a proveable trackrecord of being able to win people over socially, which means I'm just always gonna have the sauce as a wolf. So ye yall are probably right that I basically just need to force myself to have a bit more conviction, which is ANNOYING because that's like saying "yeah you just need to eat healthy, get out into nature, and get some exercise" like bithc i KNOW lol

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imma be so fr i got kinda impatient and wanted to post but didn't feel able to do much while i was projecting fake reads for reactions lol

not optimal but sometimes a gal get's yappy.

"stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1" is meaningless. I never want to die d1, I never plan on dying D1. I'm just as prideful and egoy as any other maf player and I have zero interest in being mislimmed. If you're working off a mental model of when i was a venge killer marked by wolf leader in a mash, then.... LOL ?

Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?

I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.

I don't rly think it's Stett tbh

What got you there bestie? You think your read on her is worth sheeping here?

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Enderwiggin

let's get somethin up past one tbh

ender i'd love ur thots on maple, sunbae, waza, and annika
@Arctic think of it as either me internalizing the verse from athena or me cheerin on the lil woofies for sport. YMMV

Maple is... weirdly spiralling in a way that feels abnormal for previous games. But idk if that's wolf or town so I've decided to ignore it for now and see what happens. Gut probably leaning towards town but it's not based on anything I have conviction in.

Sunbae is bae.

Waza is treating me how I expect him to do as town. We'll see how this grows.

Annika I want to wolfread but also I do that a lot when they're town in Turbos and therefore I'm ignoring my earlygame gut on her.

You I want to wolfread for the scattershot "see what sticks" approach but also you posted an Epic animatic and therefore you deserve to live.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Arctic

Actually lets start here.

[nebjiamn]

it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting

im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst

stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/

[waza]

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.



yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.



lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned



grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.



ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now



oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic

These are probs the players I’d want more info on

Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)

[didistetter]

well do you think he's a wolf then? if you don't buy he believes his post, then what makes you think he is just a wrong villager who we should let cook rather than a wolf pushing you rn? is it just because you don't think he's with waza? again i.. am not sure i like where we're going with these unpairing reads dictating your poe. if you have reason to believe people are wolfy then giving one the benefit of the doubt just because they aren't w/w may end up with some bad results

unless I vastly misread the situation he isn't pushing me rn.

Also i misread ladd p bad last time we played, so letting him breathe seems better. I can understand most of the bolded stuff he picked out in the multiquote, so one less genuine post doesn't bother me much.


my poe is 3 people and 2 zero posters.

thats... pretty bare bones.

Also i think you're town now, but if annika is town sunbae can be a wolf If you don't like the unpairing reads or w/e then fine, ignore my poe.

My ordered townreads are:
Lissa
nebjiamn
pzelda

Arctic
Visor
Taffy

Ladd
Maple

if that clears it up at all shruge

[Maple]

Ender is a villager.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

bro how does this dinosaur ass website have a fucking EBAY tag but you cant IMG= make it make sense

[EnderWiggin]

it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting

im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst

stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/

I mostly ignored it because I want to see more and I feel Taffy gets elimmed as town very easily over silly things.

[waza]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

[Lissa]

to be clear idk what this "dip reason" means cause idt i said anything lol but i posted and then went to go get dinner

i didn't like.. intentionally dodge anyone and wasn't avoiding convo

i just wanted the first post but also to eat

take that at fv indeed.

Waza i asked people who i thought were town. I'll care what ladd has to say about you once i have a read on ladd.

also we've literally never DMd about your wolfing style so im confused what ur talking about lmao. I said once in a turbo that you're more trolly as town, and you affirmed that. That's like... the extent we've discussed your meta.



i have to fight tooth and nail for trs as a wolf lolwut. People almost never tr me. I can't tell if like.... this is a genuine perception of me off turbos or something but it kinda feels like you're just sayin stuff.


not relevent to waza, but p#127 says exactly nothing, which is funny

yeah that part was like

confusing to me

we've talked about how like you have a hard time wolfing because of your towngame

idk that waza post just made me feel like I'm fundamentally not like processing the entire interaction properly and am missing something

Sunbae can be my bae for now.

I almost think this is like, pockety?

like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake

my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.

ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town

i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff

that's it

I think that annika post re: maple is actually a bit less villagery if maple wolf fwiw.

Pretty thin regardless but.