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[Sunbae]

I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there

[Lissa]

I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there

I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.

Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first

[Sunbae]

I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.

Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

[Maple]

who's neb

[Lissa]

re: arctic, I'm not sure what alignment he is. part of me thinks he'd be a bit more something as a wolf? like I mean he was openly talking about it in the thread with maple earlier w/r/t confidence stuff but that was also like already my vibe about him, that he was a confident wolf. and I'm not seeing confident wolf here lol

but I'm a little sketched out about his visor read. the thing re: comparisons to other games is like a real thing I agree is often wolfy/something wolves do but his collective read feels... reductive? almost cherrypicky? about visor's posting

Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)

villagery read lol

idk how serious I am about this but like a little bit anyway

ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.

yeah I think we have some similar issues with ~effective villaging~ and weirdly like after those last couple wolf games I wonder if I'm just a better wolf than villager now. It's interesting because WAY back in the day I did actually get nightkilled by wolves a lot more at a certain point in time, like I definitely had a string of getting N1ed/N2ed in mashes back in like 2016/2017 or something. and like

afaik my village game is widely recognized as good, people respect my village game/consider me a good villager. Like not a SUPER ELITE villager, but people view me as pretty competent, and don't get me wrong I don't disagree, but like. I can also see to some extent what about my play results in my Not Getting Nightkilled Early, but I'm not like, quite sure how to fix it lol. I've worked over the years on presenting confidence and stuff but something is definitely missing.

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

agree, agree, agree, gun to head agree just kinda off thread vibes

agree?

disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree

but as I write this out I'm kinda like uh

surely something's not right here LMAO

[Sunbae]

I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why

[Sunbae]

Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far

[Lissa]

Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far

well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf reads

and like

too many v reads for that to like

work

so uh

hm

thread feels really villagery imo

makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels

ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat

arctic is a weird one

[Sunbae]

nah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!

[Maple]

nvm i figured it out

yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh

editors note: I've been writing out posts in tabs, then going back into hte thread and reading then opening new tabs, then gluing all those tabs together to put out posts, and when seeing how this one leads into the next leads me to realize that this is really frickin dumb. Am I going to stop? Absolutely not.

editors note part 2: to be clear i figured it out before lissa explicitly told me in the thread IM SMART AND CAN REVESRE LETTERS

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

(hi we haevnt really talked muich yet cause well i just have nt been around yet but hiiii!!!! (okay the difference between when im trying to be articulate in my writing and im just writing shit is staggering wtf is this LMAO))

I think I could take your general v list, if not based on my own or sheeped convictions, but just off of not exactly disagreeing. I don't really have much of a rational but I feel in my soul that ender is a villager here, and rankly im too eepy to substantiate it in this post. I'm freeballing v reads on nl, waza and -- let's say for the sake of argument -- Taffy. I'm generally null on Lissa here, she hasn't really bitten into the game much atp, but her vibes have been good (I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)

I'm not sure what the remaining playerlist looks like tbh and no other reads immedietly sprung to mind.

Reading lissa's response to you, I see how she feels that way. I think generally people itg have been posting ~well enough. Which is sorta problematic in it's own way lol

Honestly, I've gotten this far into this post and im not really sure what the point is LMAO

[EnderWiggin]

I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why

The tragedy doth write itself.

[Lissa]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

[EnderWiggin]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

[EnderWiggin]

Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.

[EnderWiggin]

I guess this read gets to be blunted slightly by self-awareness from Lissa.

[nebjiamn]

Originally Posted by Sunbae
If I said:

**snip**

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic

disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree

mafia rule of 4 imo

[waza]

lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon

Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight

So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit

But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd

Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time

[nebjiamn]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon

Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight

So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit

But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd

Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time

brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp

if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today

[nebjiamn]

Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?

i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.

If you really want to then I can tryhard ig lol

What sparked this interest in you btw? Iirc in the signups of the game you said you were gonna be slanky, what changed? (It’s a welcome change and if more people were playing like you I probs wouldn’t need to play like the way I’m playing but yeah I’m curious)

no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.

nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.

Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.

@nebjiamn

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how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup

@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls

uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.

re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.

our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.

[Maple]

i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.

honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?

I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.

[nebjiamn]

honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?

I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.

opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).

so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me

[Maple]

ye i think that makes sense. you can create games with that unknown aspect being the entire central gimmick (for example, games which rand from a deck, or ones where you have alignment neutral flex slots) in general i try to get a general feel for things in that if on average people seem *good*, that means the lurkers are on average *bad*. Does that work well in reverse? eh...

idk if its just me but i ALREADY feel like the deadline is looming and it feels like i really ought to have a much better grip on the game atp especially if i wanna be able to coordinate anything resembling an effective wagon lol

[pzelda]

i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.



no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.

nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.



uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:



where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.

re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.

our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.

Ok, againto be fair I found the response. I missed it the first time.

[Arctic]

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

why are you townreading ladd?

i'm intrigued by how you are the only other person suspecting visor rn but you aren't alarmed by the gamestate sort of handing him out townreads for free