Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[dyachei]

Yeah thinking it over some, the Annika kill amplifies my concerns about benneh here. It maintains the status quo and removes someone who was fairly unlikely to go over. I'm guessing nl got a "no where" result on someone who isnt particularly helpful getting that sorta result on.

My money is on he tracked lissa.

So not particularly help, but not literally meowted either, in either case.

Thinking I was right about dya and waza wolves being fairly implausible. Think dya has posted well today and has been fine most days.

vote: ladd

but no

this still feels right

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

[Maple]

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

yeah you arent posting like a wolf

[Maple]

i think it *makes sense* that you would be sus of me, particularly the uh chronology of my eod yesterday

its just unfortunate timing, ultimately, but the rushedness and me trying to push into the game when it was sorta inevitable seem like things you wouldnt like

[Maple]

shrug im sorta posting like dogshit here and i recognize that

idk i need to sleep for 13 hours then maybe i'll be good to go

[nebjiamn]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

[nebjiamn]

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

[nebjiamn]

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

@didistetter @ladd @Lissa @Maple @dyachei @Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

[nebjiamn]

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper

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uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

[nebjiamn]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

[didistetter]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

i agree that your eod felt towny.

I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.

I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.

Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.

I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.

This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.

It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me

anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.

vote: ladd

[nebjiamn]

i agree that your eod felt towny.

I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.

I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.

Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.

I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.

I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.

It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me

anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.

vote: ladd

it sounds like we are nearly exactly the same in world views. i think something perhaps not immediately palpable in my posts is that i very much see the current world as somewhat of a diff check on maple/ladd but its hard to really want to solve the ladd worlds when manti is posting how they are/have been. their posts, paticularly eod1 at annika and how uncharitable they are. their direction at eod2 with wanting to cfd taffy and also kinda soft pushing arctic (while then claiming arctic town) and sussing annika.

but i agree that ladd is very concerning and idk if you'vpe read my take on his game or not but it pretty much is still there.

lets try to tackle this from another angle: we share the same currency but we're looking at two different sides of the coin. I don't think manti is lock wolf but help me see the worlds where you see ladd as more likely? i thinka lazier and/or wolfier me would probably be like "manti is a lost cause if town" but rather than ascribe those kinda connotations tell me why we should point the gun at ladd over manti today (and preferably without referencing mech)?

(ftr i wouldn't entirely discount them being w/w when I say i see them as somewhat of a diff check but i dont really care about that today, solving for teams is kinda meh with the vote logic that we have)

This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

stett you big dummy that post is like a continuation of your manti cop posting in bean, i am fully right to be freaked the fuck out by that shit lol

[waza]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

If Ben’s a wolf it’s with Stett

I don’t think this posts exists in w!ben and v!stett worlds most of the time, and therefore is either a genuine post or specifically designed by wolf!ben to spew w!Stett town in the event he flips

[waza]

Specifically because it’s a bit guilt trippy in a way I don’t think wolf Ben would be to town Stett. I could be wrong on that assumption, there’s nothing wrong if that is actually what happened, he’s just playing to his wincon.

Regardless I think they’re both probs town anyways, lol I said I needed a reads reset but I’m ending up in a similar spot to where I was before, idk if that’s a good thing or bad thing lmao

[waza]

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

@ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

[ladd]

@ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

Yea dya is like 1 of the last people id tinfoil, they are just a villager imo

[ladd]

Maybe i go back to lissa/maple, it keeps half of artic legacy and annika legacy of benneh v and fits better than maple/ender

I dunno, back to sleep for real

[Visor]

heres where i am at

i just dont think ender is a wolf

i get hes wolfy and shit and his posting aint the most inspired shit, but he feels like he is off on his own little island and i didn't stick up for arctic nearly as much as i should've so im gonna try planting a flag here

theres a nice post on page 4 or something when lissa enters and he just against the flow of the thread says, damn those lissa posts are kinda wolfy?

and its the kind of thing that is just an honest thought, if you're a wolf and you know lissa is v and people are in this game that read her well, you know that pushing there can be problematic especially when she is actively contributing - you waiut and see if people have those concerns there and then you just layer em on

i do have some concerns with waza being someone who noramlly takes a hands off approach early and then ramps up just failing to do that and kind of letting the village eat itself a bit but ymmv

i am gonna go out on a limb and say ladd is a villa, i think his reaction to benneh here especially shoot him into tinfoil range, plus all his early villa reads he gave out seems ok to me

i can definitely see a world where maple is a wolf, and im not gonna defend em or anything, as they alluded to earlier, they would absolutely target me as a wolf because they know i would defend them to eke out value etc.

but thats also the kind of thing wolf manti would set up as well. i do struggle with the fact that they just aint doing anything and their really narrow focus is a little pr-y rather than wolfy but they have been discussed to death and if they gotta die they gotta die i guess

in my heart i want benneh to be a wolf because if i can get there on arctic with v little time to play and being pushed by him, how the hell can benneh not come to the correct conclusion if he is v

his posting reminds me of his he set up tortuga grande to be killed by the village by framing the push in a way that removed his culpability and made it all about their fault and not his if they were village

it is a very blatant push to make though, and perhaps not necessary, but its the kind of thing that is hard to get my head around because it is so different to my pov that believing it to be villagery is a struggle

i do think lissa is a wolf, i think. i want to see what she says tomrorow, but i think she is where i want to push right now.

stett i think i am finally coming around on (lol)

pzeldas constantly changing reads are weirding me out a bit, but they change so much that they feel genuine i guess, but its often easy to have a good wolfgame after a long break so who knows there, gth lean villa for now htough

gotta reassess dya but thats a tomorrow problem hopefully