Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[dyachei]

@dyachei why lissa? I'm almost ride or die on Lissa being town.

I'm not voting lissa currently, think I'm on Taffy.

I think lissa can easily be paired with manti. I thought her initial posting was good and I thought villagery but i keep running into an issue where everyone else is townier imo and her pushes haven't gotten a wolf (Unless you include rask and I don't really).

[pzelda]

Ok, rereading d3 and I'm starting to think it might be the best to just go with Manti or Ender (or Taffy). Ladd had a good sod (and a solid second half of d2 tbh). I'm not 100% convinced but he just makes sense. I tried to avoid the default situation but after rereading and without tunneling waza it just makes sense.

I'm going with Ender for now as all of my reasons for townleaning him are kind of stupid.
Vote: EnderWiggin

So, who makes more sense as town Taffy or Maple?

[pzelda]

Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting me

I would say you have the least obvious town moments? Is this the change you were talking about few years back. I remember you wanted to make yourself less of an obvious n1 kill.
What do you think about my theory from yesterday or earlier today about at least one wolf within dya/visor/waza? I guess it should be easy to spot how I got there after locking benneh and lissa towns. But thb reading your reads from earlier today made me doubt my lissa lock a little. They're good. That's why I moved again. I don't know what I want from you. Maybe finding you every day is enough, if you're town. Esp if we get to be in some kind of lylo situation.

Also, you can talk about taffy a little bit. Would you consider them without the claim?

Btw, I'm almost sheeping you on Ender. That's how thin is the margin between voting someone and finding their takes really good in this game.
Maybe I want more spice from you? But rereading the game I get there's not a lot to be found.

[pzelda]

I'm not voting lissa currently, think I'm on Taffy.

I think lissa can easily be paired with manti. I thought her initial posting was good and I thought villagery but i keep running into an issue where everyone else is townier imo and her pushes haven't gotten a wolf (Unless you include rask and I don't really).

I think Lissa has townier posts than many other players. But I have to admit that her pushes and impact on the game are slightly lacking. That's a good catch.

[ladd]

I would say you have the least obvious town moments? Is this the change you were talking about few years back. I remember you wanted to make yourself less of an obvious n1 kill.
What do you think about my theory from yesterday or earlier today about at least one wolf within dya/visor/waza? I guess it should be easy to spot how I got there after locking benneh and lissa towns. But thb reading your reads from earlier today made me doubt my lissa lock a little. They're good. That's why I moved again. I don't know what I want from you. Maybe finding you every day is enough, if you're town. Esp if we get to be in some kind of lylo situation.

Also, you can talk about taffy a little bit. Would you consider them without the claim?

Btw, I'm almost sheeping you on Ender. That's how thin is the margin between voting someone and finding their takes really good in this game.
Maybe I want more spice from you? But rereading the game I get there's not a lot to be found.

I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active

Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes


To answer your question - taffy is way more likely villa than manti


In fact ill just vote:maple again lol i just dont think they are a villager, sorry if wrong

[pzelda]

Ok, in some way it actually feels good that so many players have been able to find each other. That we have a consensus poe. It might be wrong but it's quite short (2-3 players) and it forces mafia's hand at night. So, even if both Ender and Maple were miselims, we would get closer to solving the game and boxing out the wolves.

[Visor]

I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active

Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes


I feel that lol

[Totally not Taffy]

im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said

and some of hte setup spec he postesd

is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot

He doesn't need to set something like that up as a wolf, it's just as possible that wolf!Benneh misread the role of an afk teammate as that town!Benneh misread the role of a flipped wolf for over 48hrs. Shit happens. Surely you can find something more meaningful to read Benneh off of?

Also you haven't answered my question

Taffy (15)

[ladd]

Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool

I think they can self target just so they can defuse themselves if they get bombed

I really dont think taffy makes any sense as a wolf



Idk i personally wanna vote maple

But stett is voting ender and i promised id follow them blindly

But visor thinks ender v (ngl visor/ender w/w still in the back of my mind) and wants lissa and i kinds wanna give them this lunch after how yday went


Waza killed any tinfoil i had on them. Benneh last post is so weird

[Visor]

I'm fine to kill ender or maple

Neither have done anything and we are gonna keep going in circles around them until they die at this point

I still think Lissa is a wolf though

[ladd]

vote:lissa

Alrighty

[waza]

I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today

Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.

Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..

I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.

Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).

Bruh what

[waza]

Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting me

My reaction to his post on me there too lol

Are yalll absolutely certain we didn’t underestimate their wolf range?

[Totally not Taffy]

I think the wolfiest thing Lissa did today is express annoyance that I didn't use my kp last night. I'm sure wolves would love to see me kill a bunch of town. But it's not exactly damning. I was going to say "if there are three wolves left then Lissa can't be one of them bc she's the only wagon" but then I realised I was discounting the attempt to wagon me. It's still not really sitting well with me tbh.

Earlier when we had Ladd/Maple I was leaning voting Ladd bc I feel like town!Ladd should care more about helping me find Dyachei. But it makes zero sense for a wolf to defend me here I mean surely they'd prefer getting me misyeeted over using a NK on me and he can just... not.

In the same vein I need to retract my townread of Ender bc the jump between these posts

I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.

I mean I'm not against killing Taffy here because I think it's ~fairly likely she's 3p atm.

And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.

feels really opportunistic. Townies shouldn't hunt for neutrals until all wolves are dead and the game doesn't end. It's not that he's buying into Benneh's tinpot theory, he knows I'm not a wolf, he just goes from "I'm not considering Taffy today" to "well I guess if you're offering who am I to resist". But it's such a self-centred read I don't like basing a vote on that.

So I guess

Vote: Maple

Taffy (16)

[ladd]

Will try to stay awake as long as i can, but i may fall asleep anytime from now as an heads up

[Totally not Taffy]

Will try to stay awake as long as i can, but i may fall asleep anytime from now as an heads up

You should make your own vote before you go to bed and stop hiding behind Stett it's such an ostentatious way to avoid accountability yuck.

Taffy (17)

[dyachei]

unvote

vote: maple

i'm hoping to come back before EOD, but I'm pretty limited post wise anyway, I think

[didistetter]

Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.

I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.

The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.

regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.

I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.

[pzelda]

Bruh what

I'm not sure what your post is about but this is more of a response to myself. No, I'm not def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya. I came around on all of you. That feels both good (my quick takes and early impressions should hold some water) and bad (a lot of work only to find you again, possibly being wrong on one of you, my impression that at least one of you should be a wolf kinda felt good). But I have good or at least reasonable reasons to tr all of you. Visor not being happy with the stale thread state among other things, you not trying to look towny, ladd having some good posts and dya just feeling right, esp when reading them live.

[pzelda]

Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.

I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.

The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.

regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.

I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.

Ender is an ok kill and that's why I'm voting him. I guess it's mostly for being the least towny, which isn't such a bad reason.
I find waza's post about Maple being helpful. Them not being in their usual wolf or town meta might mean they're not town, but they also might not have anyone to play with. That could mean a possible lost wolf or a 3p or a small pack of two or their partner not really playing with them. Tbh I just don't see a Manti/Lissa pairing after them winning an MU game as wolves together last week.

[didistetter]

manti's role isnt lw or 3p lmfaoo no.

Unless it's exactly an invention bomber.

There is 0 use for a 3p that gives out tracks and JKs. survivor inventor 3p would be terrible role design

[Visor]

I'm here, for the most part

[pzelda]

manti's role isnt lw or 3p lmfaoo no.

Unless it's exactly an invention bomber.

There is 0 use for a 3p that gives out tracks and JKs. survivor inventor 3p would be terrible role design

In a mash giving a gift to every faction as a win condition would be cool imho. But You're right that inventor makes more sense as either a town or a wolf role.

[pzelda]

I wouldn't mind more activity. I'm on my way to bed and in roughly the last six hours nothing happened. Nothing to comment on tbh.
That's my biggest struggle with voting Ender or Manti, @ladd. It's almost as if mafia were happy with the state and towns are just inactive.

I think Benneh is the only player out of posts.

[Maple]

honestly annoying as fuck im getting voted here but i know i have basically no legs to stand on here

fwiw the circumstances that're causes my drop in acitivity are basically resolved so like i can be active from tomorrow on but like seeing a lot of momentum on me already idk how much that means to yall

[Visor]

Still rather kill lissa

[Lissa]

Play out like what? Neither of you actively voted rask until he was a three person leading wagon

He was already dead at that point, you just pushed him off the cliff

I mean it just wouldn't have happened like that if we were the other wolves, the leadup would have played out differently.

[dyachei]

Still rather kill lissa

I need a vote count

[Lissa]

Well the way I see it is there was info

The info was taffy’s posts, and people who were pushing there had issues with their posts and claim (ie ladd and Arctic). A Wolfy slot with a Wolfy claim still has wolf equity, so by those principles taffy should be vote worthy despite the claim.

That’s essentially what happened with Arctic, you viewed his posts and Wolfy and his claim as Wolfy.

The two situations are fairly similar in principle , they just happened on different days.

Seems extremely reductive

Very different situations fmpov

A d1 claim from a wolfy player vs a d2 claim from a wolfy player with more details and very wolfy things specifically about the claim

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1529

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Lissa	EnderWiggin (19), ladd (35), waza (33)
2	EnderWiggin	didistetter (28), pzelda (43)
2	Maple	Totally not Taffy (17), dyachei (37)
1	waza	Visor (42)
1	ladd	Maple (31)
2	Not Voting	Lissa (16), nebjiamn (50)