Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[ladd]

sure it wasn't like LOCK TOWN or anything, but you certainly didn't seem like you had compunctions about him d1

and then you didn't even read his posts of substance d2 self admittedly lol.

I mean d1 and d3 is very different - d1 was super hard getting reads and i was mostly shooting from the hip with so little going on and no flips

Whats fine on d1 doesnt carry the same weight on d3+d3 u have jan wolf flip, etc..


(No need to answer this)

[Raskolnikov]

I did Visor (3 hours of my life ruined)

[Lissa]

i did read it

idt i responded to everything i meant to in general tbh

but i took stuff from it into account in how i thought about things

i have some concerns about ladd i'm just kinda trying to like

words are sorta hard unfortunately the entire window of time i planned to actually do stuff in this game and felt fairly clearheaded to basically got nuked (and the rest of the time i was itt for a few hours before then wasnt really thaaat much better, site wise) so i lost the thread of like a bunch of stuff i wanted to read again and say and interact with and do and bleh

particularly i took a lot of your ender thoughts into account developing my own thoughts

jfc there is 6 minutes left in day i sorta lost track of time

i get it re lack of confidence sunbae is wolfing forsure

i wanted to dig into both sunbae and ladd today much more than i did frustratingly

[ladd]

I am ngl i think i only read the pargraph about me lmao

[Lissa]

there is a reasonnnn i said that line about like being afraid of a sunbae ladd hellworld tho lol

ladds read on you and play around you today sorta weirds me out in a few ways

[Raskolnikov]

I am ngl i think i only read the pargraph about me lmao

You did well, it was the best written lmao " a kernel of truth surrounded by shit to be thrown at (...)" amazing

[Lissa]

just frustrating i lost the whole main window i was gonna do shit today lol

whatcha gonna do ig

i think gth my villagers to win the game are raskol, visor, ender in that confidence order

mrg

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 937

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (24), Raskolnikov (36), Visor (58)
1	Visor	ladd (35)
3	Not Voting	Lissa (53), Maple (14), Sunbae (29)

Maple dies.

[Gemma]

Maple was:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Town Vanilla
You are Town. You have no abilities. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

At the time of their death, Maple had the following items:

Poisonous Bomb
You reflexively poison anyone who kills you, unless they have an Antidote.

Night 3 now, submit actions 1 hour before deadline.

[Gemma]

Apologies, I was busy/semi-afk through EoD and Maple's flip was incomplete. Fixed now (above)

Also note that Day 4 will start at the usual time (ie night is 1 hour shorter)

[Gemma]

Raskolnikov died. They were:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Town Vanilla
You are Town. You have no abilities. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

At the time of their death, Raskolnikov had the following items:

Antidote
You cannot be poisoned.

Antidote
You cannot be poisoned.

Antidote
You cannot be poisoned.

Gun
On this Night only, you may kill the player who gave you this.

Day 4 now, glgl


Livelist
Visor
Sunbae
ladd
Lissa
EnderWiggin


It's F5 so votes are locked.

[Lissa]

well

I gotta do some rereading again. was hoping to die over rask

anyway, ftr I had the n3 parting gift. I holstered because it was a possible autoloss if maple was v and I hit a wolf for... what seemed like not a ton of upside? unless I had a super super strong non-consensus v read to use it on and even then

how did rask have three fucking antidotes lmao

like he had to get exactly knights antidote, waza n0, waza n1 lol or some portion from somewhere else somehow

[ladd]

Ill vote sunbae or visor

@Lissa let me know which one you prefer

I dont have access to pc but from my recollection ender/visor is a very weird fit so i guess that makes sunbae always a wolf

Visor is honestly so wolfy to me that i struggle to not think its just sunbae/visor but i guess sunbae/ender also has some equity


The wolves wincon is probably mislunching me and its why rask died over you imo

(I guess the villager in ender/visor/sunbae is also mislunchable but prolly easier to go for me?)

[Visor]

Well karma has a way of coming back I suppose, nearly broke my ankle on the way to work this morning

Nothing to do but laugh, sorry rask, sorry maple

Game ain't over till the fat lady sings though.

Ladd, can you please walk me through your thoughts on sunbae a bit more

Lissa, where are you at on ender

Ender, talk to me about Ladd and sunbae

Sunbae can you talk to me about how yesterday went down and where you are at rn

I will have time to reread tonight, but I'm onsite this week so won't be around much till then

Mention me if you got any questions and I'll get to them then

[Sunbae]

I will not be available until late tonight.

[Sunbae]

Note: swinging by again to say I have *thoughts* but I am not going to voice them yet. I either want the hammer or to vote first and I don't care which but I don't want to tip my leans either way yet.

What I will say is that I believe eod2 is the key to this game and think everyone should reread it. At various points all of Lissa, Ladd, Visor had voted Jan there and Ender has claimed a Jan kill there so someone is bussing (two of you are but you can't know that). Reread that with that in mind and determined what doesn't fit.

Secondly, read through Cape and Waza during that eod2. Their insights will be valuable.

[Sunbae]

Thirdly, I am taking the time to give myself a pat on the back for my growth in being able to play a werewolf game without letting it bother me when I do poorly. I would of course like to have been playing better but it does seem my reads were bad this game. I'd like to blame the awkwardness of eod and how staggered everyone was causing it to be a mostly isolated experience but really sometimes you just play bad. There will be lessons to be had on this one but my days of "oh naur this is awful i suck waaah" are long gone and it's a nice realization.

[ladd]

I am gonna be real, i have been in 2 f-x in my life as a villager afair and both times i voted super early (in one i snapvoted in my first post)

The temptation is strong in this one too, i wanna vote visor so bad even if sunbae is prolly the objectively correct vote

Just think visor is like always a wolf based on posting. If i am wrong sucks to suck

[ladd]

Ladd, can you please walk me through your thoughts on sunbae a bit more

My thoughts are:

- he fits as a wolf d1/d2, i dont mean it as an offense cause god knows my game here hasnt been pristine either but he def pushed villagers and had no contribution in the single wolf death so far

- d3 he posted well, i think the way he came to me/rask villa was good and correct and in general his solving spurt looked good to me

- unless you and ender are wolves together, he is still a wolf. I gotta refresh my mind on whats the odds of that and if yall are really as not w/w as i remember

Cause tbh based on posting wolfiness i think id go you>ender>sunbae if i just ignore everything else

Tho i realize lissa thinks exactly the opposite so uh oh

[ladd]

I guess the crux of this game to me is if its possible visor/ender are w/w or not


But i am going out tonight and dont feel like re reading so that will have to wait until tomorrow sorry


If there has been no vote, 50% i snap vote when i wake up

[Sunbae]

2nd drive by:

It would be super swell if Visor and Ladd crossed because I don't think Ender/Lissa are paired (eod2 lissa vote by ender). Then Ender can vote Visor and Lissa can vote Ladd and i can be lack claire and we can spend the rest of the day working it out from there.

[Sunbae]

As Ive thought about the game today I've kind of realized that I think our avenue to winning is me lack clearing myself via hammer mechanics because everyone seems to have me as their second wolf and therefore even if we vote right today we're probably in danger tomorrow. It's a bit of a hail mary but I do think this is winnable still (just more so if I get to hammer)

[Sunbae]

Essentially I think it is the mechanically correct thing:

- I think from your pov I cannot be w/w with Ender given his claim of the Jan kill, everyone believing it, and me spending half the day questioning it and then pointing out how he went from Jan/Maple wolf reads to voting Lissa over Jan and Maple.

- I think we can all agree Lissa/Ender makes the least amount of sense given Enders vote on Lissa at eod2 to make it 4-3


Which means from your povs the wolf pairs are (ignore yourselves in these):
Ladd/Visor
Ladd/Lissa
Ladd/Ender
Ladd/Me
Visor/Lissa
Visor/Ender
Visor/Me
Lissa/Me


The only path that doesn't contain either Ladd or Visor is Me/Lissa and you are all villa reading Lissa (and frankly if its me/lissa Im also not bringing up her push on Jan and talking about how much it worries me to be a bus so you should toss that too but w.e).


Given you also both wolf read the other it makes the most sense to start from there.

So, my goal for the first half of this game day is to somehow - with absolutely no credit to my name and having voted nothing but villagers - convince yall to listen to me and give me the hammer. If we can do this I can be clear and we can turn this game around to a much more favorable position.

Will I be able to do so? Im uncertain. It's ... the kind of villager-pilled audacity I normally see only people like Maple get to pull off so im gonna channel her the best I can.

[Sunbae]

My request is that if this is not agreed to then let me vote first tonight when I return (late overnight).

[Sunbae]

knights: sunbae is a wolf
Cape: sunbae is wolfy
Waza: sunbae is wolfy

Ladd: sunbae is wolfy
Visor: sunbae is wolfy


Me, channeling maple: I want you to ignore all this and instead give me the hammer

[Sunbae]

If it helps, this line sounds too absurd to be from a wolf who is in perfectly fine position?? suspected but people saying they are gonna vote someone else

[ladd]

I dunno about giving u hammer but i am down to vote visor

I doubt ill ever be able to get over him being a wolf anyway

[ladd]

If it helps, this line sounds too absurd to be from a wolf who is in perfectly fine position?? suspected but people saying they are gonna vote someone else

I mean so far only i have said who id vote

Everyone else could lean voting you (lissa/ender def seemed to w read u)

[Sunbae]

I mean so far only i have said who id vote

Everyone else could lean voting you (lissa/ender def seemed to w read u)

yeah i know, im grasping at straws. trying to convince myself more than yall lmao

[Sunbae]

ok im out again. my return will be overnight. if a wrong vote happens before i get back, gg was fun/tough. if not then we'll game when i see you again