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    In absolutely classic fashion I've got badly sick and will no longer be disappearing to see Beetlejuice stageplay tomorrow. I'm gonna try to sleep and actually have a working brain.

    Once again irl conspires against me for ww lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    In absolutely classic fashion I've got badly sick and will no longer be disappearing to see Beetlejuice stageplay tomorrow. I'm gonna try to sleep and actually have a working brain.

    Once again irl conspires against me for ww lol.
    unfortunate, feel better soon friendo

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    hope you feel better ender

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    It is true that I'm harping on the same things but that's because I believe those are the main keys that get to the correct answer.

    1. I believe my day 3 and day 4 is a clear cut case of a villager who just got a good chunk of information sorting through the game and changing their world view based on it. You can also see that it's not just a 180 out of nowhere but instead is someone taking in new information, adjusting some reads based on it, trying to fit those in with the previous strong reads, realizing it's hard for those to all exist, work through the possibilities required for those to all exist, decide they are unlikely, and then sorting through things again giving more weight to the new information and letting go of the earlier held beliefs. I had my strong Visor v read, realized that Ladd and Rask are likely villagers based on the new information of cape/waza/jan deaths, tried to find the worlds where visor/ladd/rask were all v such as lissa/ender wolves or maple/ender wolves, and then eventually came to the conclusion - with help of listening to my strong villager read of ladd calling lissa v and dead villagers cape/waza calling lissa v - that lissa was not the solution. So I landed on Maple/Ender on day 3 and when Maple flipped V and rask died V I went through the game again and determined the wolves were likely Visor and Ender evident by my voting Visor and telling Ladd I was snapping Ender the next day. It is my belief that this is just not something a wolf can replicate. Pieces of it? Sure. The entirety of the process laid out in order? No.


    2. Jan giving a gun to a villager when all the wolves need is for maple to be chopped at any point for the win otherwise is just never happening. I sniffed it out as soon as it happened, latched onto it, and just never shut up about it. I have a bunch of posts talking about it because it never made sense to me. If the wolves are me/jan/visor then all we need is one chop out of maple, ender, or rask in that game state (ever! not just the next day! we can chop jan and then maple and win!) and giving the village an extra kill makes zero sense for us. Once you confirmed that you could holster it I latched on harder because I thought "why wouldnt they just give it to a wolf and not shoot, idk" initially but knowing they didnt have to submit at all made it clear to me. It was a major factor of the majority of my solving from that point. Maple/Ender. Lissa/Ender. Visor/Ender. It all circled around that and even at this point with all the talking about it there has still been no explanation that makes sense for why Jan would give a gun to a villager. There are plenty of reasons you'd give one to a wolf though if you think it will make ender look good while visor has two people pocketed and you can cruise to a maple into me/ladd/rask chop. It also makes no sense for Jan to give the gun to a villager who was suspecting him, which Ender said he was doing.


    I have hammered these two things over and over again yesterday/today because I think they prove that both I am a villager and that Ender is a wolf respectively.

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    as somewhat of a mechanical aside it did occur to me just now that there is a possible upside of giving it to a villager, the possibility of a poison bomb, though that does have less value if it's not on a clear and a wolf is hit in the f7 and a villager can use the item and die but obv poison is possible and whatever its just a bunch of speculative layers

    also worth remembering the odds of a bomb being hit by jan (which he did) so he could (and would) have been poisoned anyway

    a villager getting poisoned and not jan makes for a mylo but its a pretty specific combo

    still feels higher upside to just holster and take the consistent normal mylo, though i guess since jan can get poisoned it isnt actually

    meh feels like a bunch of kinda levels

    will say bury and claim the shot is the most variance reducing choice, even if jans a bomb you can claim antidote in theory prob

    will finish rereading soon just a sort of half awake thought i didnt rly wanna forget even tho idk if it gets me anywhere

    it feels like a lot of levels re the odds the wolves played mechanically

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa View Post
    as somewhat of a mechanical aside it did occur to me just now that there is a possible upside of giving it to a villager, the possibility of a poison bomb, though that does have less value if it's not on a clear and a wolf is hit in the f7 and a villager can use the item and die but obv poison is possible and whatever its just a bunch of speculative layers

    also worth remembering the odds of a bomb being hit by jan (which he did) so he could (and would) have been poisoned anyway

    a villager getting poisoned and not jan makes for a mylo but its a pretty specific combo

    still feels higher upside to just holster and take the consistent normal mylo, though i guess since jan can get poisoned it isnt actually

    meh feels like a bunch of kinda levels

    will say bury and claim the shot is the most variance reducing choice, even if jans a bomb you can claim antidote in theory prob

    will finish rereading soon just a sort of half awake thought i didnt rly wanna forget even tho idk if it gets me anywhere

    it feels like a lot of levels re the odds the wolves played mechanically
    third sentence makes no sense nvm that bit lmao jans dead that world

    but 2:5 but really 2:4 if someones poisoned but

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