Can Generals be reformators?

**Mulceber** · 11-03-2008, 18:53

I've got a libyan general who's sharp/charismatic/vigorous, has >2 influence and is a popularis. Is it possible for him to be a reformator if he gets the >2 command and the "consular" trait? -M

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 11-04-2008, 00:32

I don't think generals can get senate offices (any more), so no. Even if they could get offices, the script might not see the generals as a trigger for the reform, anyways. I'm not sure.

**Aemilius Paulus** · 11-04-2008, 00:46

You have to adopt him and the chances of a plebeian getting the consular trait are almost nil though. You need a lot of influence and quite a bit of command to be a consul. I am sure you have generals with better command and influence, and so the office of consul is going to go to them, not your Libyan General.

I have plenty of adopted Client Rulers as well as Mercenary Generals and most of them have ten influence with about 3-5 management and 2 command on average but only two of my adoptees held any public offices. My most notable one, a 6 command, 10 influence and management started out as a Mercenary Italic General with a couple of negative traits as well as with Plebeian, Dull/Charismatic/Vigorous, Unselfish/Pessimistic(!)/Loyal base traits. By now he is a Plebeian Tribune, Plebeian Aedile, Censor, Aedile, Praetor, Quaestor. He is also nobile and a member of the eques (he also has the very wealthy trait). And it has been only 5 years since I have adopted him! I'll have to see if he becomes a Consul - that will be a pleasant surprise for a dull, mercenary general, plebeian!

Do you really lack anyone better than the Libyan general? You have a general that you start out with that has sharp/charismatic/vigorous - Lucius Cornelius Scipio. if you put him in a city with Temple of Ceres, he has a good chance of getting the Popularis trait and if you send him off to battles he will get enough influence and command to be a consul. Then he could be the reformator. In my ongoing romani campaign, he's my reformator actually.

EDIT: MAA beat me to the posting, but he's right - you have to be a family member to attain the offices. You'll have to send the Libyan general into field battle and hope that you have enough territories (its actually the territories : FMs ratio, according to which you have one FM per 2.5 territories) to trigger an adoption request.

**teh1337tim** · 11-04-2008, 02:20

ahaaha....once my greek general i recruited in taras.. got the trait plebian and had sharp charis everything.. perfect traits for a augustan reform in the year 198BC...

guess what his name was... Titus Octavian Caeser...

**Valion** · 11-04-2008, 05:43

How do you get mercenary generals? bribing rebel FM?

**Mulceber** · 11-04-2008, 05:48

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

I don't think generals can get senate offices (any more), so no. Even if they could get offices, the script might not see the generals as a trigger for the reform, anyways. I'm not sure.

hmm are you sure? Because my libyan general as the "senatore" trait, and has held the aedileship and quaestorship (iirc). Though you may be right - the script might not let them do it even if they do fulfill the requirements.

"How do you get mercenary generals? bribing rebel FM?"

When you develop your native MIC buildings to the proper level, a few of them allow you to recruit Hellenic and Libyan mercenary generals. -M

**Valion** · 11-04-2008, 05:54

Ah ok... do i have a better chance of recruiting them in type 3 or 4 governments?

**LordCurlyton** · 11-04-2008, 06:04

Only Type IV with a L5 Regional MIC. Also, I have never once had any of my generals offered to be adopted in EB, even the ones that went on campaign.

**teh1337tim** · 11-05-2008, 01:13

5 of my generals got consular :P so why not lol especially my octavian.. he has 6 stars 10 management/influence....

so yes merc generals count!

**Aemilius Paulus** · 11-05-2008, 01:48

Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

I have plenty of adopted Client Rulers as well as Mercenary Generals and most of them have ten influence with about 3-5 management and 2 command on average but only two of my adoptees held any public offices. My most notable one, a 6 command, 10 influence and management started out as a Mercenary Italic General with a couple of negative traits as well as with Plebeian, Dull/Charismatic/Vigorous, Unselfish/Pessimistic(!)/Loyal base traits. By now he is a Plebeian Tribune, Plebeian Aedile, Censor, Aedile, Praetor, Quaestor. He is also nobile and a member of the eques (he also has the very wealthy trait). And it has been only 5 years since I have adopted him! I'll have to see if he becomes a Consul - that will be a pleasant surprise for a dull, mercenary general, plebeian!

Wow, just this morning I was playing EB, I hit the Next Turn button, got to the next next turn, checked the Faction Announcements scroll and behold - the exact same mercenary general I was talking about in the abovementioned previous post became a Consul! What a coincidence!!!

To Mulceber: You're right. I just checked some of my Mercenary Generals as well as Client Rulers and it turns out that many of them held the offices of plebeian tribune, aedile and quaestor.

To teh1337tim: That's amazing! Is there any chance you could post a screenshot of him and his traits?